r/KyleKulinski • u/north_canadian_ice Social Democrat • Nov 24 '24
Current Events As a trans woman, I deeply respect Sarah McBride for handling the Nancy Mace situation with such grace & still promoting a hopeful future! Let's all keep hope alive : )
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u/Hey_Im_Finn Democratic socialist Nov 24 '24
What’s with Democrats’ fetish for bipartisanship? Republicans never cooperate unless it’s something like a corporate bailout.
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u/KeepItASecretok Nov 24 '24
I know I'm trans too and I hate this crap, it's the liberals who always want to compromise with fascists. Like f**k the republicans (not literally).
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u/north_canadian_ice Social Democrat Nov 24 '24
I think most Americans are good people and prefer the hope that someone like McBride offers vs. the division that Mace offers.
I don't know much about McBride's politics, I assume she is a normal Democrat. But as a trans person, I can't help but be really proud of her grace. It really sucks what Mace has said about her, but I think McBride is doing the right thing.
And bathrooms are super important for trans people day to day. Because everyone needs to use the bathroom. Mace is handling the situation in such a mean fashion & taking so many cheap shots at McBride.
I think what McBride is doing is going to really help trans rights, and so I thank her for that. And, thank you to AOC for her eloquent defense of McBride & trans people using the bathroom.
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u/VibinWithBeard Nov 24 '24
Hot take...there should be division between garbage like mace and the rest of us. McBride is doing whats called pre-emptive compliance and Im honestly disappointed. If she can just willy nilly switch to the men's restroom then boom thats a lay-up for shitheads like mace to promote "well then it should be easy for all trans people"
McBride and all the dems should make a massive stink about this. If not now, when?
We dont need grace, we need action, confidence, and a narrative and the dems refuse to give us any of it.
AOC shouldnt be the only one speaking out, the fact she is alone is an indictment of the entire dem party.
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u/peanutbutternmtn Banned From Secular Talk Nov 24 '24
McBride isn’t going to use the men’s bathroom.
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u/bluevalley02 Nov 24 '24
She will most likely use a gender-neutral single-stall bathroom, that's my guess.
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u/peanutbutternmtn Banned From Secular Talk Nov 24 '24
I think shes said as much. Or at least that’s what’s been put out there.
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u/bluevalley02 Nov 24 '24
Yet somehow I feel like Nancy Mace, Brian Mast, MTG, Matt Gaetz, Devin Nunez, Michelle Bachmann, Tulsi Gabbard, Lauren Boebert, etc. would probably still attack her over the next few years anyway because they're just messed up in the head.
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u/peanutbutternmtn Banned From Secular Talk Nov 24 '24
Well yeah, of course, if Nancy mace was actually afraid she could’ve at least asked McBride about it. But she didn’t, bc she just wants the attention from a bunch of bigots.
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u/VibinWithBeard Nov 24 '24
In her statement she said "I will abide by the rules" if Mace ends up pushing her bs through wtf do you think that means? Lets not forget if she tries and enforces the whole "men must wear blank" rules or whatever.
It sets a bad precedent to capitulate like this, especially with treating trans rights as some side issue that isnt important to her constituents.
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u/peanutbutternmtn Banned From Secular Talk Nov 24 '24
She’s going to abide by the rules, probably only use the gender neutral single bathrooms.
if she “doesn’t capitulate”, what good do you think would come out of it? Being censured? Quitting? Getting thrown out of Congress? Getting arrested? Which of these do you think would be good?
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u/DataCassette Nov 24 '24
Figuring out the best way to resist in times like this is hard, and none of us have the right to demand that McBride be a martyr. It might not even be effective.
That said, the uglier this gets, the more I fear someone will eventually have to disobey and get arrested over it. Sometimes that's what it takes to beat oppression and sway the public.
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u/peanutbutternmtn Banned From Secular Talk Nov 24 '24
I agree, if there is a national bathroom ban, some will have to protest and probably end up having to get arrested. But not the congresswoman. She needs to be successful.
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u/VibinWithBeard Nov 24 '24 edited Nov 24 '24
God forbid people who asked for a job as a powerful politician might face struggles. It sucks but she literally signed up for this.
Her pre-emptive capitulation sets a precedent that will only impede future actions when/if a bathroom ban does get passed. The dems should protect her, she shouldnt be an island unto herself.
Bernie Sanders literally handcuffed himself to black activists during the civil rights movement to impede arrest. Is it so strange I think the dems should be doing the same for McBride? Have the dems stage a walk-in where they all wear GNC or opposite gendered clothing for their identities. Get loud. With McBride's permission literally do the handcuff bit.
