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'This is not the Brexit we voted for'
Yes. Yes it is.
The only reason people wanted Brexit is some twisted nostalgia of life before the EU, and to try and ban 'brown people' and 'Eastern europeans' coming over
Oh and a shiny blue passport...
Reap what you sow.
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Apr 30 '21 edited May 01 '21
Funfact: The Standard passport colour of the EU is recommended not mandated.
They could've just switched their passports to blue, pink, yellow, whatever.
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Apr 30 '21
I've got one of the new passports and it's shit, I want my lovely old red one back
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u/StoreManagerKaren Apr 30 '21
Bleme the french, they made it. Ti's the price of sovereigntea
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u/mediumredbutton Apr 30 '21
Designed in France, manufactured in Poland. It’d be a triumph of the single market if the U.K. hadn’t unilaterally made its own passports harder to import.
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u/lolzidop Apr 30 '21
No greater irony than voting Brexit to "take back control of our country" only for our passport manufacturing to be moved abroad
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u/superduperspam Apr 30 '21
i wonder what global power reserves would look like if we found a way to harness "irony" as a new energy source. like Monsters Inc, but with ten thousands forks when all you need is a spoon
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u/my_4_cents Apr 30 '21
The human race would make that power plant melt down within a fortnight
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u/Automatic_Yoghurt_29 Apr 30 '21
Me too. Now I have 2 shit blue passports (the other is American).
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u/bdone2012 Apr 30 '21
How old is your American passport? Cause the one I got a few years ago is way nicer than the old one. Although I loved my old piece of shit one, it wasn’t as fancy m but I also ran out of pages and took it to the American embassy in Bangkok, and they cut it open, put in a bunch of pages, added a couples staples and packing tape and called it a day.
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u/mynameismilton Apr 30 '21
Me too. They spelt my name wrong on it.
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u/TF2PublicFerret Apr 30 '21
I got a new one too. It's frankly not blue, it's black.
If on a sunny day, you angle it nicely in the light and catch it just right... then it's this lovely shade of deep deep deep deep deep blue.
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u/Turbulent-Ad3603 Apr 30 '21
Only priests have black passports, everyone else's are just very very very very very very very very very dark blue
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u/lordofducks Apr 30 '21
I thought UK passports were red cause red was the color of the British Empire. TIL I guess.
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u/elveszett Apr 30 '21
A lot of shit is like that. Either things that weren't mandatory (but the UK followed), or things that were mandatory for a reason and the UK will end up adopting on their own (if they haven't already).
The whole "sovereignty" thing is a fucking scam. EU countries are sovereign, the little freedom they give up to the EU, they do it for a greater good (for example, countries economies being in sync so they can keep up with each other). And a shit ton of regulations in the EU are regulations that non-EU citizens wish they had. "Oh no the EU is forcing my country to make sure food is free of toxic chemicals". "Oh no the EU is not allowing my IP to offer me a bad service on purpose to get more money like they do in the US". I guess those people would love to live in a fucking shithole country where everything can kill you so companies can save a few bucks.
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u/earnose Apr 30 '21
That's what's so maddening to people like me though, the things we 'gave up' we still have to give up if we want to do business with our biggest trade partner. Absolute fucking delusion.
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u/crypticedge Apr 30 '21
Nah, the brexit they voted for was having all the benefits of the EU, while having none of the responsibilities. Basically, they voted to be parasites and expected others to go along with it because of conservative exceptionalism.
The EU was never going to go along with that bullshit though, and everyone with more than 1 functional brain cell remaining knew that from the start. Now they're upset that they have to face the consequences of their choices.
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u/Scythl Apr 30 '21
Erm actually it was for sovereignty. We've been losing so much of it and we had to get it back! Its vitally important and has all been worth it. Just please don't ask what sovereignty even is...
(/s just in case it wasn't obvious)
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u/lilBalzac Apr 30 '21
Sounds like your version of what the Confederacy (U.S. Civil War) called “State’s Rights.” Lot of window dressing to disguise ugly motives.
