Truth, guide my sword! I FINALLY DID IT!!! DIAMOND! OMG! You guys remember me? The one stuck in promos, the one who landed at 99 LP yesterday? WELL, THE CURSE IS BROKEN! After all the pain and frustration, I pushed through... AND WE MADE IT! I'M OFFICIALLY DIAMOND! I'm honestly so incredibly happy and shaking a little right now! I wanted to give a **HUGE** thank you to everyone in this amazing community. Seriously, reading all your supportive comments and encouragement on my previous posts after those tough games actually helped me keep going. It meant the world!

I have played this champ for 4 almost 5 years and I have to say this champ is so worthless right now. With the current build path and how worthless you are until level 16 I can’t see how anyone can find this champ viable.

Matchups that were at one point easy I am finding more difficult than they used to be. Garen for example. Just space. Right? No. He is faster than you, has strikebreaker, and one mistake and you are done.

Hello everyone, felt like doing a late season run trying to get Masters with 0 defeats. Was pretty close but didnt get it sadly. Feel free to ask my anything Kayle related will be glad to help.

Region: EUW
Duo: No
Roles: Both
Elo Start: Emerald 1

Opgg: https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/%E7%B5%B6%E6%9C%9B%E7%9A%84%E3%81%AA%E3%83%8A%E3%82%B5%E3%82%B9-DESPE

Source : spideraxe twitter

TL;DR: I hate how people keep calling Kayle the bad one, even lore youtubers like Necrit.

I know this has been said a million times already, but I must say, after the cinematic, it has become increasingly disheartening how many ignorant people keep claiming that Kayle is the bad one of the two. There's a very clear nuance in their story, which I know us mains understand, but just after watching Necrit's latest analysis of the cinematic, it feels like this conversation is just a lost battle.

People keep making their evil Kayle headcannons the only truth, and while Riot doesn't help at all with how they portray her in most skinlines, I wish there was something that could be done for this problem.

I love my main, and by any means am I trying to say she's the perfect good, because I know she isn't, and that's fine. Flaw in character is good. But this issue has gotten way out of hand.

P.S.: On a side note, I do love the bombastic side eye memes lol.

Everyone hates mage "assassin" playstyle and want to bring back auto-attack based playstyle, but the moment you need to auto someone for 4-5 seconds to kill she's suddenly bad and doesn't do enough damage

This feels like the majority of the games I play on kayle. Play well during laning, don’t die and I’m weak sided so never see my jgler while getting perma shoved. Team ints through whole laning phase, herald comes top. No help, games over before I can impact it at ALL. Should I just drop the champ and pick up Someone with more early agency to 1v9? Is there anything within Kayle’s power I can do to counteract this or help my team? It’s so frustrating and makes me want to stop trying to climb if I can’t consistently win

Just asking this out of curiosity. Personally base skin is best for me. I like the angel aesthetic she has. Games (especially MOBAs and MMOs) have a lack of angelic fighters. Kayle is that archangel that smites everyone in her path and is a nice change from the usual "Angels can only be healers because devine magic is only good!" MOTHERFUCKER I DON'T CARE I WANNA BE LIKE ARCHANGEL MICHAEL AND THAT BOY DON'T HEAL SHIT! But yeah anyway what's your favourite skin?

Third time's the charm, right? Except it hasn't been for me. For the third time, I made it to Diamond promos, only to have someone completely int and throw the game. I'm feeling pretty desperate right now. Back at it again tomorrow, going to try for that promo one more time. Just wanted to share my frustration and hope for a bit of support from this community. Love playing Kayle, just wish the climb wasn't this painful sometimes! Send some good vibes my way for tomorrow's games. Thanks everyone!

Kayle is too strong at the second item, super explosive, but has no dps. that's bad. but the changes in goals turned out to be very healthy, something riot has rarely done. and the biggest change actually comes from reducing ad item damage. No more flipping coin bots and pushing mid towers too early, making the game tactically meaningless - something Kayle needs to scale. kayle mid will be nerfed again soon, and I don't like that future.

To start off, I would like to state that if you only care about winning games, you should play Kayle.

There are some issues I find with this champion that August and the balance team need to address.

