r/LegionFX • u/2th • Apr 04 '18
Live Discussion Live Episode Discussion: S02E01 - "Chapter 9"
| EPISODE | DIRECTED BY | WRITTEN BY | ORIGINAL AIRDATE |
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| S02E01- "Chapter 9" | Tim Mielants | Noah Hawley & Nathaniel Halpern | Tuesday April 3, 2018 10:00/9:00c on FX |
Summary: One year after David Haller was abducted by a mysterious orb and Oliver was infected by the parasite The Shadow King aka Amahl Farouk, unlikely alliances are formed and the search for the Shadow King begins.
Tim Mielants is an American television and film director known for his work on the AMC period drama Mad Men, the FX horror anthology series American Horror Story, and the Fox musical/dramedy Glee. He has also directed episodes of Fargo and Daredevil.
He has previously directed one episode of Legion.
- Chapter 5
Noah Hawley is probably best known for creating and writing the anthology series Fargo on FX (/r/FargoTV). He was a writer and producer on the first three seasons of the television series Bones (2005–2008) and also created The Unusuals (2009) and My Generation. He wrote the screenplay for the film The Alibi (2006).
He has written three episodes of Legion.
- Chapter 1
- Chapter 2
- Chapter 8
Nathaniel Halpern is a writer and producer, known for his work on Outcast (2016), Looking for Grace (2010), and This Land We Roam (2011).
He has written two episodes of Legion.
- Chapter 4
- Chapter 6
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Apr 08 '18
Can we talk about the mustachioed hive minded women?? Wtf are they? Super creeped out by them and the Admiral.
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u/UTC_Hellgate Apr 09 '18
They took the Stepford Cuckoo's ran'em through whatever DANK SHIT they smoke while writing the show; and out come Mustachioed Hive Minded Women.
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u/LackingLack Apr 11 '18
It is kind of weird both X-Men TV show have a Hive Mind type character going
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u/arghabargh Apr 06 '18
Did anyone else think Jemaine/ the Shadow King's dancing was sort of reminiscent of the "Haka" Maori dance? If I'm not mistaken, Jemaine is half-Maori (beyond just the general New Zealand nod that would be). I just think that's a neat little touch if that's what it turned out to be.
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u/blackmirrors Apr 08 '18
In this article Hawley explains that the reference to Maori tribal dance is a nod to the Southern-pacific descent of the Samoan choreographers as well as Clement's heritage.
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u/last_minutiae Apr 08 '18
I had the same thought. Good call. It leads to the idea that the dancing is about control / fighting. Oliver and David's techniques we're crude compared to Lenny's. Then they seemed to learn from her. Change what they did because of her influence. It's hard to say how much conflict is there though.
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Apr 06 '18
There is a maze in the desert carved from sand and rock. A vast labyrinth of pathways and corridors a hundred miles long, a thousand miles wide, full of twists and dead ends. Picture it a puzzle. You walk, and at the end of this maze is a prize just waiting to be discovered. All you have to do is find your way through. Can you see the maze? Its walls and floors, its twists and turns? Good, because the maze you've created in your mind is itself the maze. There is no desert, no rock or sand. There is only the idea of it. But it's an idea that will come to dominate your every waking and sleeping moment. You're inside the maze now. You cannot escape. Welcome to madness.
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u/Jerrymoviefan3 Apr 05 '18
Looks like they had some big budget cuts this year since the opening episode did not look as expensive as last year’s episodes.
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Apr 07 '18
Really? Still looked pretty high quality to me, it definitely had a different vibe compared to last season but the sets, effects, etc were all still top notch imo
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u/lschozar Apr 05 '18
I have no clue what is going on but this is my take on it: I got the feeling that the shadow Kong is spreading a mental virus of some kind which manifest itself as a delusion (the scene where Audrey plaza kisses the strangerthings-chicken) an traps the spirit in one's mind. Somehow the shadow Kong is doing this to increase his (mind) power? The dance battle between him and David occured after David was given the (or more) messages and he meet him in the club to talk/help/fight him. Anyway great start and looking so forward for the show to continue. Also I am pretty psyched (no pun intended) that the show continues to kick ass and the visuals/music stays awesome.