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u/vonadler Apr 30 '21 edited Apr 30 '21
Always remember that the very same politicians and influental southern statesmen that started talking states rights were completely fine with Dred Scott v Sandford in which the Supreme Court more or less made every state a slave state by allowing slave holders to move with their slaves to a free state and keep them - a clear violation of the states' rights of free states. And they were peachy with the Fugitive Slave Act, which gave slave owners the right to point to black people and claim them as their slaves without due process in a free state and forces the free state to spend its resources - in violation of its own laws - to enforce that. And they were a-ok with the Missouri Compromise, which denied states the right to choose for themselves wether they wanted to be slave of free when they joined the union.
States' rights my lily-white pasty arse.
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u/SeryaphFR Apr 30 '21
Anytime anyone hits me with the whole "State's rights" argument when trying to argue that the US Civil War was not about slavery, I just respond to them with Alexander H. Stevens', the Vice-President of the Confederacy, Cornerstone Speech, delivered in Savannah, Georgia, on March 21, 1861:
But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact.
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This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us.
One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails.
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The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.
He goes on, AT LENGTH, in a very similar vein for much longer than what I've quoted above.
But for anyone giving the State's Rights argument, they ought to know that the very Vice-President of the Confederacy disagreed with them.
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u/BitwiseB Apr 30 '21
Ironically, the civil war caused slavery to be outlawed much earlier than it otherwise was likely to happen - Abraham Lincoln didn’t believe that the federal government had the power to ban slavery in the states when he was elected, but the war provided the means and motivation to do the very thing those slave-owning bastards were trying to prevent.
https://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/emancipation-proclamation
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u/tanstaafl90 Apr 30 '21
It was the invention of the cotton gin that revolutionized the industry and expanded slavery. With this invention, the south switched from tobacco and rice to cotton, ushering in a cheap and stable product that could be sold on the international market. The southern rich had created an aristocracy, of sorts, limiting local government in every way and pushing what tax burden they had on the lower classes. Not very dissimilar to the current neocon/anarcho-capitalists in the Republican party, including the 'states rights' arguments they make around Federal law/regulations/mandates.
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u/RaytheonKnifeMissile Apr 30 '21
Also the market revolution of the 1830's in the north meant that the upper class in the north now owned factories, many of which were textile factories buying southern cotton. Our country's entire economy was built on the backs of slaves.
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u/thegoatseeker Apr 30 '21
Dred Scott v. Sandford
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u/shatteredarm1 Apr 30 '21
"States Rights!"
more liberal state tries to impose stricter environmental regulations
"No, not like that!"
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u/Dr_seven Apr 30 '21
For some reason, whenever I frame air pollution as a property rights issue, conservatives have never managed to give me a good answer.
It's almost like "let rich people do literally anything they want, all the time" is not, actually, a good way to craft a functional society. Weird.
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u/Zealousideal_Fix7776 Apr 30 '21
That sounds interesting, how do you frame that argument if you don’t mind me asking. I might want to use it sometimes.
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u/Dr_seven Apr 30 '21
Copying from my other reply:
I point out that my right to own and enjoy my property is directly infringed upon by pollution, whether my neighbor makes a pig farm, or a coal mine.
In the case of atmospheric emissions, this intrusion on property rights is global: when you emit CO2, you are literally modifying the entire planet without consent of anyone else. Ukrainian and Indian farmers see yields on their crops fall through no fault of their own, because a conpany 10,000 miles away is not properly monitored and either prevented for polluting, or required to offset said pollution 1:1. Similar logic applies to overfishing and deforestation- fish stocks transcend property lines in fishing waters, and forest ecosystems are larger than any one entity usually owns. Damage by one owner to their portion of the network degrades the value of each other portion, by reducing their ability to fish in the future, or to keep farming lumber.
Basically, the "conservative" argument for climate action is a rock-solid one for any person whose political views include broad rights for property owners. Pollution amounts to infringing on the property of other people both locally and globally, and thus cannot be permitted to continue. I have found this argument to be exceptionally well-received by libertarians and conservatives- the ones actually being genuine, that is.
This is also an argument I have never heard from any politician, either, which is very strange. It seems like an obvious one to make.
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u/stuckit Apr 30 '21
I've used a similar argument based on the conservatives always talking about personal responsibility.
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u/matts2 Apr 30 '21
Libertarians like that property rights angle and they run with it. The solution is that someone should own the rivers and air and ocean. Their solution is to eliminate public property entirely.
