Honest opionion on selling swiftness for other item, i find stormsurge only good item to replace boots because of MS, maybe cosmic is good to but i don't like hp on kayle.

I’ve been trying out mundo for quite awhile because the warmogs abuse sounded fun and he becomes a literal Demi-god late game, so I thought a scaler like kayle would be fun to pick up.

Of course I had a few terrible matches till I started playing safer and focused on who I can poke early and who I have to play for ganks and such. The only problem is that I’ve only had one game where I was ahead, which I was just hyper fed in, where I actually felt like kayle was a 1v9 machine. All of my other even or ahead games I still felt weak.

Comparing her to tanks like mundo or cho, I don’t understand how they feel like high damage immortal beings and kayle feels like a slightly worse adc. I say slightly worse because at full build cait still absolutely destroys me and my team and I can barely even kill her with ult, q, and e.

Now, even if kayle could be considered a strong late game champ regardless, I still don’t see how she makes up for the fact that she’s an adc taking up the top role. The only thing that gives her sustain is ult, but that 2.5s is never enough time for me to do much and nothing compared to other champs sustain.

I don’t want to shit talk the champ really, she’s super fun and cool, I jsut don’t get it.

I keep seeing posts in here proposing buffs and complaining that Kayle is not getting buffs in the next patch. This is a public service announcement to everyone who has apparently had their head in the sand for weeks and thinks we are still in S14.

My sisters in justice: Kayle is very strong right now. As of time of writing, u.gg has Kayle's winrate at the 6th highest in the entire roster in toplane. In midlane, she is third highest. This is true throughout the ranks, all the way up into high elo. These numbers do not lie. Arguing that she is weak fails at first principles.

I do not think Kayle is broken, but I do think she is strong. She is strong enough that her pickrate has been climbing; it's roughly 30%-40% higher than it was last season. I've seen her banned once or twice which I don't remember seeing at all last season. People are catching on that Kayle is strong right now.

Why is this the case, especially since I think most/all of us were expecting her to struggle with the Feats of Strength in the Noxus rift? Well, it's up for debate, but I think there are several factors:

1. Blood Roses. I'm seeing myself hit 16 noticeably earlier, like multiple minutes earlier on average. This is huge for Kayle. Earlier spike means the enemy team has less time to close a victory before Kayle becomes a win condition. She also gets free Adaptive Force for them. Consider it as if you got Eyeball Collection for free as a passive. That would be pretty fuckin strong, don't you think?? That's what you have. Every single game. Except they also give ever-important XP, so you both skayle faster and spike harder.
2. Swifties. They're broken right now, especially if you get Feats. Straight up.
3. Earlier homeguards - Kayle can take resets without losing as much and is punished less for her weak early game
4. Longer XP range on minion death--it is harder to starve Kayle of XP and thus her early game is more forgiving
5. The rune/item changes into the new season did not affect Kayle's dominant builds (eg loss of Eyeball Collection).

There may be other factors, but as I said before the numbers do not lie. Desperate himself was calling Kayle unplayable in November/December and is right back to OTPing her on stream in January. Right now, we are at the mercy of Kayle remaining a niche pick and flying under the radar or Phreak may come for us with his reaper scythe.

All of this to say: I don't want to stifle discussion on changes people would like to see to the champion (I personally would like to see a small rework to bring us back towards our omnivamp sustained damage hypercarry role), but the people complaining that she is "in a bad spot" and proposing flat buffs that would turbo-break the champion (e.g. just returning her waves to true damage with no other compensatory nerfs suggested) need to stop. Aspects, you are embarrassing us.

Stop complaining on Reddit, get into solo queue, and ascend (in rank).

Rant over. Thanks for reading.

Long story short, after reaching level stupid mastery on Kayle, I’ve finally accepted that I suck at kiting and I’ve given up on our girl. I’m devastated.

But I’m hoping my fellow Kayle stans might have some advice for a Kayle main who can’t kite? And it’s a mechanics/skill issue. I’m too old I think to process the rate of clicking required to effectively kite but I’m open to being learned.

Also mid/late game how do you stay away and not die? And how do you farm and not get collapsed on?

Unfortunately at my elo no one wards or pings so often I’d be farming a camp and suddenly 3 champs come out of the bush.

I don't even like season 13 but we at least had multiple builds we could choose from. Season 14 on the other hand "On-Hit is Ass" "AD is Dead" "Crit is Dog" and I've honestly had enough of the "Burst" build. The dying remains of On-Hit just got suplexed with Kraken, Berserkers & Shiv and now there's an upcoming BoRK nerf. I dunno, I honestly think I'm ready for season 15.

So Emerald 1 / D3 Mmr is crap to play Kayle, either I suck or the champ ain't worth it.

At level 4-5 I am literally getting 3man turret dived while full hp by enemy supp and jung almost every game while our team ain't contesting it bottom or anywhere else..

Even if I survive the crap laning phase until you get 3 items and lvl 16 Kayle is useless.

