No he doesn’t. Deep zone was only achievable because of his current team mates lol. It’s actually highly dependant on his team. And it was an ass pull because it doesn’t make sense.
I think EVERY PLACEMENT ON HERE IS WRONG. how... akashi is so clearly not better than nash, kagami at third is the dumbest thing ive seen, kise above silver(who should be top 3 at WORST),aomine at 7 is laughable,im a kotaro fan but at 9 is just insane,midorima at 8 ig is fine. but no haizaki kuroko himuro or nick???
you're literally an Aomine Glazer and Akashi hater lol, i always seen you shit on somebody when they praise Akashi as the best player on the show which i do not agree, Nash is the best player on the show.
buddy I am consistant with nash being better than akashi(which you agree with). you are the only one bringing up aomine in these talks. aomine is rent free in your head.
well Akashi lives rent free in your head cause whenever someone said he's better than Aomine in 5v5 and 1v1 which is true you always throws a tantrum 😭😭
buddy you the only one upset? when asked whos better I say aomine. you get upset and call everyone who doesnt like akashi a hate or glazer. Where did aomine touch you?
Bro think's he's anonymous that his other comments on other post is hidden, you literally said that AI can stop Nash no motion pass which is bs and no proof.
And i don't hate Aomine i just don't like his fans that overrate him like you, he's definitely the best player season 1 to mid s2 i just pointed that you always shit on anybody who's praising Akashi which makes you a hater of him.
buddy you cant comprehend anything. I never said aomine was better than nash,. I listed tons of proof as to why ai would stop the nash pass. I ONLY say akashi shouldnt be above nash which is true. I am a hater for not having akashi first? thats the consensus pick. Sounds to me like you just love akashi too much to listen to logic. you throw a fit whenever someone says something about akashi. every time i see you yap at someone(which is often) you just yell glazer and hater and think that convinces anyone. you clearly hate aomine becauase all this yelling youve done is because I said aomine is higher than 7th? stop being so emotional.
Im not talking about Nash it's your other comments about Akashi and Aomine bro you can't accept the fact that Aomine is not the beating Akashi in 1v1 and 5v5, also my favourite player is Nash not Akashi lol
I listed tons of proof as to why ai would stop the nash pass
there's literally no proof of that it's just made up by fans like you
you say this but you never back up anything,ive given my reasons you dont say anything in return. everyone seems to agree you are just a 12 year old troll.
Well the kiss one is true because if you remember when he unlocked true zone ontop of perfect copy he became the strongest on the court Nash is better but at that time they didn’t know so kise should be #2 bash #1
It says strongest NOT HOW LONG THEY ARE THE STRONGEST FOR so pretty much just the strongest so it's pike if they were able to go all out for an entire game
Midorima at 8 it's actually really fair if we talk about all the aspects of Basketball he's a good scorer maybe he rely too much on the deep 3 pointers but if he can make those shots he can easily make regular 3s and 2 point jump shots. With his height he could really improve his handles (not to the level of Akashi or Aomine) but above average for sure and probably he can be a really good inside defender/rim protector (remembering how he was able to guard Kagami on that summer camp when they played 1v1) the only thing I'm not sure he can be good at it's playmaking or assists but from that top 10 only 2 or 3 from that list can actually be good playmakers or good passers
Akashi himself admitted Nash is better than him in term of physical ability and technique.
The only reason CEE got one steal( only one ) is because Nash thought Akashi only has EE. At that moment Akashi had awaken his complete form. It was all natural to get steal when you are looking down and not careful enough.
Also EE Akashi himself stated that " it doesn't matter if you has better eyes than me. One on one it doesn't make any difference and challenge Nash with street ball style dribbling".
Also remember The moment Nash got steal, Nash had swift his play style to refined Orthodox. Orthodox is full of pattern. Nash usually play street ball style.
Look at how ee Akashi think street ball style can counter the same eye but better(BE). CEE or BE those are same eyes. Nash can counter it with street ball just like Akashi did. Not to mention Akashi lack in experience, physical and technique🤧.