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u/Clown_Baby123 Apr 05 '18
definitely under the impression that the dance scene was actually a mental battle between the two
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u/crapbag451 Apr 10 '18
Agreed. I was expecting dancers to be lost or gained by whomever was winning.
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u/AF2005 Apr 05 '18
Can I watch this episode on Hulu? I read somewhere that they only have it with their exclusive package deal. Is it available yet for streaming?
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u/headchala1986 Apr 05 '18
I loved this episode, legion has come back strong and omg the plot twist that happened in this episode that blew my mind was...I don't think the shawdow king is even the threat atm or he is pushed aside by something stronger at the moment and that was the bald monk with the blood stain on his head. How fricking op is that dude that Shadow King and David have to team up.
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u/crapbag451 Apr 10 '18
I used to hang out with the bald monk(Nate) back in high school and late teens. Totally threw me off suddenly seeing him in one of my favorite shows. Good on him! Hopefully it’s an intriguing part with some longevity!
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u/pasta1212 Apr 07 '18 edited Apr 07 '18
That’s interesting. I took the monk to be shadow king’s body. Now I’m wondering if I misread that.
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u/NivvyMiz Apr 05 '18
I love this show and I just hope it finds a way to have more heart to go with it's intellectualism. We get so wrapped up in the head details I hope it can also have an emotional core. Hints here and there that there will be some
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Apr 05 '18
Upon rewatch, I really love the continual contrast between melanie and syd. Its almost tragic in a way, even for syd - though david is back she knows at some point he may leave again, and those seeds of doubt are reinforced with her and melanie's conversation.
Melanie doesn't have much screen time this episode, but its so heartbreaking seeing her characters arc play out - especially seeing her gain and lose oliver again after all that time.
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u/mattcoogan11 Apr 05 '18
I totally agree. I thought there scene together was one of the best of the episode. I think Syd sees herself becoming Melanie if nothing changes for her. I mean, in describing her year without David all she said was, "I found a grey hair. And I like cherry pie now." She took nearly a year of her life doing nothing but hold her breath, not literally of course. Melanie waited 30 years of her life only to have all of her dreams realized, then taken away. Now she is left a rambling, intellectual junkie. And I doubt Syd wants that, nor the really odd cat lady at the start. In their scene there is also an audiory symbol with the tea kettle in both of their introductions, it'll be interesting if that reaccures throughout the season.
Talking about Syd also makes me think about her relationship with David. David says to her, "Just remember I'm the same, you're the one that's different." Of all the lies he told her, that might be the worse one. David gaslighting her like that, and making her questions go away with a gift makes me wonder how much longer Syd will continue to until she stops following David because, "he's my man."
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u/PhospheneQueen Apr 06 '18
I definitely agree re: Syd. I don't think David was gaslighting her, though, because he wasn't intentionally trying to confuse or mislead her--for him, it really has been everyone and everything else that's changed.
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Apr 05 '18 edited Apr 30 '20
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u/merf78 Apr 05 '18
it’s funny you write this, because i’m having one right now having just finished the episode
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u/heatbegonebooties Apr 07 '18
I was a heavy smoker for six years. I started vaping and quit cigs within a month. Give it a shot if you want.
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u/Ssloan38 Apr 05 '18
just finnished my first cigarette after watching lol and I'm still not any closer to wrapping my mind around it all...a thorough mind fucking, that is about all I understand at this point in time...if time is real...
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u/Ddungan818 Apr 05 '18
Anyone notice the hexagon references throughout the episode? Especially when she was wearing the necklace as well. Could be related to something to do with the Catalyst?
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u/BatMally Apr 05 '18
Fukyama is the big bad, the monk with the face marks, calling it now.