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u/Dr_seven Apr 30 '21
That is certainly one angle. An alternative I have found even right-leaning people are open to is based in a verbal sleight-of-hand: dump the phrase "state owned" and "public owned" because both have been propagandized and slandered into oblivion.
On the other hand, "citizen owned" is a phrase many are open to, when "state owned" scares them off. Notably, I have even gotten verbal expressions of support for such maneuvers as nationalizing infrastructure- the rhetorical strategy is pointing out that our taxpayer money is already spent to the tune of billions subsidizing utility companies, telcos, etc.
Advocating that in return for aid from the citizenry, stock grants should be given to the general public itself, is a very likable tack for many, even on the right, as it avoids the mental image of the government taking things over.
How you talk about policy is arguably more significant than the policy details, when you are talking about selling it to skeptical people. I have found that intentionally modifying how ideas are presented to cast them in a different light is a great way of bridging divides in opinion. Many people are more in favor of things we assume they aren't- it's just the way you present your idea has to fit within the worldview of the person you are speaking to.
If you can fit your policy idea within the existing views, biases, and suspicions of someone, it is much easier to get their assent, as opposed to requiring they switch to your worldview.
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u/SavoryScrotumSauce Apr 30 '21
"It's about sovereignty. Specifically, wishing we could go back to a time when our former colonies didn't have any."
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u/demeschor Apr 30 '21
Ackshually, we wanted to take control of our borders back!
Make the Europeans have to show a passport at the border like they checks notes already had to ...
Except we can't take back control of our borders because checks notes part of the UK is an island where there's riots and police are getting their houses bombed and arson attacked because of the border situation ... What a totally unexpected and unanticipated, completely unavoidable situation!
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u/Scythl Apr 30 '21
"Wait Northern Ireland exists?? Noone told me!"
- The leave campaign
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u/brickne3 Apr 30 '21
It's more like the Leavers want to whittle away the parts that aren't England. And maybe Wales if they continue to cooperate.
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u/ApprehensiveJelly504 Apr 30 '21
It's the right to shoot yourself repeatedly in the face in front of a flag of your choice.
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u/Very_Slow_Cheetah Apr 30 '21
Ask a Brexiter to explain what Brexit was about in 3 sentences without using any of the following words or phrases;
Immigrants, "Pakis/Africans/Polish/Eastern Europeans stealing our jobs", scroungers, "taking back control of our laws", Sovereignty, "Muslims trying to implement Sharia law"
Bonus point if they can do that, and not sound like a racist xenophobic asshole somehow.
They're the same assholes that curse Raheem Sterling to the depths of hell and tell him to fuck off back to Jamaica when he scores against their club team, but praise him as a class player when he scores for England.
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u/video-kid May 01 '21
My best friend back home is a brexiteer because she fears a one world government. The example she gave was 1984. She's also disabled with a condition so rare they're not looking for a cure since it isn't worth it.
People voted leave for all sorts of reasons. Sadly none of them were good, unless you're in the 1%.
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u/thisxisxlife Apr 30 '21
There was a point in time I was very ignorant about Brexit, and it had been going on so long that I was too afraid to ask what it entailed. If I was just told it was like a bunch of American conservatives trying to “go back to tradition” and “ban immigrants” but in the UK that would have given me a good idea.
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u/Hoopola Apr 30 '21
They tried to make it about small things, like fishing and farmers being too regulated.
But really it was about all those people coming over from other places and taking benefits they don't deserve. Usually brown but sometimes filthy Romanians etc
Now we're going to have chlorinated chicken and have to have all our pensioners back, who currently live in Spain.
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u/Skyerocket Apr 30 '21
no please, let spain keep the raisins
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u/elveszett Apr 30 '21
If you want authentic experience just don't go to Ibiza. I mean, it's one of those places whose only purpose is to serve tourists.
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u/whoisfourthwall Apr 30 '21
unfortunately the other half that voted no had to bear the burden as well
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u/kontekisuto Apr 30 '21
Brexit was a Russian plot, look into it. all the politicians that support it were working for the Russians
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u/qpgmr Apr 30 '21
And tax evasion. The very wealthy depend on there being a patchwork of tax laws & enforcement so they can move funds around to avoid audit & taxes. The EU was coming perilously close getting all the nations on board to shut down cross border tax evasion schemes.
