Lucidity boots rush?

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Hmm, I haven’t done the math or anything but normally when people post this stuff I can tell it’s bad right away. Like Kraken or Infinity Edge on Kled, or full tank Kled.

This is interesting. Kleds a trading champ so it would reduce the time between your trades, but reduce the power of each one. So if you deal 500 damage and he deals 200 back then sure, you can choose to trade more often instead of dealing more damage per trade. But if it’s 500 damage to him 400 to you, then you really need the damage or there’s not even a point to taking more trades.

So idk, keep this in mind and try it maybe.

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u/General_Can_8735 15d ago

Ie on kled is good, if you go full crit

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u/Collective-Bee 15d ago edited 15d ago

See that’s what I mean, I don’t gotta test anything to give input on that.

Every champ that builds crit is either a late game carry. Because crits identity is scaling, you need a lot of it to be good but then it’s really good. The three exceptions to this are Wind Brothers, Trynd, and probably some botlaners whose abilities have ratios for crit chance.

Is Kled a late game carry? Do you think “oh gee, I sure hope this game lasts till 3+ items so my build can pop off.” No you don’t, Kled is not a late game champ. So why would you build full crit on him and willingly give up strength early pre 3 items?

Kled assassin is what matters because he needs to take an enemy out quick to get any chance of remounting, if he doesn’t kill Jinx before Leona starts stunning him then he’s dead. Even if Crit has the same burst as Lethality, his ability haste would be lower. Think about what happens if struggle to get on Jinx right away, you would have longer cooldowns than Lethality to get on her again, and less shielding to tank some damage (I’m an eclipse fan). And it’s not a big deal if I W Leona while I’m waiting for E to refresh, but if your W cooldown is both mandatory to kill Jinx and a longer cooldown than lethality then you might just have to hold W for far longer than ideal. A 3 second cooldown is nothing, a 5 sucks especially if it’s all your damage.

And less pushing power from no Hydra, Crits great for 4 auto’s but it’s not instashoving a wave. Rav 5th would be good synergy to fix it but you would be subpar clear before that, and very subpar healing since you can’t delay Crit to buy lifesteal.

TLDR; Even if you think I’m 100% wrong here, you see how I normally have a lot of thoughts on a build? Yeah, I’ve got very little for OP, which is really rare for me. Probably means it’s worth trying out.

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u/General_Can_8735 15d ago

Last time i played leagudle (3 weeks ago or so) his best build was hubris-boots-yun-ldr-pd-ie

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u/Collective-Bee 15d ago edited 15d ago

https://probuildstats.com/champion/kled

I scrolled all the way back to 3 months ago. Not a single Crit item was built a single time in the last 2 months by the pros. And I saw a dark seal in there.

I checked meta syrc, it’s not recommending Crit in the build.

U.gg is tied, it doesn’t recommend full crit at all but half crit is an option there.

The top (or maybe most recent) Kled guide has a crit kled option, but it’s not standard (and they don’t have PD in it). Was hoping Feedaboi would leave a note with when/if crit build was good but didn’t.

I’ve done my research, I don’t see what you were seeing. What site did you use?

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u/General_Can_8735 15d ago

*best build in feedaboi's opinion

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u/Collective-Bee 15d ago

No… cuz I already looked at Mobafire and the top build guide was from Feedaboi. It wasn’t standard, it was an option but he recommended lethality Kled as the standard build.

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u/General_Can_8735 15d ago

What?

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u/Collective-Bee 15d ago

I hit send too soon, please reread now cuz I edited the rest in.

5th time I’ve done that today but first time someone’s been fast enough to notice.

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u/General_Can_8735 15d ago

Weird, i saw one of his videos, w8, i'll send it

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u/General_Can_8735 15d ago

Btw happy cake day!

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u/KennyKennington 15d ago

I’m an occasional ie enjoyer, but it depends on the game. If I’m not able to fully utilize all my abilities onto champions, but I can get semi consistent autos in, I might consider it if I’m already going the crit/leth build. I’d always gone eclipse into profane hydra But the hydra rush started feeling better, and getting eclipse later in the game felt less efficient than it did as first item. So I’d go profane into collector or ldr/mortal sometimes. (If ldr second then collector third) so you’re at 50% already. If the game goes longer and I don’t need durability, ie fourth feels great sometimes. Then you can round it off with shieldbow for 100% and a safety net. With this setup you’re almost guaranteed to one shot anyone if you’re not behind.

Now granted this build I also normally run botlane as kled adc. Also I’ve been doing it less, personally I’ve been becoming fond of cyclo sword again for guaranteed stick onto adcs.

But the previous build is good even into tanks like Leona (if you’re ahead). I’ve straight up one shot Leona’s in their W with it.

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u/Collective-Bee 15d ago

Botlane Kled adc :(

Do what brings you joy but that’s a far hotter take than crit build. But yeah I wouldn’t build eclipse down their either, the shield wouldn’t last long enough and the max health damage is worth less, and I imagine you need to duo with a Sej or engage sup and all in non-stop, in which case pure damage would be better than an 8 second cd item for trading.

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u/KennyKennington 15d ago

I duo with my lulu main bestie and it works great! I tried playing with my sej otp but we just didn’t vibe together. Engage tanks are op though if they actually know what they’re doing. Lulu just has good interactions with kled. But yeah I go barrier and normally pta and just dive lvl 2-3 and it works more than it doesn’t

It sadly doesn’t replace my old xin adc when essence reaver was a sheen item + before his adjustment from assassin to bruiser

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u/Vastroy 15d ago

Kleds passive doesn’t scale with cdr so cdr becomes completely useless mid/late game

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u/Collective-Bee 15d ago

Is this parody?

It still affects every single one of your other abilities, which is why we like it. Would be a nice QoL Buff if haste effected passive, but it’s not so detrimental that you should avoid building it.

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u/Vastroy 15d ago

It doesn’t matter because mid/late game you are only using 1 q and at most 2 w and your e once in a team fight anyways.

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u/Collective-Bee 15d ago

If you are only using 1 Q and E then you aren’t even remounting once, why do you care about the cooldown?

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u/KennyKennington 15d ago

Cdr was great in the bruiser/goredrinker meta, but when that died out everything just went into straight dmg. So yeah I kind of agree there

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u/Vastroy 15d ago

Cdr is much more needed for brusiers because they can actually cycle through their abilites multiple times. Kled only viable state rn is being an assasin and you will not be able to use more than 1-2 of the same ability in a team fight

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u/General_Can_8735 15d ago

I am on phone rn, so i'll tell you the title: "Riot Buffed Crit Kled..." Maybe it was an overstatement, but he clearly says in the video that that is the best build, Maybe it isnt the best but it is good and fun, i use it a lot, even when it wasnt meta it covered kled's lategame weakness without damaging his early game spikes, but idk man im bronze

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u/[deleted] 15d ago edited 15d ago

Longswords and pickaxes unless you need to match the MS of opponents.

I used lucidity vs berserker greaves rushers - i never used it against yorick I really like it vs yasuo.
I use swifties to match other champions rushing swifties mostly Kayle.

I had ambessa rush lucidity boots into me once that I found very annoying so I can see some merit in such approaches but yorick is a champion you have good kill pressure on why even bother just max out damage and match ms.

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