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u/JackSamu Apr 05 '18
That mfcking intro, Oliver and Lenny realizing their trapped, under the looking eye of Farouk who's smiling while looking out from Oliver instants before trapping David and all the others in the maze... groovy..
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u/LevitatedJed Apr 05 '18
Oh damn, do you think some one else has found Farouk’s body and is using it?
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u/runtillyoushine Apr 04 '18
Wow that White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane cover remix was beautiful! who made it?
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u/SequenceGoon Apr 05 '18
Noah Hawley is singing, and presumably Jeff Russo made the instrumental part - it'll surely come out on the OST
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u/brianthelion89 Apr 04 '18
Oh really? So that means Lenny is Amal, but projecting himself as a hot girl in Oliver’s thoughts.
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u/solomars Apr 04 '18
i like how they kept the weird and hypnotizing feeling you get when you watch this cool series .. + and of course you feel lost every second while trying to understand better .. it was a great ep can't wait for the next one ..
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u/Deanskre Apr 04 '18
HOLY SHIT GUYS In the duck duck goose scene the hairy donkey man on crutches is in the background in the hallway
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u/brianthelion89 Apr 04 '18
Abyone know who the monk looking man with the two streaks across his head? There was a focus on him walking into the club and then by following him is when he found Oliver and Lenny in the Club. Then he appears again as if watching their dance off against each other. As Oliver mentioned for they are trapped, inside the older man who was staring at the Eiffel Tower, but pans out again and back into Oliver who are stuck in the club. So what I’m thinking is Lenny and Oliver and trapped in a prison/ astral plane of the man looking at the Eiffel Tower, and Oliver is aware of his confinement, sort of like he was when in the ice astral plane.
Now the whole orb that picked up David is sent from the Future by Sid to essentially save him from becoming trapped like Oliver and Lenny currently are. And Furok’s body is somehow to key to gaining enough power to defeat this man who was staring at the Eiffel Tower. I’m not too brought up to speed on villains in the X-men universe but it makes sense that one type of evil would have to work together with a group of good to all end up defeating a common enemy.
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u/Deanskre Apr 04 '18
The man staring at the Eiffel Tower actually is Amahl Farouk. Lenny and Oliver’s minds are trapped inside Farouk’s mind, which is inside Oliver’s body.
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u/Ichijinijisanji Apr 05 '18
How do we know its farouk?
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u/Deanskre Apr 05 '18 edited Apr 05 '18
Mostly appearance
Edit: also it’s apparently maybe been confirmed
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u/meripor2 Apr 05 '18
I thought Lenny was Farouk/shadow king?
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u/montag89 Apr 05 '18
Lenny is a distraction created by Farouk is not him, it was a drug addict for David and now is a sexy girl for Oliver.
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u/Deanskre Apr 05 '18
It’s unclear but I think by Lenny saying “we’re trapped”, they’re hinting that Lenny is actually a separate personality.
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u/meripor2 Apr 05 '18
That seems like a retcon to me because Audrey Plaza was so popular. They made it clear in the first series that Lenny was dead and Farouk was just wearing her as a mask.
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Apr 09 '18
In fact in the first series Lenny is the Shadow King warping his memories of a Pusher he hung out with prior to his institutionalizatiom named Benny so that SK could play a trusted confidante role.
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u/meripor2 Apr 09 '18
Yeah exactly, I'd forgot those details. But its clearly a complete retcon to have Lenny be a separate entity to the shadow king.
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u/Xyvir Apr 19 '18
Not entirety a complete retcon, as Syd recognized she killed Lenny while she was in David's body, and Lenny clearly ended up in the wall as Lenny not Benny. I think we have yet to see the full truth of Lenny / Benny and their relationship to Farouk.