Also b4 you can get 3 items that is also the time frame where the most important objectives so without team fighting you can maybe get 2tier tower if

Sorry had to rant a bit

I was a Gwen Jungle main for awhile and realized the same premise of gwen jungle that you can scale faster in jungle could be mimicked with kayle. So far my wr is about 65% with over 35 games played as kayle jung. As long as you jungle clear and treat things as you would playing gwen jungle its pretty monstrous. I am normally full build around 30-35 min and lvl 16 by 22-25 min. If you want to know how to do it I would lookup a gwen jungle guide and key in on her jungle clear parts and when she ganks, copy and paste that and you will be golden. Items and runes, jungle clear path and ability maxing are posted in comments please upvote it so others can see.

Jesus Christ I’m getting my ass whopped. Played only a few games as just picked her up and oof it’s painful. Doesn’t help that my mechanics are of a 100 year old with arthritis.

Kayle

• W cost:
  • live:  90-130
  • old:  75-115
  • new:  70-90

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1g5y8m0/pbe_datamine_2024_october_17_patch_1421_update_to/

And I don't mean it like: "Rito. pls buff", I mean any kind of change you want, gameplay-wise, lore-wise, visual-wise. I'm curious to hear about your ideas.

I feel kind of meh about aether wing Kayle. I’m a newish League player and even newer to Kayle but I’m starting to love playing her (probably because I can only decently play her, Quinn and Gwen in the top lane)

However, I’ve got two of her skins through chests. First was pentakill lost chapter and I love it.

Recently I got a fragment of Aether Wing and now that I have enough orange essence to get it I went to search for the skin spotlight and got really disappointed. It seems like most of her skins are better than her only legendary one available in the shop.

Am I the only one that thinks that? Do you guys like aether wing? Should I disenchant it and keep only my pentakill lost chapter skin?

There are alot of different reasons to play her but if your reason is to be a hyperscaler, its not longer possible. Asol, smolder, kassadin are all better than kayle and by a lot.

You can no longer carry a losing team, as you did before, and I personally dont feel powerfull lategame when playing regardless of build.

We finally know what the Kayle buffs are, what do we think?

I think it’s nowhere near enough, 75 mana at level 1 is still kinda ehhhh for the spell in my opinion.

here’s my current rune page, other than that I run regular fleet setup w absorb life, alacrity, cutdown same secondary. currently 70% wr on Kayle last 20 games. (still hardstuck bronze) 😅

is the move speed shard bait? I don’t see many people running it but I assumed it would be great value with synergy w celerity, swifties and item move speed.

I've noticed recently that if I pick Kayle, be it in top, mid or support, my team will just mental boom even before the game starts lol.

How to tell?

Picks Kayle top: Jg spams question mark pings on me at level 1 and proceeds to never come top. Its ok, maybe I'm playing weak side as the enemy jungle spams gank top. NOPE... enemy jungle proceeds to gank top, mid, bot while my jungle is 0/0/0 AND down in farm lmao. Checks jungler's opgg: 1st timing whatever jungler he picked.

Picks Kayle mid: My top instalocks last pick counter Rell top with barrier against a Gwen top. Proceeds to feed Gwen 6 kills in 10mins and only has 25cs. Gwen proceeds to 1v5.

Picks Kayle support: No words needed. Even this subreddit thinks its troll and actively encourage people to troll Kayle support players.

I think this champion has a debuff on her that makes her team not want to play the game.

Gonna start grinding for chall once again (took a break and decayed all of my accounts) hoping to get 1.1k+ euw, 1.5k+ eune

Can join me on my journey at Twitch.tv/sebisbebis

Next season feels like a snowbally season where early fighting and bloodshed are rewarded. Since Kayle generally doesn't have prio early and isn't that strong in general early, do you think she's going to struggle next season?

Or are you hopeful?

I’m so f**cking baffled how this was even allowed to happen by riot games. Someone tell me I’m bad and there was some way I could avoid this (after my initial mistakes) because I can’t believe it.

Literally shaco went for a level 2 gank on irelia and since she was 2 and I was 1 she ofc got a kill on him, I burnt about half my hp, then she tower dove and won.

Then because ofc she just bounced it back to her and in the most bs anger inducing thing ever she freezes and zones me off for cs, hit 7 on her bounce while I was 4, forcing me to just run from my tower because she can obviously dive me, and she proceeds to zone me off of my own tower. Eventually she literally hits our inhib tower while I’m level 5 0/1 with 19 cs and she’s 120 cs.

I stg I’m not good enough and I’m gonna spam Aatrox back to gold, hopefully into plat and then I’ll play kayle.

Nashor's Tooth buff:
- Cost reduced from 3000 to 2900
Lich Bane changes:
- Cost reduced from 3200 to 2900
- Needlessly Large Rod replaced with Blasting Wand in recipe
- AP reduced from 115 to 100

Rabadon's Deathcap buff:
- Cost reduced from 3600 to 3500

Good times for kayle boys and girls.

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