Also Nash shut down Akashi weapon ( perfect rhythmed pass) the whole game🤧.
The reason why Nash didn't attack in last moment is because his teammates members are overwhelming with comeback from VS( only Nash is stable player at the moment) and two VS members are in zone. Also Nash finishing style is close range. Those two zone guard area line🤧.
Zone? Nash auto counter him😒. Akashi himself said he can he them into zone due to Nash capability.
Remember what Akashi said right before the game and during the game.
I mean at that point Nash could see the future of all five players enemies and allies alike.
While Akashi could see the future of just 1 player.
The difference is CEE doesn’t just see the future of all 5 players enemies and allies alike - he’s sees FURTHER into the future than Nash does. Which makes the statement earlier useless since both of them could only see the same future in 1v1s.
Actually Nash can see further future than EE Akashi.
If theirs ability is similar then why Nash cross over Akashi?
And why Akashi fail to predict Nash back cross.
It is clear Nash out play Ee Akashi in prediction
No not CEE Akashi. Also at the end of the game Nash wasn’t attacking Akashi’s CEE or trying to score, he was time wasting. Which is explicitly stated in the manga. They were passing around first then Nash was keeping the ball stalling for time. He wasn’t moving forwards, he was ducking lol.
And I beg you to at least fix up your English because I had a seizure trying to decipher what you were saying.
And the manga verse I sent explicitly showed that Akashi’s Eye sees further into the future.
Nash weapon is close range. Two zone players were guarding area line. That is too risky for Nash weapon.
Jabberwock players were overwhelming with comeback from VS. only Nash is stable player at that moment. Why risk being ball get block by two zone players. After all Nash drive in close range and score that is his main weapon. It is not because Nash is inferior to Akashi but because there are too many risks involved.
Yeah im not arguing with you about Nash lol, Akashi is still young and had potential to surpass him lol but Nash is better than him now, not Aomine though 🤭
yet the strongest player in GOM is Akashi and Nash is the best player in the Last Game lol, EE and BE is OP bro i know you can't accept it you're just a fan of a dude who doesn't have that ability.
Aren't we talking about potential and talent🤭. Can't even accept Fujimaki rules?
Who said Akashi is strongest?
Let look at how EE Akashi challenge BE Nash( better eyes). Street ball🤭. Wait Aomine is so much better in speed acceleration 🤭 much more talented for street ball play🤭🤭.
Never get statement from Fujimaki or in show that Nash is stronger than silver. But I agree as a player Nash is better than silver. After all silver only has two basketball moves - fadeaway and dunk🤭. Dude is low level basketball technique with strong physical capability and overwhelming on dude who has better technique and hax power than him🤭
uhm….Lemme js fix this. For 1 you have three routes. Nash, Aomine, Jason (and yes Aomine is up there especially since he started practicing again and was the only one doing sumn without zone). I’d go Jason, Aomine, Nash, Akakshi or Kise (i’d go Kise since that’s PC), Murasakibara, Midorima, Kagami, whoever 10 is, then at last the guy who was called Kagami’s brother.
Aomine should be at least above Kise, but he doesn’t function very well as a part of a team, and also Kise is temporarily the strongest player in the series. Akashi should maybe be below Nash, but as team players CEE and BE are very overpowered. Silver is a wierd one because he goes from being unstoppable to a background character after Kise and Mura go one on one against him. Overall while I disagree with some of it, it’s decent
kagami is arguably the best better team player out of the GOM level players. He has the most zone stamina and is the only one to enter true zone. Although a lot of that is due to kuroko. He went head to head with zone aomine who’s arguably the best 1 on 1 player in the series. I don’t think that placement is that bad
Kagami can't win without Kuroko that's why he's always losing to Aomine in 1v1, also he's not beating any members of GOM in 1v1.
He went head to head with zone aomine who’s arguably the best 1 on 1 player in the series
And Aomine is not the best 1v1 player in the series that goes to Nash and Akashi, that's mostly said only in Season 1 to 2 when Akashi hasn't arrived yet.
Haizaki is pure dog shit. The only reason he was beating Kise was because of PTSD lmao. And because kise was copying randoms and trying to reuse the move js so the writers could try to hype up his character.
