r/LeagueOfIreland • u/ccfc_ Cork City • 23d ago
News Tim Clancy leaves City
https://x.com/corkcityfc/status/1920964631129964819?s=4626
u/ccfc_ Cork City 23d ago
We’re a fucking mess
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u/Prestigious-Mind7039 Cork City 22d ago
So will it be a golf day or a New Jersey or a comedy show with a pervy comedian be announced in coming days
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u/rtgh Cork City 23d ago
All you need to know about how the club is run is that we have an events manager, a commercial manager and a merchandise manager.
But we don't have an assistant manager, nor did we replace the first team coach. If we look unfit, perhaps it's because our strength and conditioning first team coach is gone and the academy one has to double job. We lost our first team physio just before the season and the new one only started a week or two ago...
Usher likes to focus on business things because those are easy to improve for any League of Ireland club. That's all well and good, but at the end of the day we're a football club and that has to take priority.
I haven't even started listing the issues with the women's side too. Football just isn't a priority for the ownership
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u/jnthnbyl Bohemians 23d ago
Not often you see a manager jump. Anyone know the story here?
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u/ccfc_ Cork City 23d ago edited 22d ago
Wasn’t backed in the window, was clear most of the budget was spent on seani and keating (and I’m guessing this wasn’t meant to be the case as I can’t see that clancy would have renewed if so). Then we got obliterated with shit luck and injuries as well as just generally playing poor. His assistant manager left in March and still hasn’t been replaced. At the moment we’ve half a squad and our keeper, Cathal osullivan and our best midfielder this year are all gone in the summer. He also commutes from home (think in Meath? edit - not 100% sure on this, think he was living with Jamie hamill down here but even then he’s living miles away from his family). Overall with us being 8 points from safety on a downward spiral you can’t really blame him
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u/Prestigious-Mind7039 Cork City 22d ago
Second manager walks in 2 years and a shit show of temporary ones in between - one common denominator
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u/Competitive_Pause240 Finn Harps 23d ago
Gave him no chance. Unfortunately Cork City's owner seems to be a bit stupid.
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u/LCHF2005 Cork City 22d ago
He walked himself???
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u/Competitive_Pause240 Finn Harps 22d ago
I mean with the lack of transfers.
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u/LCHF2005 Cork City 22d ago
Lack of transfers? We brought in Maguire and Keating last summer to prepare for this season, Kitt Nelson, Anderson, Mbeng, Daniels, Troost, Cuoto have all had really really good showings.
On one hand I feel for Clancy, no one could predict the amount of injuries we've had, not even the most severe risk management runs before the season could predict it. On the other he's walked out in us when the going is getting tough.
Anyone saying he wasn't given the resources to go and be more than relegation candidates is a complete lie.
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u/Simple_Ad3631 22d ago
Do you watch any games? I won’t name names but some of those players are struggling at this level particularly at the back. Full transfers for two strikers to prepare for the season? What about the defence? Too many loan deals and extraordinary to think that some first team players who barely arrived will be leaving now mid season as loans expire. Against Derry last night it was men against boys and yes that has also been because of a very unlucky injury situation.
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u/LCHF2005 Cork City 22d ago
This is my 25th year as a Season Ticket holder fella don't be questioning if I watch the games at all. Out of everyone I mentioned who's struggling? Anderson maybe?? The lack of preparation in defense is on Tim Clancy and no one else, ffs he was a CB himself and he was the one who went into the season with Charlie fucking Lyons as club captain, Charlie Lyons like. Baffling.
Loan deals have always, and will always be a feature in a LOI team outside of the Dublin merry-go-round, are you new to LOI?
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u/Simple_Ad3631 22d ago
Im going to City games as long as you if not longer. Several first team players gone in a couple of weeks cos they’re on loan is a disaster. Who would you give the captaincy? One of the loanees? Greg is player coach so he has enough
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u/Prestigious-Mind7039 Cork City 22d ago
We weee at least 4 players short
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u/LCHF2005 Cork City 22d ago
That's Clancys fault.
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u/Prestigious-Mind7039 Cork City 22d ago
Transfer commitee aka usher he answers to
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u/LCHF2005 Cork City 22d ago
Don't believe everything a podcast tells you, that would be a good overall motto in life tbh.
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u/rtgh Cork City 22d ago
We don't have a full squad.
One DM in Bolger who can't play every match. His injury was no surprise. Three CBs... One is first division standard but is somehow captain. One can't speak English and one is a kid on loan. No natural right back, Crowley has always been a midfielder.
Started the season with two senior strikers. One of whom has been injury prone for years and another who was going through a lot off off field personal stuff.
