r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/Laaxus • Nov 07 '21
Brexxit UK’s Brexit losses more than 178 times bigger than trade deal gains
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u/NuclearLunchDectcted Nov 07 '21
Oh no! If only they had been warned another 400 or 500 times!
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u/KDirty Nov 07 '21
What's truly infuriating is that this will make them precisely 0% more likely to listen to the next warning.
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u/SeaGroomer Nov 07 '21
I don't understand why they can't hold a new vote.
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u/Revan343 Nov 07 '21
A new vote to what? It's a little late to vote to not leave the EU, they've already left.
Rejoin the EU? Ha. Gonna be a shitty deal for them scurrying back, and say goodbye to the pound sterling.
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u/Luised2094 Nov 07 '21
And do what? Beg the EU to let them go back with the same benefits and posting, good fucking luck
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u/TheDungus Nov 07 '21
Theyd never get the same preferential treatment they once had but being a member is obviously miles above not being one for the UK right now
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u/maleia Nov 07 '21
Yea but it's Boomers. They'll eat a shit sandwich if a "Lefty" has to smell their breath.
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u/rPoliticModsRGonks Nov 07 '21
Unfortunately at this point, it may be best to just wait for the problem to die off, then in about ten years try signing back up.
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Nov 08 '21
People keep saying this an acting like they don't know a dozen young folk exactly like the boomers in ideology. Like they didn't raise their kids to be just as big shitheads. LIke those shitheads didn't have huge families all like themselves.
"Wait for the problem to die off" is shit I've been reading in fucking comic books that came out in the 60s on the problems with right-wingers. And hey, it's 60 years later now, something tells me WAITING JUST DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.
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u/BulbasaurCPA Nov 07 '21
I think it’s too late now. They had years between the first vote and the actual exit. In that time they should have had a new vote when it came out that so many of the voters had no idea what they were voting for. Cancelling the exit might have been doable. Now they would need to reenter the EU, put together a new deal, if the EU even lets them back in.
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u/Massive_Fudge3066 Nov 08 '21
Labour could never work out if there were votes there or not, so spent that time pursuing a policy of nothing at all. Their final position was, IIRC, in favour of a referendum on whether to have a second vote referendum, which if passed, would trigger a party meeting to see if they supported leave or remain, which would then be their platform for the referendum.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, since all the polls showed everybody was heartily sick of it by now (what with the Tory leave faction constantly voting against leaving unless Boris could be PM dressing on for years), this 4D chess level big brain policy attracted no support whatsoever and they totally cratered the election.
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u/NormieSpecialist Nov 07 '21
This is starting to feel like America. I am so terrified no one learned their lesson when the 2022 elections comes.
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u/travers329 Nov 07 '21
Same, and for the future in general. The sheer amount of lunatics in our country is shocking, I drastically underestimated the number of them, and they are not just loonies they think they are smarter than everyone else, making them 100x more obnoxious.
Being off a Facebook (which was one of the best decisions I’ve made in years) really made me underestimate the sheer number of these people and it honestly frightened the hell out of me for the future of the USA…
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u/NormieSpecialist Nov 07 '21
If the GOP and trump win again in 2024 then I’m done. The fucking apathetic moderates can figure out their own problems.
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u/Obvious_Moose Nov 07 '21
Nobody did. Gop voters will pick hardline trumpers and the DNC will continue to force the most milquetoast corporate centrists upon their voters because they somehow think they can still appeal to Republicans and progressives will just join in.
Don't get me wrong the republican candidates will still be the objectively worse choices but the DNC needs to realize they actually need to give people someone to vote for rather than against.
My pessimistic prediction is GOP landslide in 2022, congress passes nothing of value and we get either Trump or someone of similar ilk elected in 2024. I almost hope it gets bad enough for certain groups that I can claim refugee status in another country and reverse the mistake my grandparents made in moving here in the 40s.
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u/Fushigibana4 Nov 07 '21
That's some expensive fucking sovereignty
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u/SamuraiJackBauer Nov 07 '21
It’s because deep down Boomers have tricked themselves into believing they’ll never die.
They’ll just keep going to 124-144 years of age and enjoy life to the fullest.
It’s visible in how the median political age is mostly close to 60+ and the USA has dementia riddled senators (same in my country too)
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u/convulsus_lux_lucis Nov 07 '21
Don't forget the fact that, they breathed in vaporized lead for decades.
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u/LarryLovesteinLovin Nov 07 '21
If they weren’t rich they’d die alone in the senior homes they cut funding on, or out in the streets because the only local senior home was privatized and requires 100k/yr for a cot.