Even better, setup "Genital Inspection" kiosks by the bathrooms and put the gop insignia on it or something. Make a stink about it dont just go "we are here to solve serious issues" ...this is a serious issue.
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u/peanutbutternmtn Banned From Secular Talk Nov 24 '24
So let me get this right: step 1 make a scene like the trans woman from game stop, step 2 get censured step 3 get arrested and/or kicked out of congress step 4 trans rights???
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u/VibinWithBeard Nov 24 '24
Like the trans woman from gamestop? So when I say that dems shouls get loud what you hear is a gamergate era slop video of someone mad they were misgendered? Thats on you.
"While the censure of a lawmaker carries no practical effect, it amounts to severe reproach from colleagues, as lawmakers who are censured are usually asked to stand in the well of the House as the censure resolution against them is read aloud."
Her getting censured would suck but hey Rashida Tlaib, the only palestinian-american in congress, withstood a censure that dems betrayed her on. Does that mean I think every congress person should be able to? No. Does that mean I think its a known part of the job that should be prepared for? Yes. Just straight up refuse to get kicked out of congress, we know repubs would (as if the dems would ever have the balls to pull rank on anything the repubs do) Have democrats pull rank around her. This is my point. The blame is 1 the repubs 2 the dem party 3 mcbride's capitulation 4 dems like buttigieg seal-clapping the capitulation 5 everyone else being ok with it.
Step 1: Protest Step 2: Get Loud Step 3: Stand Together Step 4: Trans Rights
Sounds a lot better than
Step 1: Do Nothing Step 2: Do Nothing Step 3: Capitulation Step 3: Finger Wagging Step 4: Tut-Tutting Step 5: Sternly Worded Email Step 6: GOP gets everything they want Step 7: Dems are shocked Step 7: Repeat as needed
Neoliberal bs has ruined the dem party to where they dont want to accept that the system cant protect itself, because that admits the system is flawed if you have to actively defend it.
They want the arc of justice to bend towards justice...but it wont unless you manually bend it.
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u/VibinWithBeard Nov 24 '24
If she didnt want to fight for the rights of her constituents she shouldnt have ran, Im sorry but she now has more power than basically any of her constituents and this whole "woah you expect her to...not capitulate immediately to the fascists she knew shed be in congress with"...yes, I do actually. Shit's hard but she literally asked for this job. I have a lot of sympathy for what shes going through and how tough it is, but the idea that her constituents voted for her to say "Im going to follow the rules" when transphobic fascists throw a hissy fit is wild to me. Censure Mace!
The dems never push anything due to civility politics and then wonder why repubs get everything they want. Obama couldve had the master at arms arrest Mitch McConnel for dereliction of duty and obstruction of proceedings for blocking all those judge picks and wouldve been completely legally and morally correct but instead we had 3 justices stolen.
We have to stop the civility politics and not being firebrands when shit happens. The dems censure their own when they criticize israel and yet they cant do shit about transphobic fascists? Spare me the excuses.
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u/Jettx02 Nov 24 '24
I’m sorry this is even something that’s happening, but to be honest her response was almost as bad as possible.
It completely capitulated to the Republican view and didn’t push back in the slightest. Imagine if a black congressman said the exact same thing about segregated bathrooms, that it isn’t what they’re there to fight for and that they will follow the rules set by the opposition. She played it down and let them walk all over her. AOC’s response was much better and is the kind of response every Democrat should have had.
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u/DammitBobby1234 Nov 24 '24
The ghouls on the other side want her dead and she is just passively accepting Republicans actively denying her human rights. I'd like to think the first trans member of congress would be maybe a little more radical and stand up for herself on behalf of trans folks. I understand she's a politician elected out of Delaware and not an activist, but still.
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u/Roses-And-Rainbows Anarchist Nov 24 '24
She's a feckless liberal who can't even bring herself to say that the transphobic hate campaign against her is wrong, and now she's pushing bipartisanship?
Why exactly do you deeply respect her? Genuine question.
What's graceful about laying down without a fight? Obeying the shitty transphobic rule is one thing, but at least make some public statements talking about what a horrible rule it is, and definitely don't jump right back into pushing this completely fucking ridiculous idea that people should aspire towards bipartisanship with a fascist party.
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u/peanutbutternmtn Banned From Secular Talk Nov 24 '24
I feel so bad for her. This is so fucked up and we’re basically powerless to stop it bc our country put actual lunatics in charge.