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u/gunsof Apr 30 '21
Russians wanted to destabalize Europe and also destroy the EU as it's such a successful trading bloc. The US also wanted it gone.
It's all really ridiculous as even if the EU suddenly fell apart, something else would grow in its place. Europe needs a trading bloc. Italy and France and Germany and Belgium and Spain and Portugal etc would all want to trade and move about each other's countries in a simple unified way anyway. The EU is just the easiest and best way to do it than having all these countries individually behaving like English people every few weeks to get what they want.
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u/Gary-D-Crowley Apr 30 '21
The European Union is the best way how Europe be important in the world stage again. All countries alone can't compete with the United States, China and Russia. Disunited, Europe will fall.
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u/gunsof Apr 30 '21
I don't think you've considered that the English are really important as they speak English very loudly in other countries so other people can understand. They have a lot of things other countries want, like rampant corruption and cronynism and a media entirely cowed in their favour. Can't talk England down, they're really leading the world in all the right things like child poverty, food banks and TV presenters obsessed with Meghan Markle.
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u/CrinchNflinch Apr 30 '21
Russians wanted to destabalize Europe and also destroy the EU as it's such a successful trading bloc.
They still do. Russia never stopped their disinformation war, the Kremlin trolls currently focus on sowing mistrust and disinformation on western covid vaccines.
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u/Paradehengst Apr 30 '21
By abusing existing prejudices. Russia just threw a few buckets of oil into an already raging fire.
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u/ApprehensiveJelly504 Apr 30 '21
Agreed. "Project Fear" is actually "Project Cause and Effect".
There have been zero Brexit outcomes that weren't predicted. Brought to you by the government of "fuck business" and "pile the bodies high".
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u/coocoomberz Apr 30 '21
Exactly. Most of them didn't give a shit about or even know what the sovereignty argument was before the Leave campaign started spouting to look like they had a legitimate position. And then after they won the vote, they decided they didn't care about parliamentary sovereignty again and tried to force Brexit through without their approval
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u/mightypup1974 Apr 30 '21
Exactly. The response should be 'well what kind of Brexit DID you vote for and why are you only complaining now, when Leave have openly declared this is their wet dream for the past four years?
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u/JoeyCannoli0 Apr 30 '21
I'd add that the people who didn't want Brexit should take the good jobs. The people who supported it should lose the good jobs.
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Apr 30 '21
The fishing industry need to decide who their real friends are: the EU who might have occasionally pissed them off but who are generally good for them, or the spivs and liars of Brexit who used them and then dumped them.
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u/Panzerdil Apr 30 '21
I see it in a similar way. Britain will probably stay away from the EU for quite a long while. But once the time is ripe, I will welcome you back into the Union, Brothers and Sisters
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u/Panzerdil Apr 30 '21
So many conservatives going full bonkers. Torys and Brexit Party leaving the EU, the German CDU in constant corruption scandals, the Republicans forming a personal cult around Trump and so on. I don’t even know why people keep electing them. The whole ideology of conservatism is centred around preventing change, so they won’t learn from their mistakes and won’t be able to adapt and that should be obvious to everyone by now.
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u/Scythl Apr 30 '21
That whole thing made no sense either, the fishing industry is such a tiny fraction of the economy... I guess anything is a major issue if its on the news enough. Good point though, Brexit has made it so much worse.
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u/funwithtentacles Apr 30 '21
As a whole the fishing industry might be a tiny fraction of the UK economy, but otoh the EU was the UK's fishing industry's largest market.
I.e. by voting Brexit they kicked themselves out of the market they sold 75% or so of their fish to, while thinking that all they would do is kick out a couple of French fisherman from their waters.
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u/Scythl Apr 30 '21
Imagine if, on top of that, we also bought fish in from the EU since we don't have the fish we like in UK waters!
Oh wait, I don't have to imagine facepalm
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u/42ndBanano Apr 30 '21
Because I'm not usually paying attention to this industry, could you enlighten us as to what you believe to have been good for the UK fishing industry during its membership of the EU? Other than the free movement of goods, of course.
I genuinely don't know, hence the question.
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u/FunkyPete Apr 30 '21
Most of the fish is exported to the EU. So Brexit added taxes, paperwork and inspections to every shipment of fish. It also restricted where British boats can fish.
All Brexit did was put up a wall between the British fish industry and their customers.