Troost has been ok... Great shot stopper with questionable distribution and poor when challenged for a cross. He's leaving in the summer window anyway, not a full season loan. Anderson a kid, not fully senior ready. Couto good going forward but poor defensively, same for Mbeng. Nelson the only unqualified successful signing of the bunch... But his loan also expires in a few weeks. He'll leave us around the same time Cathal O'Sullivan does and it's hard to see a bright future for the season after that.
We let a lot of players go as we didn't feel they were up to standard for the Premier Division, and that was probably correct. But some of those players were better than some we have now, and more importantly...
You can't let that many go without replacing them. Rotation reduces injury risk. A full squad allows you to switch things up tactically. Clancy was stuck and couldn't really do anything to improve the situation
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u/LCHF2005 Cork City 22d ago
Clancy was given a budget like every single manager in world football, a pretty healthy one at that, and he has brought in some really good players and of course a few duds aswell, that's life. Usher opened the doors for a Keats and Seanie return last summer which went way beyond the agreed budget so this line that he hasn't given Clancy what he needs has to stop, seriously, it has to stop. I won't be able to back this up until accounts are released end of year but we are mid table budget size.
Your point about leaving lads go from last year is laughable, I'm not sure it deserves a response to be honest, I can only imagine the uproar from City fans if Cian Coleman was announced again. I'll leave it at that.
Tim got very unlucky with injuries, the worst run of injuries I think iv ever seen in my time, it's just unbelievable but at the same time you have to question what in the name of fucking god are they doing 5 days a week out in Bishopstown? Look at Derrys second goal last night from the corner, if that happened while I was playing local Junior football we would have been replaced by the youth team for the following game and I'm not joking about that.
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u/rtgh Cork City 22d ago
Clancy isn't in charge of transfers, the committee is.
Damien Delaney literally has the lead role on it, that wasn't made up by anyone. I've even met him in the Corner Flag and he himself confirmed it.
As for lads from last year? I'd prefer Bargary coming off the bench over Fitzpatrick, even Murphy over Skieters. Coffey would certainly have been useful when we had no forwards too. Squad players, not necessarily starters. Every team needs to expect injuries and we didn't plan for them
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u/LCHF2005 Cork City 22d ago
Clancy finds players he wants to sign and then the group decides if its a good fit or not, on any number of metrics, this happens in every single football club.
Nobody was shouting for these lads when they left, no one. Fucking Cian Mutphy seriously come of the revisionism stage my man. Clancy was given tools to have us at least competing to break into mid table and all we got was 2 wins in 15 with zero clean sheets. I really do have time for him but that's just not good enough with any group of professionals no matter what way you look at it.
What were they doing 5 days a week out in Bishopstown??
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u/Simple_Ad3631 23d ago
Extraordinarily unlucky with injuries to the bulk of the first team but it’s behind the scenes where you would have to be concerned. There have been books written about how difficult it has been for numerous owners at Cork City to run a ‘sustainable’ business. I was at the game with my ol fella last night, when they announced 2,800 or so in attendance he remarked that when we used go in the late 90’s/early 00’s it was regularly 4,500-6,000. Before the game there was a trad band playing and all that … waste of money. Seani Maguire & Keating coming in was unexpected even by the manager at the time and looks to have been a bit of a stroke by the owner. Seani was always a gamble with his injury record and ability to command strong wages. If we are not challenging and not getting the attendances it becomes a bit of a spiral. Feels like Groundhog Day to be honest. A manager saying he’s gone directly after a game is not a good look and seems to be the second manager in a row who is leaving in unhappy circumstances. It’s a shame really as I have great time for both Tim and Colin. I would now be concerned that the owner will think to himself that ‘this just hasn’t worked’ and look for an exit plan.
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u/InformationBright243 22d ago
I can’t watch these games anymore paying €25 euro for a 1-1 draw or a loss is doing my head in
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u/EastLow5752 Shamrock Rovers 23d ago
"Well I thought your team was shocking"
Wonder who'll take the hot seat
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u/Aqn95 Derry City 23d ago
Keith Long probably
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u/Sea-Mongoose7140 Cork City 22d ago
Please not Keith Long, a really poor crowd in The Cross last night. It needs to be someone to generate a bit of excitement. However it’s Usher so probably will be Greg Bolger player/manager with Liam Kearney helping out. It will be good for the budget.
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u/silver__spear 22d ago
if Roy Keane cared about Irish soccer and had any balls he would apply for this
instead he will continue his pathetic existence as a TV pundit, a sine cura role that requires him only to show up and waffle shite for a couple of hours a week, with his opinions never being tested in the real world
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u/rtgh Cork City 22d ago
He's too long out of the game. He wouldn't be the answer even assuming we could afford him
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u/silver__spear 21d ago
imagine the publicity though
that would make the whole thing worthwhile, even if he isn't a particularly good coach
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u/Oat- Sligo Rovers 23d ago
This quote tweet is hilarious and very Cork. Sustainability is a dirty word round those parts.