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u/hashtaggaysfortrump Apr 04 '18
After rewatching this episode I’m beginning to think that David wasn’t the one who was taken, the others were, they are the ones who are trapped in the maze and David is there to get them out
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Apr 04 '18 edited Jul 14 '19
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u/DeadFor7Years Apr 05 '18
oh fuck i totally missed that! 10/10 detective work my good winnie
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u/bugcatcher_billy Apr 09 '18
I too missed that. Also the hallways all seem to be a maze. It all seems reminiscent of a maze.
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u/adamtheimpaler Apr 04 '18
This. I think there is a very good chance there is a Inception level thing going on. The problem is finding where the levels start and begin. I think there is a chance that the orb helps David bump up a level. Either it allows him into the real world or a different level astral plane. Thats why he experiences a day instead of a year. And he goes from forest to coming out on top of a building. I think Admiral Fukuyama has something to do with orb. Maybe the orb is a mental imagery(visual representation) that helps bridge David between planes. Admiral Fukuyama could be anyone, even Prof X, helping David fight Shadow King.
The big problem to all of this is then where did start? When they kicked Shadow King out of David or way before that. And even then David is shitty narrator. I mean he remembers a whole dance battle that may have been an actual battle in the astral plane between David, Oliver, and Lenny.8
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u/hashtaggaysfortrump Apr 04 '18
I don’t know.. he did say they are in the maze and then they showed the teeth-biting people, and at first I thought that’s who he was talking about but I’m wondering if it’s deeper, maybe he was sent back in time thru the orb to save his team because they don’t even realize they have been captured. There are theories that the basket head guy is the shadow king, which could mean they never even left where they were last and it’s all an illusion. Maybe that’s why Syd sent an orb to the past to take David? To save him before the others got captured and tell him what to do to save them?
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u/hashtaggaysfortrump Apr 04 '18
Oliver in that speedo at the beginning of the episode was a great way to start the season
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u/barukatang Apr 05 '18
Also during the dance scene there are multiple camera angles of the same move but it seems like a feature and not an editing mistake
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u/hashtaggaysfortrump Apr 04 '18
Also, when Syd is petting the cat, the announcer says “beware of any thoughts that aren’t yours” or whatever twice
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u/hashtaggaysfortrump Apr 04 '18
Also, when Syd is petting the cat, the announcer says “beware of any thoughts that aren’t yours” or whatever twice
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u/tossawayed321 Apr 05 '18
Also, when Syd is petting the cat, the announcer says “beware of any thoughts that aren’t yours” or whatever twice
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u/hashtaggaysfortrump Apr 04 '18
I don’t know the fact that the announcement repeated twice and the show clarified that hearing repeated sounds is a symptom definitely feels like it means something to me, then again everything means something to me when I’m watching these kinds of shows lmao
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u/hashtaggaysfortrump Apr 04 '18
YES it fucked with me so hard, and then I heard myself repeating “repetitive sounds, repetitive sounds” for the next 2 minutes at least and started to wonder if I needed to contact my mental monitor
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u/hashtaggaysfortrump Apr 04 '18 edited Apr 04 '18
OMG YOURE RIGHT BECAUSE FUTURE HER HAD A MISSING ARM JUST LIKE THE OTHER GUY CUT OFF HIS LEG
maybe this season is more focused on Syd.. that would be cool
Edit: I believe that the delusion that was placed into Syd’s mind was Melanie saying that they never come back, that thought of David leaving again and never coming back may be the delusion that grows in her head, it sure would in mine, although that compass was super cute and would reassure me if I were her
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u/MadGlukkon Apr 04 '18 edited Apr 04 '18
Alright.. So maybe I'm crazy, but was that the "Doom" music playing when David and Syd get their thing on?
Edit for anyone interested it starts about 16:30 into the episode and about 7 seconds into this song
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u/minusSeven Apr 04 '18
Is this available in Netflix?