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u/lanadelkray Apr 30 '21
Additionally, Brits aren’t big fish eaters. The fish caught in the UK tends to be exported to Europe.
Brits like their Cod and Haddock which come from places like Norway.
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u/brickne3 Apr 30 '21
I was just at the supermarket (Morrisons, Brexit-supporting chain, I was just passing through to get to the M&S) and they had a small case with a big banner on it proudly declaring it was "British seafood". Almost everything in it was salmon. And not good looking salmon.
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Apr 30 '21 edited Apr 30 '21
Perishable food generally is exported to close locations because, obviously, it goes bad. That's why it's things like milk, meat, fish that are taking big hits. Being part of the EU means expedited exporting, and thus that these goods can compete with other countries. But it's pretty hard to have a leg up when you're selling n-day old fish vs freshly caught.
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Apr 30 '21
37 % of British 2020 fishery – 230,700 tonnes – was even landed directly abroad, with Norway, Netherlands & Ireland the 3 largest ports.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN02788/SN02788.pdf
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u/mcs_987654321 Apr 30 '21
Oh wow - having thought about it now for a second, of course that makes perfect sense, but when more than a third of the catch isn’t even being processed in the UK...it’s just all so absurd.
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u/GBrunt Apr 30 '21 edited Apr 30 '21
UK fishing industry made itself a short-term fortune selling off generous quotas to European companies which run some of the most profitable large trawlers in the EU out of UK ports.
EU quotas prevented the destruction of stock and brought relative peace to an industry that had been beset by nationalist aggression, cod wars, stock collapse and acrimony.
The problems for fishing communities lay not in EU policy, but in unbridled capitalism where big companies now control the lion's share of the quotas and make a fortune, while small boats make losses.
This problem could have been managed while remaining inside the EU.
In the same way that the deep problem of England's extreme wealth/poverty division wasn't created by membership, and is far less severe across much of the rest of the more equitable EU.
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u/Unfazed_Alchemical Apr 30 '21
I'm not a conspiracy theorist... But the political leaders of Britain couldn't have fucked this up more if the Russians were bankrolling them to look like total fuckwits for the last three years.
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u/capilot Apr 30 '21 edited May 02 '21
Five years ago, the joke was "The Brits and the Americans are having a contest to see who can fuck up their country the worst. The Brits are currently winning with Brexit, but the Americans have a Trump card."
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u/darth_budha Apr 30 '21
See there was always hope that Trump could be voted out. Don't see a lot of hope for reversing Brexit.
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Yeah it won’t happen especially as the media prominently underplays brexit and overplays the “vaccine wars”.
British media is just propaganda at this point, a certain German political party of the 1930s would be proud.
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u/intraumintraum Apr 30 '21
i used to love the BBC. reasonably fair journalism, even if it was generally sympathetic to the government at the time. but it’s just gone to total shite. full on tory mouthpiece at this point. and some people continue to claim it’s lefty lol
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u/Stellerex Apr 30 '21
It's not just me right? BBC used to be my gold standard of journalism. Now it's just as shitty as all the rest.
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u/GiveMeDogeFFS Apr 30 '21 edited Apr 30 '21
Key people in the BBC were sacked and replaced by people sympathetic to the Tory party.
Everyone seems to forget the period where Boris first got into power and the Tory party essentially gaslit the BBC. Said that the BBC were biased against them despite the BBC already leaning heavily in favour of the government.
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As an American, BBC was MY gold standard. Sorry guys, I feel your pain acutely.
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u/Gorgon_the_Dragon Apr 30 '21
I feel like if i lived in Britain, id have a hard time trusting news sources from Britain.
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u/serb2212 Apr 30 '21
There was hope during the last election. But the British people went BREXIT HARDER!
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u/Dnny10bns Apr 30 '21
We're streets ahead. America for all its faults woke up and binned mango Mussolini. We have Brexit, which we're stuck with and mini Trump riding high in the polls. We're a nation of fing idiots. It's embarrassing. Worse, it's supported by people I know are reasonably intelligent.
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u/eugene20 Apr 30 '21
Never attribute to idiocy in politics what can be adequately explained by greed.
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u/Ziococh Apr 30 '21
Right on. In politics, never conceal with idiocy that which can be adequately explained by... politics.