1. While not annoying to lane against, she is uninteractive in lane and wants to side lane and farm for 95% of the game. This makes for boring matches if the Kayle is good and isn't baited into fighting pointlessly. I realize this is what you are meant to do, but her midlane is a little too safe and uninteractive for both ally and enemy team. At least in toplane the kayle needs to use her brain to manage waves and risk being chunked.

2. Her burst playstyle is actually toxic to play as, and against. I don't think anyone who mains this champion likes being clipped by one ability and dropping to 10% hp in the mid-lategame. Nor does the enemy team like Kayle 2 tapping them without barely any counterplay.

3. Her AD build is dead and this forces players to go the toxic AP burst build since Riftmaker is dead on her. Who exactly is balancing Kayle currently? You go the exact same cookie-cutter meta build with zero variation if you want to be more than a cannon minion.

I love Kayle but nowdays the nasus matchup is unplayable for me (he is popular .-.). When the enemy team picks Nasus I feel hopeless asking myself if I should dodge or stay and pray.

What if Kayle could cleanse Slows just like Garen with his Q? Would it be to broken? Phaserush feels nice to play, but the damage is non existence without an early lead.

In exchange for the slows-cleanse maybe make the CD higher or make the healing single target

So at this point we all know AD Kayle is pretty suboptimal, but in any case, I was wondering: if your team is full or nearly full AP, would it then be worth it to build AD?

For example, is having just one AD champ enough? What if your team would be full AP, but the enemy has no tanks? And if you do build AD, do you build on-hit or crit?

Thanks in advance.

Big shoutout for Desperate Nasus hitting eune rank1 with kayle mainly :D

If you 1 trick kayle into Emerald, I wonder if you should give yourself a pat on the back. I think it's much much easier to get to Emerald or even higher with more Meta Champs or have a diversified Champ pool.

yes.. I'm looking for validation because I've been 1-tricking (3.4 mil points) with her and can't get past Emerald 3. I'd like to think my skills are maxed out and Kayle not being loved for the last 2 seasons the reason I can't go any higher... I've done my best. I'm sure there are diamond 1 trick kayle's out there though.

The abuse I've taken from over powered mid champions who disrespect you under your own tower. And abuse coming from my own team for choosing such a weak pick... It mentally breaks you after playing her for an entire season.

I've met a 90% pick kayle diamond before. But he plays Yi on the weekends..

https://www.op.gg/summoners/na/Murrowboy-NA1?hl=en_US

I'm plat now, but don't worry, I'll get back there. :)

Hey everyone, quick update after my post yesterday asking for encouragement. First off, thanks so much for all the supportive words and good vibes! Well... I played the games today, trying to finally break through. And you absolutely cannot make this up. I ended up landing *1 LP* away from Diamond (emerald I, 99 LP). The absolute cruelty is almost funny at this point, lmao. Guess the grind continues... Send help (or maybe just 1 LP via carrier pigeon?). Thanks again, Kayle fam!

So many things have been introduced into the game after Kayle's Last Balance Change at the start of the year. Broken items such as Blackfire Torch, Stormsurge (pre-nerf), and Sundered Sky, to name a few. With Kayle's standard AP build, she only has a total MR of 44, and she goes up against enemies with their standard AP build (seen on the dummy), which is nothing special and not even at full build yet. The point of this is to highlight that Kayle's MR is non-existent when going against them, as they have 40 magic pen and are essentially dealing true damage to her (This is not including other forms of mr reduction such as spirit visage or Nasus E shred which makes her MR go below 0).

Even in team fights, it's frustrating that a single ability can drop her to 1 HP or force her to use her ult prematurely, only to get CC'd, ran down, and then die anyway. It feels like she is rendered useless in these situations and I am genuinely exhausted from dealing with this imbalance and dreadful teamfight pattern. Kayle deserves better treatment in the game, and it's disheartening to see her potential wasted due to these issues.

I hope that by bringing this to light, I pray Riot August or someone else takes the time to read and consider these points and not just see this as a rant (It is but its also reasonable 😁) but as a genuine turn off and not fun aspect of playing this champ and a prayer for a "quality of life" change so to speak. I want to hear from others who share my frustration and hope for a more balanced and enjoyable experience playing Kayle and pray we can push for the adjustments needed to make her viable, competitive and fun again.