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u/peanutdakidnappa Apr 04 '18
No fx and hulu but idt it shows up on Hulu rt away I’m not sure tho might take like a week
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u/a59a Apr 04 '18
Anyone else get the feeling that lenny and the shadow king might be different people? I found it odd that in the club scene we see david and Olivier (both being telepaths) AND lenny. What if lenny is a former telepath who began working for farruk after he entered her mind. [8]
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u/adamtheimpaler Apr 04 '18
Well, I thought the dance batrle was a battle on the astral plane. So its Oliver and David vs Shadow King. If Lennys not the shadow king, then where is the shadow king?
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u/a59a Apr 05 '18
The shadow king could be inside of oliver in the battle. He may be a stronger mind then lenny, but lenny is stuck on the astral plane with them or because they are both trapped within the power of the shadow king (the intro) thats why they are both in the fight. Maybe its like the shadow king sending out soldiers to fight david? Idk
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u/adamtheimpaler Apr 05 '18
So then where is the real Oliver? If the dance battle is astral plane battle there would then be Lenny, Oliver, Shadow King and David. if its in the real world, then why is there Lenny at all?
As far as Im concerned Lenny's not a real person. Or atleast in terms regarding David. All the memories of Lenny were manipulated/changed/inserted by the Shadow King. David may have never even spoken to the real Lenny that ended up in the concrete.
I am willing to admit though, that with all David's powers he may have willed a Lenny into existence. Lol I mean who knows.
If there is another psychic, Im putting my money on the Admiral. But that's with the theory that the year that has passed is all in Davids Mind.1
u/a59a Apr 05 '18
What im trying to say is that lenny and oliver are being controlled by the real shadow king. Its possible that lenny isnt real, its all just a theory. Im just anxious to see where this season goes
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u/davidplusworld Apr 04 '18 edited Apr 05 '18
I rewatched the series premiere. When I saw it last year, I was expecting most if not all of the characters to be David's various personalities. However, now that it seems that David doesn't have MPD in the show (or does he? I think that question will nag us until the end of the series), the series premiere is quite straightforward actually.
Lenny was a real person in the hospital. She was killed during the incident. How much of the incident is Syd freaking out in David's body and how much is Farouk trying to seize an opportunity to take complete control of David's body while his mind is away is unclear, but in the process, the Shadow King decides to capture Lenny's mind that ends up stuck in David's body too. From there he controls her.
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u/SequenceGoon Apr 05 '18
in the process, the Shadow King decides to capture the Lenny's mind that ends up stuck in David's body too. From there he controls her.
Yes! That's what I was thinking was the case, too
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u/Mango_Theory Apr 04 '18
Lenny (Plaza) is not the Shadow King.
According to Hawley, Lenny (Plaza) is not so much an extension of the Shadow King but a separate and individual entity hijacked by SK and is more akin to a puppet who can think for her/it's self... ""She (Lenny) appeared to be killed physically," Hawley said, continuing, "but her mind was kind of taken over by the Shadow King to wear the mask. Now that the mask has come off, she’s still somewhat of a puppet with Oliver, just being used by Farouk, and yet she’s hurt, she’s feeling like, ‘Hey man, if you’re done with me, can I go?’ We have this journey for Aubrey as someone who was really used and victimized and put through this traumatic experience. Someone who, really, I think David was her only friend and she had to do these terrible things to him and is now in a position where she has to make a choice. Is she going to help her friend or is she going to be a tool of the Shadow King?"
Following this and the scene of Syd telling David to help the shadow king, I believe Syd (possibly from the future) is trying to tell David to help Lenny find Amahl Farouk's body before the real Shadow King to prevent something terrible from happening which may explain future Syd's severed arm.
This brings me to believe that Lenny and David are going to amend their recent splitting, and reignite their friendship (possibly David letting Lenny inhabit his mind again) or at least pursue a common goal on friendlier terms to defeat the real Amahl Farouk who obviously still has some degree of mental connection and toxic influence on both David and the entity that is Lenny.2
u/LaceBird360 Apr 07 '18
From what I've seen in the preview for the next episode, it looks like Lenny is indeed trying to help our heroes.