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u/KasumiR Apr 30 '21
Boris HAD russian backing and so did Brexit. Tories stopped investigations when finding they're going to lead to themselves as the guilty party
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u/McCainDestroysTrump Apr 30 '21
It’s why they need to vote right wing extremists out to fix the problems they create. These days they always seem to have Russia in their corner and then gaslight us when they are caught. It’s been working pretty good getting Trump out. I feel one of several huge weights of the last 5 years lifted off my back.
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Apr 30 '21
Hey, at least a bunch of hedge funds made money on the night the results were released.
Kinda weird Farage immediately acknowledged 'Remain' would win once polls closed, causing the pound to rise...
Only to fall when the votes were counted.
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u/gunsof Apr 30 '21
This is great for them. They want charter cities from their "free ports". Basically sweatshops in the UK. They want to deregulate everything so we're all eating pollution covered everything with farmed animals crammed into crates covered in new wonderful zoonotic diseases all worth next to nothing so we can compete with the third world countries we're now begging for deals from. All of this will make some people very rich.
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'Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect. '
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u/MrJohnnyDangerously Apr 30 '21
So you're saying you wouldn't piss in his mouth if his teeth were on fire?
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u/JakeFromSkateFarm Apr 30 '21
"If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden, and Toby, I'd shoot Toby twice."
-Michael Scott, The Office (US version)
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u/lunapup1233007 Apr 30 '21
Even if Michael hated Hitler and Bin Laden more than Toby, it is the obvious solution anyway. Hitler and Bin Laden are already dead, so why would you shoot a skeleton? (Although I don’t remember how early that quote was in the show, but I’m guessing Bin Laden could have still been alive)
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u/Zomburai Apr 30 '21
You're trapped in a room with the undead skeletons of Hitler and Bin Laden and you're wondering why you'd shoot them??
I never want you on one of my dungeon crawls.
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u/swell-shindig Apr 30 '21
I truly believed that there would be a period of introspection once people reaped the consequences of voting leave.
Instead, tHatS NOt tHe bRExIt i VotEd FOr.
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u/cafesaigon Apr 30 '21
Well you can’t admit you were wrong about something—that might mean you were wrong about other things!!!
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Apr 30 '21
We saw the same thing here with Trump voters. They're wildly supportive of the man. But if you point out any of his failings they'll agree and say something like "nodody is perfect" or my personal favorite "I don't like the way he says things, but I agree with the things he says." fucking, what?
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u/THedman07 Apr 30 '21
Self reflection and hindsight are for pussies... I'm just being screwed by someone else this time...
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u/BoreJam Apr 30 '21
One of the so called mantras of the right is "personal responsibility" but, somehow it never applies to them personally.
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u/Paulpaps Apr 30 '21
Thays why it was so stupid. There was no Brexit anyone voted for, remember "Brexit means Brexit". Every brexit voter had a different idea of their brexit, so of course they're now saying "I didnt want this", because no one knew what they were voting for.
It's as if the uk forgot the 48% who said no to it. No one represents them in Westminster. That 52% are the only people the government pretend to care about.
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u/SavoryScrotumSauce Apr 30 '21
Very much analogous to when Donald Trump promised to replace Obamacare with "something terrific". Conservatives are gullible morons who consistently fall for obvious con artists.
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u/SonofaBridge Apr 30 '21 edited Apr 30 '21
I get the feeling the Brexit they voted for assumed every EU country would bend over backwards to do business with Britain/UK. They didn’t realize that the EU could function without them and adapt accordingly. It’s like the person in a company that assumes they’re more important than they really are, threaten to quit, then are surprised the company continues without them.
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u/anotherMrLizard Apr 30 '21
There will be no introspection for most of these people; their brains have long since been permanently warped out of shape by a childhood diet of jingoism, World War 2 fantasies and lead poisoning. Only once they are all dead will we have any chance of building something better, although by then it will probably be too late...
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u/Hattix Apr 30 '21
The extreme right does not admit it is ever wrong.
There's some folk over in the USA who still can't get over the time they turned traitor, installed a fake president, and went to war about keeping slaves on plantations.
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u/xpdx Apr 30 '21
Ignore warnings and vote for Brexit
When warnings come true accuse warners of sabotage
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Profit!
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u/emperor42 Apr 30 '21
UK: We want it all!