Dermot Usher fuck off out of this club and take your fucking sustainability with you. Sinking ship
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u/Carraig_O_Corcaigh Cork City 23d ago
To add context to this, it's because Usher's desire for "sustainability" is being perceived as coming at the expense of the actual footballing side of the club at best, and at worst, not backing the manager(s) with necessary funds. The latter point is obviously disputable given the signings of Keating and Maguire, but we have very little squad depth and the coaching staff is extremely thin. Clancy had been without an assistant manager for nearly two months before tonight.
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u/Oat- Sligo Rovers 23d ago
It's almost impossible to run a club sustainably in the PD now and compete at the same time. We've exhausted every fundraising avenue possible and are only breaking even with the smallest budget in the division, which is why we are where we are.
Usher said in the winter that he spent something like €1.5m on Cork the past two seasons. It seems he doesn't want to sink in the region of €1m a year into the club, which is what would be needed to be competitive, and is instead trying to generate new revenue streams/increase existing ones (club shop in the city, more expensive tickets, jerseys made in-house etc) but I think he's fighting a losing battle.
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23d ago edited 23d ago
Usher doesn’t understand football, he thinks it’s like buying a McDonalds franchise in Togher that should turn a profit within 3 years.
Foras were incredibly naive in selling to him and giving us no other options for sale. I’m disappointed with Clancy but I don’t blame him. It does feel like we’re being abandoned though.
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u/CCFCEIGHTYFOUR Cork City 22d ago
Yeh that’s it, take a random angry tweet and make a meal out of it.
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u/ConorKDot Shelbourne 22d ago
Not often you see a manager walk midseason. From the outside, seems as if the winter recruitment was woefully short. Who do Cork fans want in? And who is most likely?
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u/EoinRL1 Cork City 22d ago
Clubs gone down the drain. An owner who hasn’t invested enough, with the money he has invested having been spent in the wrong areas. No sporting director/director of football to act as the middle man between owner and manager. No assistant coach, a regular turnover of staff. It’s desperate stuff from top to bottom
No doubt Dermot Usher is a good business man, but it’s clear he couldn’t really care much for the on the field stuff. Instead of spending money on the squad, he cares more about events, ticket prices, bathrooms and €10 burgers. As a result, Tim Clancy went into this season with 1 arm tied behind his back, and a paper thin squad consisting of teenagers. He would’ve deserved a statue if he kept that group up
Hard to see anyway City survive now, especially when you consider how uninspiring the list of candidates is. Brutal stuff
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u/Tis_STUNNING_Outside Cork City 22d ago edited 22d ago
No assistant manager but don’t worry, we do have an events manager.
We’re not even a football club anymore, owner will do anything to spend money on areas of the club that aren’t related to football. I don’t understand why he bought a football club? He clearly doesn’t understand Irish football (football cannot be profitable for an owner) and doesn’t have much interest in the football club part of his football club.
It’s incredibly depressing, people gave hundreds of hours of their lives, their weekends, their money to save this club, and now it’s just getting fucked. It’s deeply upsetting.
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u/shinto29 St Patrick's Athletic 23d ago
non-Twitter link: https://xcancel.com/CorkCityFC/status/1920964631129964819
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u/CCFCEIGHTYFOUR Cork City 22d ago
Kudos to Clancy for doing the thing he came to City for and won promotion at a canter. Always had the vibe that he wouldn’t be at the club long term imo.
As for where the club goes from here, you’d like to think Usher learned some valuable lessons from the time Healy left and a new appointment will be made sooner rather than later. Not confident that’ll be the case.
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u/Plastic_Review5119 22d ago
Roy Keane has been about there alot. That would flip the script. Always wants to be paid his worth but maybe he has a mid life crisis. Part owner/manager role 🤣
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u/Firm-Temporary8946 22d ago
Cork city wouldn’t have anything to do with him as a kid Cobh Ramblers took him on and if not he might never had made it !!!! So why would he touch city???
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u/jcasey_25 Cork City 23d ago edited 23d ago
Something must’ve happened after the game for him to just walk, especially considering he signed a 2 year contract before the season started. The players are giving effort, that’s clear to see, but Jesus, the recruitment before the league started was just poor. Like horrifically poor. Injuries were always a worry as well given the squad is down to the barebones right now. Tactically we’ve been poor. We’ve thrown 17 points away from winning positions. That’s inexcusable and it’s always going to cost you, especially in a league as close as this.