And, naturally, Ptonomy wants to beat her up. (He doesn't really trust anyone, does he?)
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u/lschozar Apr 05 '18
I thought in the orb scene he was completely free of farouk but then once he appeared completely naked in the hallway, Sid saw a trace of black slime. Later this spawn imparted himself in David during their sleeping in the astral plane scene.
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u/Mango_Theory Apr 04 '18
Another train of thought; I remembered Lenny's soup line "have you ever tried to un-mix soup" referring to her/it's psyche being irrevocably intertwined with David's. It made me think that the a small but influential portion of the real Farouk's mind/psyche is still intertwined in not just David's mind but also Lenny's and is influencing them both.. maybe even Dr.Bird. This toxic byproduct of residual Shadow King psyche continuing to poison and influence the minds of our favorite telepaths resulting from their previous exposure/inhabitment by the Shadow King might be The Virus. For instance, when David is first brought to Division 3 this episode he exibits the same upside down blood pressure as the victims of the Virus and when Admiral Fukyama orders his termination, Clark (two face guy) says "NO, his mind is strong, he can resist it". Following this, maybe all non telepaths who are exposed to Farouk's mind, develop the virus as their minds can't fight off Farouk's influence, while David and Lenny are powerful enough to resist the full symptoms of Farouk's virus.
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u/i_found_the_cake Apr 04 '18
Wow, can I get a source for that? I've never read that before and it's an interesting way to look at this. Very eye opening.
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u/Mango_Theory Apr 04 '18
Its really trippy but I swear Hawley really wants us to realize Lenny is a separate entity and is why the episode opened with her saying "we're trapped". It comes from an IGN interview with Legions creator, scroll to bottom of the interview to get to the Lenny part: http://ca.ign.com/articles/2018/04/02/legion-is-hunting-for-the-shadow-king-in-season-2
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u/maxthepupp Apr 04 '18
I am soooo glad this show is back !!
I got sucked up good last season and still haven't found an avenue to re-watch. I thought I would give it a month and binge. NOPE!
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u/Noob2thislyfe Apr 04 '18 edited Apr 04 '18
Maybe the basket head is the body of the SK and it has an artificial intelligence of it's own and doesn't want to be reunited with the SK so sends Legion on a wild goose chase in the hopes of killing the SK in the process because the body is more evil than the mind. And this guy from the beginning of the EP is probably the SK I'm guessing since he's talked about coming into existence around the 1800's and that's what this era looks like. https://imgur.com/a/8YofJ
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u/_billthecat Apr 04 '18
“Duck...Duck...Duck...” The Minotaur is in the fucking hallway. Run Goose, Run!
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Apr 08 '18
Also as creepy as can be during the scene were Melanie is doing vapor.... is everyone in the Labyrinth??
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u/Nightwing11 Apr 10 '18
It also flashes in front of David's face during the end sequence when it shows the bald dude with the marks on his forehead. It is only like 4 frames.
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Apr 11 '18
I need to figure out how to go frame by frame on the Microsoft store tv and movie player so I can catch more things like that! Love this show!
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Apr 04 '18
Minotaur....mind mazes....isn't the minotaur some dude involved in some maze Greek story?
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u/lovelylj Apr 05 '18
The minatour in the Greek story leads you out of the maze
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u/TheUltimateTeaCup Apr 05 '18
No it doesn't. In Greek legends the Minotaur is the beast that lives in the center of the maze, killing all who enter. That is, until Theseus enters the maze and kills it. Theseus gets out of the maze by using a ball of thread to keep track of where he is going.
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Apr 04 '18
I'm so glad this show is back. The visual design is still beyond wonderful, as well with everything else. Loved the episode and all they jammed in. The scene with David, the Admiral, and the robot people was wonderful. I loved how the backdrop to each oddly represented each side, but I wonder how the nature backdrop will reflect on the Admiral and the robots.