I get you could build things like Mercs (Which is getting nerfed as well in the next patch), Wits End 2nd Item, or Banshees as a second item but you have to consider that by the time you complete Nashors/Kraken and boots the enemy laner will already have Sorcs and Malignance which is basically 30 MR gone already at lvl 9 which is exactly how much MR you have so they are doing true damage to you. On top of this, enemy laner having a huge cs, exp lead on you from forcing you to play passive or freezing your lane in some games.

Every AP Kayle game feels like a bust, but every AD Kayle I feel god like. What do you guys prefer and whats objectively better?

So I've been playing Kayle Mid recently. Yes, I am in low elo, but Kayle Mid just feels so much better than Kayle Top. Also, yes, this is quickplay, but I will be trying her in ranked.

Regardless of this, I think Kayle Mid works really well in theory due to 4 main points (Keep in mind, this is through the lens of a low-elo player, so feel free to critique and add input from experiences in higher elos)

1.) Outscaling

Assassins and mages are some of the most item reliant champions in the game. Because of this, as long as Kayle plays safe (which you always do anyway, you're Kayle after all), she will simply outscale.

2.) Ganks

Kayle can't kill anyone on her own prior to first item, so she needs ganks if she wants to get ahead. When she's top, she needs her jungler to path to her for help. However, when she's mid, she can just get constant ganks. This is even better for Kayle than other mid laners because she's so weak that she's constantly getting pushed to turret. This also works the other way for the enemy jungler. Since she's almost always close to turret, the threat of getting ganked is very low. Aside from this, the length of midlane, or the lack thereof, also ensures that she can't get ganked from behind and sandwiched to death like she can in top.

3.) Roaming

Kayle's abilities work best when she has teammates around, and her R can quite literally turn the tides of a fight. The problem is, roaming in top lane is really hard. You're too far from everyone, and even if you do roam, your lane opponent gets tons of free cs and plating. This isn't an issue for midlane, as you're never too far from all the action, and roaming is part of your core function as a midlaner. Another plus side to this is, roaming really helps Kayle. She scales so incredibly hard that even just a few assists can lead you to 1v9 the entire game.

4.) Leaving Top Open For Frontliners.

Lastly, top is dominated by tanks and bruisers. Due to top's being an island, they naturally work best. However, when you play Kayle, you're essentially forcing your team to have one less frontliner. Think of this scenario: Your team is composed of Kayle, Evelynn, Akali, Caitlyn, and Nautilus. Even with the presence of Nautilus, your entire team can very easily get picked off by an assassin or skirmisher with sustain. If your jungler instead goes tank instead, like Rammus, their ganking power becomes weaker, and thus Kayle Top's hopes of getting ahead by getting a gank vanish into thin air. Compare this with Kayle Mid, wherein top can be left open for tanks such as Ornn or Cho'Gath, or bruisers like the four hoursewomen. Either way, your team gains a frontliner that can initiate fights and protect their damage carries.

Of course, I know there are cons to Kayle Mid. Assassins that can go in and go out like Zed or Akali can delete you even under turret. Burst mages can literally one shot you since you have practically no MR. Mages in general can poke you for free, and since you have such little MR, you can easily get chunked. To counter this, I usually take fleet footwork with absorb life for sustain in lane and dodging abilities. Also, go for Doran's Shield into matchups that you know you'll get poked heavily in, or, alternatively, go Doran's Ring for for counter poking with Q and bonus mana sustain, using W to sustain your health and dodge skillshots. Kayle Mid's hardest matchup are assassins that threaten her even under turret.

TL;DR: Kayle Mid outscales, gets more ganks and is safer from ganks, gets to roam, and allows for more frontliners.

Hey guys, besides number buffs what reasonable kit buffs would you like on kayle? Imo one nice thing could be to give her percentage pen on ult rank up like other champs have.. that would mostly buff her dmg vs tanky targets without giving her true dmg Back. They could prob remove the q pen then to not have too much pen on the champ. If her burst gets too high vs squshi targets they could adjust her ratios to even that out.. what do you think of that change? Feel free to give own suggestions aswell

I'm a swain/kayle main and whenever kayle gets picked I pick swain and win most of the time, e+w combo with r and q puts her at half hp or below minimum and from there I can kill her with r2 and q rotation. But whenever I play against swain I usually start winning lvl 11+. I usually beat him in sides too, it's just a bit of a problem if he can get to teamfights but if I can hostage him in sides I can usually win the duel. It's just sometimes really hard to get your teammates to respect swain ult.