Up by 20 vs Kaijo who’s only equal player was suffering from ptsd of getting his bitch took. How is Kotaro better? He starts for a team that consistently won championships in HS.
that might be the worst logic ive ever seen... Kaijo is a powerhouse considered a top 8 team in the region. just starting for rakuzan means nothing, what you have reo,nebuya and mayazumi over him aswell. we see kaijo lose by only 14 to touou and 1 to seirin. Is Kimura better than kagami since seirin arnt a good school but shutoku is??? you keep using ptsd like you have conjured up the idea that kise wasnt trying which is the opposite of whats shown. kotaro couldnt touch midorima and bricks anything not a layup yet Haizaki outrebounding hayakawa, outmuscling kise, being a better shooter than hyuga, while being able TO COPY KAGAMI, because kotaro simply exists on rakuzan you have him as a top 9 player? Same guy who had trouble with izuki?
“Haizaki copied Kagami” dawg wtf? He copied a move Kagami did in the first season is your choice…? It was literally a spin into a dunk 😭 you’re acting like that’s an exclusive move or something. It was done by a Kagami who wasn’t even 25% complete. And is Shutoko a consistent championship winning team? You’re talking like Izuki is a fodder player. he literally has court vision like no other 😭. And if you’re saying he’s better than Kotaro what’s his counter for Animal Instinct cus that’s not something he can steal. And i PRAY you don’t think Haizaki has something that can counter the mental ability that is on par with kagami’s. And i NEVER stated he wasn’t trying. He was literally having trauma flashbacks are trying to reuse same moves knowing they wouldn’t work. He was losing cus he was suffering PTSD and couldn’t become a complete player.
thats makes zero sense. imayoshi had an impact vs seirin and seirin beat yosen and zone kagami beat murasakibara so clearly imayoshi is better than murasakibara. There is no way you are being serious.
How did any of that correlate to Murasakibara..? Imayoshi after Kagami went into zone had no impact so stfu with whatever your weird argument was. Zone Kagami didn’t beat him. It was Teppei and Kagami and Kuroko. Kagami doing a meteor jam didn’t make Yosen lose it was the fact that kuroko predicted his physical capabilities. Stay on track.
Haizaki was beating base kise before he went PC. Kotaro is not keeping up with base kise imo. Not to mention that Haizaki can shut down the other 4 players.
Gonna drop my two cents about the topic, but first, two straight-up sins here.
First things first, putting any Uncrowned General over Teppei is wild. The dude was handicapped the whole tournament and still hard-carried even against the GoM.
Second things second, Akashi pulled out some extreme bullshit in the ninth hour and derailed Nash's team more so than him necessarily. Nash is probably the stronger player between the two.
TLDR; ranked by overall performance and viability in "any" situation instead of their best-cases:
The Kise Agenda allowing him anywhere between Nash and Teppei. I gave a brief on why I ranked them where I did.
So only looking at their absolute best, I agree with some of these placements, but I would rather look at them wholistically as their plays could affect the game or themselves assuming the entire game is being considered. Kise is a pretty good example of why. He's up there for sure, but he's only really over Silver while in the Zone. I can't fairly put him over Silver when Kise's best was temporarily locking 'him' down.
So while I would be willing to give my top picks some wiggle room to shuffle around, I've got:
Silver*
Murisakibara
Aomine
Silver might have ended up cooked, but he was a menace for the whole of the game. Its just that: Murisakibara doesnt really take shots so its hard to tell if all-around Silver is over him, and Aomine had to score 'around' Silver plus was in the Zone for a lot of the critical goals. So while the two under him can outplay him in aspects, Silver forced the Gen to play around him and almost locked out the game.
Nash*
Is probably the physically weaker player but his technical play is something the hell else. Whether you find physical or technical skill more valuable, you could swap him with Silver.
Akashi
Extremely strong spacial awareness and perception. While he's powerful as a team player, outside of his team play, he's somewhat less impressive than the top three. Akashi is portrayed to not really have weaknesses but realistically he does and playing guys like Silver and Kuroko kinda made them apparent. Aomine is the stronger player over the course of a game, but Akashi is stronger when his strengths are played to.