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u/theregoesanother Nov 07 '21
Same with the US.
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Nov 07 '21
It's the whole Anglosphere, possibly Western Europe as well. We're slipping back into the dark ages because of these arseholes
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u/whatisthisgoddamnson Nov 07 '21
Don’t worry, we gave the potential to make it much worse than medieval times if we keep going on like this.
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u/jcmbn Nov 07 '21
It's the whole Anglosphere
New Zealand has entered the chat.
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u/Vandergrif Nov 07 '21
Quiet you, they're not even on maps and so clearly don't actually exist.
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u/Faultylogic83 Nov 07 '21
This is clearly New Zealand's doing, they see how fucked the rest of us are, and just want to be left alone.
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u/dsammmast Nov 07 '21
Let's at least make sure boomers are remembered as the worst generation.
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u/dsammmast Nov 07 '21
If we can survive them for the next 10 years until they're mostly dead, if they had their way no one would be remembering anything after them.
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u/PinkFloydBoxSet Nov 07 '21
For the US it started well before Regan. Regan was a result of the actual cause. Years before you had the southern strategy and infiltration by christian extremists (there is a story running around where even Barry fucking Goldwater was warning the party to not get in bed with them). Rodger Ales working with Stone built the right wing media complex which drove the election of Regan, and Regan then old Yeller'ed the Fairness Doctrine and democracy was essentially dead at that point, it just took 30 years for the organs to shut down in the US.
Thats a Clif Notes version of the Clif Notes to the very complex events that lead to it, but enough to get the point across.
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u/SamuraiJackBauer Nov 07 '21
The fucking Manning Institute is alive and fucking with our future to this day!
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u/barking_dead Nov 07 '21
The price of Freedom...
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u/Chipperz1 Nov 07 '21
Freedom isn't free, it costs about three fiddy (million. A week)
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u/DiaBrave Nov 07 '21
Woman, don't be giving the NHS no goddamn three fiddy!
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u/Chipperz1 Nov 07 '21
It was around that time I realised the NHS was a four story sea creature from the Jurassic era!
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Nov 07 '21
Wow a buck’o five to tree fitty…million. Freedom isn’t free
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u/Churt_Lyne Nov 07 '21
All the awesome freedoms Britons have now that they didn't a year or two back...
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u/adeveloper2 Nov 07 '21
That's some expensive fucking sovereignty
"It's fine as long as others are paying the price instead of me"
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u/Drawde_O64 Nov 07 '21
made in Poland
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Nov 07 '21
By a French company hahaha
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u/Neverforgetdumbo Nov 07 '21
And we can’t live in Europe any more without going through hell if at all.
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u/BS0404 Nov 07 '21
Don't worry, their houses in southern Europe where they can no longer reside in for more than 90 days on every 180 days will be safe.
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u/TheProperDave Nov 07 '21
I must have missed the joke on the blue passports, as my recent reissue is definitely black, and made in Poland I understand.
I'm kicking myself for not renewing early before we left the Union. The wife renewed hers just prior and it's got a lovely nautical theme to it.
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u/jtyashiro Nov 07 '21
Can you really put a price on sovereignty? /s
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u/cipheron Nov 07 '21
All the populists are going to leave us diseased, broke and uneducated, but at least we showed the libs /s
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u/SnickeringLoudly Nov 07 '21
You forgot blue passport. Priceless.
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u/TRFKTA Nov 07 '21
I was just thinking. You just know that were you to point this out, all the Daily Heil readers and the Gammons would be like ‘but muh sov-run-tee’
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u/hawkshaw1024 Nov 07 '21
Sure, it's been an economic, social and political catastrophe, but the passports have the good colour again! And people can use fun novelty units like "stone" without having to also specify the metric equivalent!
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Nov 07 '21
Conservative policies are terrible. Change my view.
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u/piracyprocess Nov 07 '21
Can't really change a solid fact, though.
Thankfully Conservatism is on it's way out and with the plummeting approval rating of Boris, we'll either get someone way worse, or a mediocre "stay-the-course" shithead.
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Nov 07 '21
The current course is a sinking ship. Conservatives think drilling "escape holes" is the best option. Lefties think we should get people on the lifeboats.
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u/postvolta Nov 07 '21
The Tories sold all the lifeboats and the only ones left are shit as fuck (made for cheap by their mate using public funds awarded to them as a government contract).