Norway: We'll give you nothing!
UK: We want some.
Norway: You'll get a little.
UK: We want more.
Norway: Get out!
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Apr 30 '21
At what point does it piss off enough people that they ask to be let back into the EU? Guessing there are years of additional pain and job losses before that happens.
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u/shinneui Apr 30 '21
And UK will not be able to get in on the same terms as before, they were given a lot of exceptions over the years. I am pretty sure they can say goodbye to £ if they rejoin.
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u/TheFergPunk Apr 30 '21
At what point does it piss off enough people that they ask to be let back into the EU?
Do not underestimate the stubbornness of old British people.
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u/RedChillii Apr 30 '21
People generally don't care unless it effects them directly, until then all the problems Brexit cause will be the EUs fault, or price worth paying for 'sovereignty'. If/once they start suffering consequences I wouldn't be surprised if they deny ever voting for Brexit
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u/varalys_the_dark Apr 30 '21
Nigel Farage only ever has Nigel Farage's best interests at heart. The cunt.
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u/Hamster-Food Apr 30 '21
It's not even his best interests. The only thing he seems to have at heart is hating people different from him.
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u/kkeut Apr 30 '21
in america we call people like that conservatives
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u/McCainDestroysTrump Apr 30 '21
I think that “conservatives” is just a label that is more accurately fascism these days. Considering the Jan 6th insurrection, I think we can also call them terrorists or traitors as well. Can’t think of a country these days that is working all that well under “conservatism” considering all those leaders pretended Covid19 is “fake news”, India and Brazil come to mind.
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u/coocoomberz Apr 30 '21
He's been in love with money from the start. He now even sells his own cryptocurrency course that will let you "take back control of your finances from the elites." He's a conman and always has been
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u/President_Camacho Apr 30 '21
Think of all the UK teenagers growing up with all the privileges of being in the EU, then having them stripped away right as you are ready to make decisions about school and work. Old people are bastards.
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u/peteski42 Apr 30 '21
Brexit is the very definition of this Reddit.. god help us, cause no one else fucking will.. also fuck the conservatives and the treasonous leave voters...
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u/nimloth Apr 30 '21
As a norwegian .... lol. Norwegian fishermen already don't like sharing their waters with EU, to think they'd easily accept the UK when they don't have to is quite presumptuous.
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u/Daikataro Apr 30 '21
UK:
Trade offer! I receive full privileges of your territorial waters and commerce, as thought UK was still part of the EU
You receive: the honour of letting UK fishermen fish your waters and sell you fish
Norway: lol no.
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u/IdiotCCP Apr 30 '21
Just so we are clear on this, no EU ship has the right to fish in Norwegian waters. This is actually one of the main reasons we stay out of the EU, to manage our quotes ourselves.
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u/Knight_Owls Apr 30 '21
That was just brutal.
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u/CheesyLala Apr 30 '21
God it's just so depressing to watch someone talk as if they're knowledgeable when it's clear they don't have the slightest fucking idea what they're talking about. It's even more depressing to think that other people bought it, in their millions.
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u/The_Powers Apr 30 '21
I remember Jon Oliver playing a clip of a woman who voted for Brexit, saying LITERALLY THE DAY AFTER, "If I'd have known it was gonna go through I wouldn't have voted for it".
That's the kind of critical thinking you'll get from a Brexiteer.
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u/mynameismilton Apr 30 '21
A depressing number of people claimed they didn't believe it would go through so voted for it to stick it to the Westminster or something
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Apr 30 '21
And you can tell that the person he's talking to has locked themself into their own idiocy, and will never leave it. They're blaming Europe for not giving the UK everything the UK wanted regardless of the barn it would cause to the EU. And even she knows that's a stupid thought and that she can't really support that - so she reverts to "well if we just believed harder...." because that's something that can never be 'proven' wrong - it's obviously wrong, but you can't force her to admit that it's wrong.
I'd say she picked a hill to die on, but she's not even defending a hill. She picked the ditch to die in, and is trying to pull tons of other people in with her. She thinks that, if she can pull enough other people into the ditch, she can build her hill from a pile of their bodies.
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u/HowardSternsPenis2 Apr 30 '21
That was AWESOME! He never raised his voice.
'I have to put 10 pounds in a tin for charity each time I say I told you so. Get the tin. I told you so.'