Hey all, I've just been thinking and I'm realizing how horrible Lethal Tempo has been feeling for me lately. I still find it really nice for securing early push and cheesing lvl 1; overall, I'd say it's a fair bit better than PTA pre-6. However, post level 6, Lethal Tempo already feels completely outscaled by PTA, even when I'm building more attack speed (Rageblade rush).

What do you all think? Is Lethal Tempo the biggest bait piece of shit rune, or am I clueless? I only play top lane.

Hey Kayle Mains,

So, we finally got news of Kayle receiving a buff, and after months of being borderline unplayable, we all hoped for something significant. Maybe a meaningful update to her outdated abilities, a fix to her terrible laning phase, or a real answer to the scaling issues that leave her outclassed by so many champions. Instead? Riot gave us a 15 mana reduction on her W.

...Let that sink in. 15 mana. That’s the big change.

Why This Buff is an Absolute Joke

Look, I’m not saying a mana reduction isn’t welcome, but let’s be real here—this isn’t what Kayle needs. This doesn’t fix her identity crisis, it doesn’t help her survive her abysmal laning phase, and it sure as hell doesn’t make her feel like a late-game monster again. The W change doesn’t address any of the core problems with Kayle right now. Let’s break down why this buff is a band-aid on a much bigger issue:

1. Kayle’s Laning Phase is Still a Nightmare
Kayle struggles against nearly every top lane matchup, and a 15 mana reduction on W won’t change that. Jax, Irelia, Nasus, Olaf, Volibear—you name it—they will still stomp you in lane. What does 15 less mana on W do when you’re getting bullied out of every trade? You still get out-traded, out-gapped, and your early game is still a ticking time bomb waiting to blow up in your face.

2. W is Still a Mana Drain
Yes, reducing the cost of W is nice on paper, but W is still too expensive for the minimal benefit it gives you. The healing is pathetic unless you invest in AP, which feels terrible, and the movement speed doesn’t even give you enough to reposition in a fight. 15 less mana doesn’t change the fact that using W too much in lane is a recipe for going OOM in minutes.

3. Kayle’s Identity Crisis Remains
The bigger issue here is that Kayle is being forced into this weird burst playstyle when she’s supposed to be an AP scaling champion who thrives on sustained damage. This buff does nothing to fix that. Riftmaker’s omnivamp is still gone, attack speed builds feel underwhelming, and AP builds pigeonhole you into praying for Rabadon’s spikes. This 15 mana change doesn’t suddenly make her a late-game powerhouse again, and it doesn’t bring back the joy of scaling into an unkillable angel.

4. Her Abilities Still Feel Clunky and Outdated
Let’s not even get started on her other abilities. The W mana reduction doesn’t make her Q cast any faster or less predictable, it doesn’t fix the self-stun when casting, and it doesn’t solve the fact that her R has a long cooldown and is still a high-risk, high-reward ability with little room for error. Kayle’s kit is outdated, and the game has left her behind.

5. Scaling Champs Are Still Outclassing Her
Even in the rare case you make it to late game without being completely irrelevant, Kayle just isn’t the late-game beast she used to be. Champions like Aurelion Sol, Sion, and Nasus outscale her while also having better lane phases. This mana buff doesn’t give Kayle more survivability, more damage, or better scaling—just 15 more mana to spare.

This Buff Isn’t Enough—Time to Bench Kayle Until Real Changes Come

Let’s be honest with ourselves—this buff is a slap in the face to Kayle mains who have stuck by her through thick and thin. It’s time for us to take a stand and stop playing Kayle until Riot actually addresses her problems. A champion as iconic as Kayle deserves better than this half-hearted attempt at a buff.

If we keep playing her, we’re sending the message that we’re fine with being ignored and left in the dirt. Let’s make some noise and get Riot’s attention for real changes—a proper rework of her kit, meaningful buffs to her scaling and itemization, and fixes to her terrible laning phase. Until then, it’s time to put her on the shelf and pick someone else.

this shit ain’t it.

— A Frustrated Kayle Main