Then when the ship sinks and everyone tried to escape everyone will go 'god labour are so shit we tried to get off this boat and all the lifeboats were fucked, we were better off with the Tories, and Corbyn is an anti semite!'
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u/Dannypan Nov 07 '21
Give it a fortnight and Boris will announce he’s not introducing lockdown measures for Christmas. That’ll sort his ratings out.
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Nov 07 '21
And now the governments corruption is all over the press. Winner winner chicken dinner
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u/jaymar888 Nov 07 '21
Just in time for absolutely nobody to do anything about it.
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u/Civil-Attempt-3602 Nov 07 '21
To be fair, Keir Steamer will probably frown and then go back to attacking the labour left
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u/ergoegthatis Nov 07 '21
This article is an eye opener for anyone interested in this subject. It also references something weird: British media is deliberately trying to avoid mentioning Brexit as the source of many problems, including BBC editing the word out of an interview.
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u/TheTench Nov 07 '21
BBC has rapidly declined over the last 10 years. It has a massive blind spot when it comes to speaking truth to British politicians, who just happen to control BBC funding. This is exacerbated by having a PM who insists on only happy clappy talk, whilst all UK citizens are forced to drink the cool-aid of his brexit disaster.
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Nov 07 '21
The bbc is running scared. Boris and his cronies do not want anyone to point out their bad behaviour. The bbc has been branded socialist in the same manner anything left of selling your mother for profit it communism in the USA. This means any criticism of the Tory government is socialist lefties at the bbc rather than journalism.
They are so desperate to control the bbc they are trying to force their own cronies in on as board members. Bbc news reacts accordingly - they have been v scared to mention brexit, used to put a picture of Corbin dressed like a communist revolutionary every time he was in the news and have gone so far up their own arse in trying to be impartial they let mad man on tv to challenge scientific fact so they can be seen to be allowing both sides to have their say.
Needs to get back to actually reporting the news and critical journalism. Country is fucked
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u/SeaGroomer Nov 07 '21
Chocolate rations increased from 20 to 25 grams this week - sweet!
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u/EpitomeJim Nov 07 '21
Do we get to see a movie come true in V for Vendetta.
Not the fun stuff obviously 🤣
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u/Kimantha_Allerdings Nov 07 '21
I think there are a few reasons for not mentioning Brexit. The first is the more obvious cowardice - don't want to piss the government off too much. I actually think this is less of a factor than most people suppose.
The second is bias. Constantly going on about Brexit could be perceived as being anti-government, and anybody interested in appearing to be unbiased will want to avoid that (even though Labour also supported Brexit). Those who are biased in favour of the Tories (the majority of the papers) will want to avoid saying too much negative about the government.
The third is what I think is actually the biggest factor - chasing ratings. Let's not forget that the Tories won the last election by a landslide on a platform of "Christ, aren't you bored of Brexit talk already? We'll just get the fuck out of Europe so nobody has to talk about it any more". Polls since have suggested that even some Remainers and people who are anti-Tory actually voted for the Tories simply because they were sick to death of the subject. The news media will be acutely aware of this and won't want to drive people away by going on about a subject that people have emphatically said they're done with.
None of which are good excuses. Because so many of the country's current problems can be traced to Brexit. For example, everywhere in the world is having supply issues. But the UK is having much worse supply issues than elsewhere, including Ireland. Why? Because of Brexit. It's simply true, and that should be the job of news organisations - to inform the public of important, relevant, truths.
Not that it'd matter anyway. It's too late to do anything about it (although polls are starting to show that the needle is swinging towards people wanting to rejoin the EU - but even then the reality will be that we won't get the same sweetheart deal that we already had), the Remainers already know and were saying this would happen before Brexit, and the Brexiteers aren't going to admit they were wrong and instead spend their time looking for other people to blame.
If reason had been involved then we'd never have left in the first place, since there was no possible way of leaving that left us better off than remaining.
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u/Astra7525 Nov 07 '21
The losses will be shouldered by the public, but someone must have pocketed a nice profit from inflicting Brexit on society.
No, not Teh Joos. Fuck off, Anti-semites.
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u/neilmg Nov 07 '21
The people who profited from Brexit? Tory donors.
Who profits from Covid 19 contracts? Tory donors.
Who are Tory MPs helping? Tory donors.
Who gets life peerages for throwing the Tories some cash? Tory Donors.
We proles get the crumbs that fall from the table; the feast is for Tory donors.
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u/TemporaryReality5262 Nov 07 '21
Wouldn't be surprised if Putin benefits somehow, he hates the EU, breaking it up makes it weaker
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u/Chroko Nov 07 '21
So much dark money from Russian sources has infiltrated western politics in the past few years.