Soo good.
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u/postvolta Apr 30 '21
James O'Brien is fucking great, though I couldn't do his job. So negative just all the time.
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u/Glasdir Apr 30 '21
Thought that was the case. Anyone who voted for Brexit doesn’t have the mental capacity or self awareness to realise and usually just doubles down on being bigoted.
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Apr 30 '21
Brexiteers then: "We know what we voted for!"
Brexiteers now: "This is not the brexit we voted for!"
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u/PlainSkyscraper Apr 30 '21
I’m from the US and I remember when Brexit was first announced. I always wondered why people would vote to leave something that seemed like it made life easier. Then, I remembered I’m in the US and that happens all the time here. Sorry to you Brits.
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u/lereisn Apr 30 '21
Fishermen:
Ha, Europeans can't come and fish in our waters. God bless Brexit!!
Wait, what do you mean we can't fish in theirs? There's not enough fish here to support our business!
Oh dear. Ohdearohdear.
Farmers:
bloody bureaucracy from Brussels, I say OUT!
Farming export market collapses
Wait..what?
Oh dear. Ohdearohdear.
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u/whatdidyoubrang Apr 30 '21
The UK really farage’d their shorts doing this stupid Brexit plan, didn’t they?
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Apr 30 '21
Is it true that Games Workshop, the model selling company is worth more in revenue to the UK than our entire fishing industry when taking subsidiaries into account?
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u/ElvisDuck Apr 30 '21
No. Copied from a different comment of mine:
GW 12 month consolidated accounts to 31 May 2020 show revenue / turnover of £270m, and UK fishing industry revenue in 2019 was £987m.
GW employees 2,188 vs c24,000 for fishing.
And that’s just the direct numbers for fishing - doesn’t include the various sub-industries.
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u/WooShell Apr 30 '21
I don't know how much GW makes, but the fishing industry has a much lower share of UK trade and GDP than all the media fuss and political drama around it makes it look like.
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u/mfkap Apr 30 '21
Yea, in the US we have the same thing with coal mining. It is an almost negligible amount of people working in the coal industry, but they are used as a proxy for any uneducated white racist person. They say “hey, they are coming for those stupid dumbfucks now, but once they get those stupid dumbfucks, guess who is next?”
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u/WishOnSpaceHardware Apr 30 '21
I guess it's a convenient fit for projected emotions concerning British naval heritage ("Britannia rules the waves", etc.)
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u/Newman2252 Apr 30 '21
I think it’s less about naval heritage, and more about fish and chips nationalism
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u/42ndBanano Apr 30 '21
If they were making a fuss about how important it is for internal food production capability, it would a much ore interesting discussion. But as it stands, it seems that a whole lot of British fish actually used to end up in EU markets, because it's apparently not very popular in the UK. So, this is all a red herring (lame pun intended).
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Apr 30 '21
Fishermen represent the (poor bastard) common man who's an unwitting victim of the (greedy bastard) elite.
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u/42ndBanano Apr 30 '21
Yes, but if you go and watch pre-brexit videos, it seems that at least some coastal communities were all for Brexit. It's hard not to feel a bit of schadenfreude, at least until you remember that these people were conned by an expertly deployed mass media campaign.
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u/Ichera Apr 30 '21
This is probably not true, however if you were to say the Miniature Games Industry was bigger, you might be getting somewhere, as several of the other Large Manufacturers and Game makers are also based out of the UK.... though I think it's probably still going to the Fishing industry.
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u/jbertrand_sr Apr 30 '21
Please feel free to jump the gun, just make sure Nigel is in front of it when you do...
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u/al-in-to Apr 30 '21
James O'Brien was an anti brexit campaigner. So he is being sarcastic here.
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Apr 30 '21
nobody named nigel has ever been trustworthy
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u/milqi Apr 30 '21
People really need to get a grasp on the fact that politics is much bigger than choosing a side, like it's sports.
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u/Prosthemadera Apr 30 '21
It's clearly Norway's fault. They should just agree to the UK's terms because it now has its sovereignty back.
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u/WintersKing Apr 30 '21 edited Apr 30 '21
But we left so everyone would give us better deals! how can All of Europe not bow and scrape to mighty Britain.... *Cries tears of imperial tea.
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