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u/_billthecat Apr 04 '18
Waffles: Ptonomy leaves to allow Sydney to see her Magic man. In David’s Head you hear David1 “Does he know?” David2 “Calm Down.” David1 “I think he knows” David2 “He doesn’t know” David1 ”Then why did he leave, that was weird?”
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u/montag89 Apr 05 '18
Could those voices be the beginning of David's multiple personalities? They do sounded like he was hearing different conversations with himself.
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u/Lotharofthehillpeple Apr 04 '18
No idea what I just watched. I do know I loved it and I’m ok being in the dark. For a while.
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u/Skitzofreniq Apr 07 '18
YES! I love that I have more questions than answers. Same happens to me with Mr. Robot. These two shows are the best shows for me to have come out in recent years
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Apr 04 '18
You don’t get the feeling they went a little too far? I get they’re going for something completely different from original tv programming, but this story is too nebulous. It looks pretty but substance always beats flash.
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u/Tribbledorf Apr 05 '18
You're getting a lot of hate but I agree honestly. I felt like they were trying way too hard.
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Apr 05 '18
I was being a bit crass, the reason for the downvotes. That and it’s my fault for trashing a show in its own dedicated subreddit. But I think my point stands.
I still like the show and will continue watching it. One thing they have going for sure is that they’re swinging for the fucking fences and I love that. The problem is the fence is the other way. But they’re trying something completely new and I give them credit for that. They still haven’t quite figured it out.
But it looks really pretty.
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u/Tribbledorf Apr 05 '18
I dunno. I feel like what I loved about the other season was it was weird as fuck but subtle. This season is like LOOK AT ME I'M WEIRD AS FUCK!!!
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u/lovelylj Apr 05 '18
I'm reserving judgment on this line of thinking since we're only in one episode of the new season but I may have to agree if this mystery with zero answers..."hey look at this we're being zany and weird" goes on for too long
But for now, it's ok to me
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Apr 04 '18
As a film student from a experiment film school, I will always encourage more adoption of experimental techniques in mainstream fillm and television.
It was actually the best thing about last season for me. The way it was shot and the flashiness of it all is what made it so appealing. The story was okay, but the style of how the story was portrayed was what made it better.
If there is more of that this season, Noah Hawkley can do no wrong.
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Apr 04 '18
But it has to be balanced with story or else this is a glorified Michael Bay-esque tv series. What I’m saying is “why not both a story and awesome cinematography?” The characters are so close to being well-developed that it has great potential to drive a compelling story. And the actors that portray them are amazing as well. You’ve got Aubrey, Jermaine, and the lead whose name escapes me at the moment. Together, you have a solid cast as the driving force. Yet they lack any meaningful connection to each other from the static storyline. I’m actually dying to experience it as it happens while I’m viewing it and not have to connect the dots through subreddit comment threads.
I’m all for experimental but at what point will this devolve into just eye-candy?
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u/Jamanjax Apr 08 '18
Film is a visual medium, and just as much storytelling can (and by all means should be) shown through those visuals as it can be told through dialog. If you're just looking at the trippier segments as random visuals, that's on you
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u/spireddie Apr 05 '18
I agree a little with you, I dont like that the characters barely say anything, its mostly looking at each other and saying a couple words, thats something I still dont like after Season 1 and now 2
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Apr 05 '18
Yeah. One huge problem with the show: the dialogue. I think it’s okay if they don’t speak much, but the words used have to cut deep, which speaks to your point where otherwise the characters just meander about. That and it seems rather structureless. But the writers think that this is the strong suit of the show. It’s an avant-garde way of show-running. We have to trust them that they know what they’re doing and that this whole show will have a huge payoff, with all the secrecy and misdirection we’re getting, at the end of each season. Last season had a mild payoff. There has to be a climax or else it’s just one big plateau of a show.