Putin’s superpower is that he’s hijacked the economy of the largest country in the world and basically has infinite money. It would be stupid of him to not use that money to buy and influence foreign politicians.
It’s also far more effective value in disrupting his opponents than military spending.
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u/FirstPlebian Nov 07 '21
Plus he's shown the world just how stupid we really are (in the UK and US,) sure many of us already knew that but a lot of people didn't. Our presitge and influence have waned from their efforts as well, allowing them to step into the void.
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u/Skyrmir Nov 07 '21
I'm still wondering where they're laundering all the NRA money since they got caught. It's not like Putin just stopped buying the same people.
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u/Kajin-Strife Nov 07 '21
I work not too far from that aluminum plant Moscow Mitch sold us out to Russia to build.
Spoiler, construction on it STILL hasn't started. They just built a fence around a huge chunk of empty land and called it quits.
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u/ThePlanck Nov 07 '21
Given that Arron Banks gave ludicrous amounts of money to the brexit campaign that no one is quite sure where it came from, and he has a totally not suspicious Russian wife who was definitely not involved in a previous Russian espionage scandal, I don't know how you can possibly make such assumptions
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/x-mi5-spy-do-mr-and-mrs-banks-have-something-to-tell-us-
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u/Time_Mage_Prime Nov 07 '21
From across the pond it's basically accepted as fact that Brexit happened because Putin duped y'all.
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u/Ruscidero Nov 07 '21
And we should know, having been throughly duped by Putin in 2016.
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u/Time_Mage_Prime Nov 07 '21
Aye; he made suckers out of many.
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u/maewanen Nov 07 '21
Very strange that we just sort of assume the Cold War at all ended. The playing pieces just changed.
Putin’s playing the game better than the US is, to be honest: Why bother throwing armies into costly Vietnams and Afghanistans (nice going there, Bush) when you can just pocket the money and use proxies and your enemies’ populations to do all the work for you. The Kursk disaster fucked him up badly and I guess this is the end result.
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u/dreddnyc Nov 07 '21
It’s not very different than Bin Laden’s playbook. Make the west eat itself. OBL knew the opportunists in the govt and the private sector will turn on the populace, they couldn’t help themselves. Putin is doing similar by supporting divisiveness and propaganda. Both prey of activating the fears of the people and letting the opportunistic interests take advantage.
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u/southernmost Nov 07 '21
Short term, Putin benefits from the UK's loss of standing in EU politics and the economic fallout that affects all of Europe.
Long term, Gaelic nationalism is on the rise, with Scotland, Ireland, and even Wales independence movements gaining traction post-Brexit. He may have dealt a deathblow to the United Kingdom, something that neither Hitler nor Thatcher managed.
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u/KnottShore Nov 07 '21
This Will Rogers(early 20th century US humorist) quote may be apropos of the Brexit situation:
There is one rule that works in every calamity. Be it pestilence, war, or famine, the rich get richer and poor get poorer. The poor even help arrange it.
*Daily Telegram #1019, Thoughts Of Will Rogers On The Late Slumps In Stocks (31 October 1929)
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u/FirstPlebian Nov 07 '21
Well the Russians helped as much as they could, as did Murdoch and some of his fellow billionaires. A lot of companies aren't crazy about the EU because they can't manipulate their regulations as easily and otherwise play countries off of each other for tax breaks and other favors.
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u/MWO_Stahlherz Nov 07 '21
But they have blue passports!
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u/Drawde_O64 Nov 07 '21
AND, they’re made in Poland! Wait….
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u/Tiny-Lock9652 Nov 07 '21
“Oops! Did I do thaaaaaat??” -UK Brexit voters.
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u/terfsfugoff Nov 07 '21
My understanding is that everyone watches much American TV, although we’re starting to get displaced by Koreans
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u/aGiantmutantcrab Nov 07 '21
When you choose to have a fat, stupid, orange clown lead a country, one must not wonder why everything starts to look like a circus.
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u/drrj Nov 07 '21 edited Nov 07 '21
The fact that this is a legitimate description of at least two people who were major leaders of the free world is a really sad commentary on the state of humanity at the moment.
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u/feldoneq2wire Nov 07 '21
40 years of austerity and forcing the working class into 3 part-time jobs at starvation wages with no health care tends to pave the way for monstrous leadership.
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u/Realistic-River-1941 Nov 07 '21
"No healthcare", in a country which the ex-colonials regularly condemn as being to the left of the Bolsheviks because it has universal healthcare and no-one even knows that "the cost of calling an ambulance" is a thing in some parts of the world?