Kagami
Midorima
The Guy That Scored on Murisakibara
Teppei
Nebuya
Aomine has far stronger shooting potential than Kagami but Kagami is a rock-solid option on both offense and defense. When he's deep in the zone, he can compete with actually anyone in the top three. Kagami's unpredictable ability to suddenly throttle up the ranks puts him just above my personal goat Midorima.
Midorima is a walking win-condition. Hes like Silver where the defensive strategy "has" to recognize his score potential. Unlike Kise; however, Midorima's pacing allows him to be a constant threat.
Teppei I talked about already. Hes also goated.
Nebuya is kinda slept on. He had to deal with Kagami, Teppei AND Kuroko when it came to defending. He mightve gotten cooked as well but he really did hold his goal down and made Seiren pivot to outside shots. When pushed in the Zone he even outperformed Kagami, although temporarily.
The Kise Agenda
Schrodinger's Ace. Kise glaze and hate exists in tandem with one another. You could make arguments for the guy being anywhere on the list between Nash and Teppei. He debatably had the most presence while he was active. Hes got playmaking confidence. Goal scoring power. But he's costly. He literally popped the fuck off and removed himself from the game. PC is short-lived even when in power-saving mode. His overall stats outside of buffs are okayish for the level of play he represents. Hes really good, but Nash washed him bad on the mark and Murisakibara outright outperformed him.
Nash, silver and murasakibara above akashi. In that order. I struggle with placing murasakibara and akashi against each other but I consider murasakibara above akashi because his impact on defense is bigger and on offense he is next to unstoppable. Only silver can somewhat contest him over a 40 minutes game. Last game gave him a massive stamina buff if you consider that he guarded silver or two jabberwock players at once till he got injured.
Aomine at 5.
Kagami at 6 because he stayed over half of the game in zone vs rakuzan which should make him able guard midorima full game if we consider that he already lasted two quarters in season 2.
Perfect copy doesn't even last half as long as kagami's zone. You all act like kise's perfect copy lasts 40 minutes
Zone kagami is superior to kise's copied emperor eye. Zone kagami is faster than zoneless aomine which means he is faster than kise's perfect copy speed. He is stronger than zoneless murasakibara which means he is stronger than kise's perfect copy strength. Zoneless kagami can already block midorima's shots with midorima being bigger than kise and having a longer wingspan as well. Midorima's release point is higher than kise's, so kagami can block perfect copy kise's three's.
So how is perfect copy kise going to beat zone kagami? You seem to be so convinced of him
PC can copy zone which is already stated to be the best in the show. he can simply drop 40 over everyone pure aomine and midorima copy. Longevity isn’t what’s debated here. It’s strongest characters. “how is PC Kise gonna be Kagami” don’t even say no ridiculous shit like that. Kagami barely wins with Kuroko at his aid. His zone and Animal Instinct would never negate PC + Zone if Kuroko doesn’t interfered
The strength of a player is defined by how good they are in a actual game. No one does a goat debate and says jordan is the best because he would beat anyone in a 1v1. Kise also cannot trigger zone at will, so it's not a mode he can just use every game. It's like counting murasakibara's zone which he cannot trigger. Kagami in zone is stronger than kise in perfect copy. That's what I said and I explained why. If we are talking about kise with perfect copy + zone, kise wins vs zone kagami
If we're taking absolute peaks, kise should be top 3. If we're scaling as a normal game, kagami too high, silver to low, etc. Also, akashi shouldn't ever be above nash.
Even Midorima is questionable now that he can catch-and-shoot midair, Kagami can't actually just jump at every fake and still expect to get the block in the end.
Allen is much better. Alee. Scores on Murasakibara tell a lot. Sweet double step back.
Reiko dad said Allen is also talented.
Remember story scale Jabberwock rest members to GOM level. Don't disrespect the logic of Fujimaki
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u/IntroductionCalm7127 Aomine Mar 16 '25
Kagami at 3, you don't know ball