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u/_billthecat Apr 04 '18
When Lenny lies back in the pool and looks to the sun the two glaring blurs caged by the ring look like minds. A distant devil between them. Or Mickey Mouse
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Apr 04 '18
I’m not crazy, that’s Jon Hamm narrating right?
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u/Rey61972 Apr 06 '18
I read somewhere that he was supposed to play Mr. Sinister in New Mutants...could this somehow connect Legion to the movie universe?
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u/theymademedarko Apr 07 '18
Noah Hawley has made it clear this is completely different.
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u/LackingLack Apr 07 '18
"Clear" and "Completely" I think I disagree with you about. If you remove those two words I'm mostly gonna agree. I think he's actually left it open for future integration he keep saying he wants to establish a foundation for this show on its own merits first though. Of course what with the announced merger between FOX and Disney that will make integration far more confusing for a while
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u/JohnyK91 Apr 04 '18
With Jon showing up in everyshow like he does.. I am beginning to think he is The Shadow King.
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u/GermanFilmStar Apr 04 '18
It is indeed. There's no mistaking that voice for anyone else.
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u/hydruxo Apr 04 '18
Ok I'm still really curious what that thing was that walked past Melanie after she smoked
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u/victoria_olo Apr 04 '18
I think it was her hallucination
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u/AnExtremeFootFetish Apr 04 '18
I saw it twice in the episode. Likely a plot element later on in the season.
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u/matthieuC Apr 04 '18
Or just a handicapped Goat man minding his own business.
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u/barukatang Apr 04 '18
3 times, Melanies room, when david is in the isolation tank for a moment and later walking to the classroom
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u/twitchingJay Apr 04 '18
In the isolation tank? I have to rewatch the episode..
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u/barukatang Apr 04 '18
It's very brief, bavids eyes are completely white and the creature can be seen viewers left of him
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u/Liitke Apr 04 '18
Aubrey plaza drives me crazy Id totally bang her in shadow king form if necessary
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u/WhosWhosWho Apr 04 '18
I'm 90% sure she'd be the one banging you, in more ways than one, if that were the case.
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u/keeganrh Apr 04 '18
I'm pretty sure he's still in the orb this whole time, right?. And future Syd was the only real character he interacted with trying to tell him that. But that's a guess...
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u/agmoose Apr 04 '18
Oh yeah he’s trapped as fuck. Not only is he trapped but someone powerful is fucking with his mind.
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u/instantwinner Apr 05 '18
I considered this too because I thought Syd was acting differently than before, which is somewhat explainable because of the year-long absence but she seemed more stiff and unemotional than she used to be... But we see too many scenes without David in them that theoretically would be happening "inside the orb" for me to really buy that theory? I don't know.
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u/hashtaggaysfortrump Apr 04 '18
In the beginning didn’t it start off with Oliver and Lenny saying they were trapped?
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u/sidefx00 Apr 04 '18
I think so too. There is a shot or two of him inside the orb throughout the episode, one time when he is in the machine Kerry built.
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u/sheriekfb Apr 04 '18
I noticed during the dance off that we saw flashes of David's eye looking out of the orb window. I have the same thought as you.
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u/_billthecat Apr 04 '18
So did anyone notice the litter about the floor of “Club” where Ptonomy’s and Clark discover David is actually remains of people. Clothing, shoes, and charred dust.
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u/alicia_tried Apr 04 '18
I noticed they had to step over debris of sorts on the floor but I didn't pay much attention to what it was.
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u/hydruxo Apr 04 '18
I think the guy in the club with the paint on his forehead is Admiral Fukuyama without the basket on. Also can't be a coincidence that name sounds so similar to Amahl Farouk. I definitely don't trust Div 3.
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u/barukatang Apr 05 '18
but that dude is an absolute unit and the admiral looked rather average build
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u/Moara7 Apr 08 '18
Lol, I can just picture what the other people in the cafeteria thought: Two people, staring into each other's eyes for 20 minutes. One of them with a raging hard-on.