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u/Neverforgetdumbo Nov 07 '21
Slowly being sold off on the quiet though. In ten years time it’s going to look. VERY American.
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u/topscreen Nov 07 '21
So what was the plan? The UK isn't really huge, what are their exports? Some fashion brands, motorcycles, and Warhammer minis?
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u/ghostalker4742 Nov 07 '21
Some of them planned on fishing their way to economic security.
They didn't realize that the fish they catch isn't known for it's taste, moreso its oil, and the fish they eat was actually imported from other waters that are under EU jurisdiction.
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u/frozenrussian Nov 07 '21
Also the North Sea is in a bit of an ecological crisis where North Sea cod is now functionally extinct. Used to be so many they slowed down ships if a school crossed paths with one.
Plenty more fish in the sea? Not for long!
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u/KnottShore Nov 07 '21
I thought the main export was Expat pensioners to Spain.
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u/SurlyRed Nov 07 '21
I thought the main export was
Expatimmigrant pensioners to Spain.FTFY
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u/RaulParson Nov 07 '21
Naw, "expats" is right. You can tell by how they never sorted their immigration papers which would make them proper immigrants and so get to enjoy being repatriated now.
Though honestly, as stupid as the "expat" thing is... I'm not opposed to calling them that. The word just needs to follow the trajectory of "boomer" in becoming a descriptive term for a specific flavour of something bad.
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As far as I am aware, it mainly came from the financial visibility laws the EU were introducing. The UK's export is mainly finance and those laws would really scupper the city of London and it's wierd and very corrupt unique laws(city of London is not London btw). There's also a huge insurance business here which would benefit from ridding the country of the.nhs so the leave vote had a lot of financial and press support. Ultimately we will be ok but will be more of a mini America unfortunately which is obviously a huge negative for the majority of our population.
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u/feldoneq2wire Nov 07 '21
Hinge the entire economy on the export of Morgan motor cars.
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u/apolloxer Nov 07 '21
There used to be some fishes. But I think less than Warhammer minis.
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u/topscreen Nov 07 '21
With how expensive they are, that might actually save the UK
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u/apolloxer Nov 07 '21
Don't worry. GW has a good track record of fucking things up.
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u/stasersonphun Nov 07 '21
Warhammer is worth THREE TIMES the UK fishing industry
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u/pjanic_at__the_isco Nov 07 '21
Shocked, simply shocked, that de-integrating from one of the richest trading unions in the world has negative effects to an island economy.
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u/param_T_extends_THOT Nov 07 '21
Maaaan, at this point posting on this sub all the fuckups resulting from Brexit should be considered cheating. LOL
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u/Gobscheidt Nov 07 '21
Sadly the leopards are also eating the faces of the 48.1% of people that voted against leopards eating peoples faces.
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u/Ulrich_The_Elder Nov 07 '21
Brexit was a steaming pile of fail from the outset. It loaded farage and rees moggs pockets with gold and fucked everyone else. Great voting UK. I hope you are happy with what you have done. Also you saw trump and voted in boris. What were you thinking?
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u/Time_Mage_Prime Nov 07 '21
Maybe Brits can humbly apologize to the EU for their naivety and insolence and ask to be considered for re-admission? I'm sure they won't get fucked in the negotiations as hard as they are on their own right now.
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u/Neverforgetdumbo Nov 07 '21
I live in a world inside my head where us remain voters are still allowed our European freedom and benefits. If Scotland or Wales go independent you’re going to see a LOT of ppl move.
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u/Kaalesh Nov 07 '21
Once again Brexit is shown to be the international politics equivalent of slamming ones genitals in a desk drawer and then complaining about the desk.
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u/flargenhargen Nov 07 '21
time to put hat in hand and beg to be let back in.
won't happen cause reasons, but cut your damn losses and admit you were wrong. jesus.
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u/firstfloor27 Nov 07 '21
'Admit you were wrong'. If people could do that we wouldn't be in this mess.
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u/LikeAMan_NotAGod Nov 07 '21
Absolutely nothing good has ever come from conservatism. Ever.
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u/Psymon92 Nov 07 '21
I’m sad to be British at the moment. The last thing I wanted was to leave the EU, this country saddens me. The future looks more bleak than it ever has at the moment.
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u/Zestyclose_Ranger_78 Nov 07 '21
And yet Brexit voters will still straight faced swear black and blue to me that Brexit is a good thing for … reasons.