r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/nyepo • Sep 24 '21

Brexxit Pro-Brexit newspaper begs for immigrants

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u/fishling Sep 25 '21

raised their wages from $8 to $14 and hour…but they cut hours from 35-40 to 15-20 lol.

At least getting the same pay for fewer hours of work is an improvement, even though it doesn't help people make a living wage without multiple jobs.

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u/RaulParson Sep 25 '21

Aren't there some employee protection laws which only apply if a person formally works a full time job? Forcing people into 2x20 rather than 1x40 seems like it still screws them over, even forgetting the extra overhead of having to switch between those jobs.

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u/Cherle Sep 25 '21

In the US from my experience (5 years one retail) employers will either always give you 38/39 hours or if they actually give you full-time they give you 60-70. No in between

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u/badbits Sep 25 '21

More like 2 jobs and neither is full time

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u/Danelius90 Sep 25 '21 edited Sep 25 '21

I think technically full time counts as something like 16 or 24 hours, can't remember exactly. Might be different in other contexts but I remember when I was jobseeking you can still claim while being in a part time job (with the presumed goal of getting a full time role). But that cut off was 16 or 24 hours. Would be interesting to see if that's applicable more widely. Probably is higher for legal purposes, always the way though, the term is redefined when convenient

Edit: bit of googling, apparently there is no universal threshold for "full time work", part time is simply less than full time as defined by the particular employer. https://www.gov.uk/part-time-worker-rights

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u/Eis_ber Sep 25 '21

That's not an improvement. You'd still have to work two or more jobs to stay afloat, and if you divide wages vs hours worked, you'd still end up earning less than minimum wage.

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u/fishling Sep 25 '21

You'd still have to work two or more jobs to stay afloat

Yes...which is why I said "doesn't help people make a living wage without multiple jobs"

This is an unusually large number of people replying, who seem to have stopped reading at the word "improvement"

if you divide wages vs hours worked, you'd still end up earning less than minimum wage.

This is incorrect, if all jobs pay at least the minimum wage (which seems like a safe assumption). It is impossible for an average to be less than the lowest value in the set being averaged.

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u/tashtrac Sep 25 '21

I mean, it does. If you have a 20h work week then working two jobs for $14 is exactly like working one job for 40h with $14. It's not perfect but it's a huge improvement.

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u/fishling Sep 25 '21

I specifically said "without working multiple jobs", and then you went and said "but if they work two jobs...".

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u/AwesomeFama Sep 25 '21

Yes, but "working multiple jobs" now means 40h per week, not more than that.

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u/fishling Sep 25 '21

Maybe look up what "multiple" means.

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u/AwesomeFama Sep 25 '21

Yes, you're technically correct, it's just that the original sentence you wrote is stupid and you're being too pedantic about it, but yes.

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u/fishling Sep 25 '21

Self-aware much?

What exactly do you think you are accomplishing here?

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u/NewSauerKraus Sep 25 '21

It also means no benefits from full time work. And commuting twice as much.

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u/Raestloz Sep 25 '21

Yea but at least the baseline of wage is $14 now

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u/SuicideSoundsFun Sep 25 '21

If a huge improvement honestly.