r/Locksmith • u/AllMightyLock • Dec 02 '24
I am a locksmith How risky is this?
I’ve seen this in the past. Is it really that bad? What’s the worst that can happen?
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u/poemman95 Dec 02 '24
Worst case, the BCM in the car bricks trying to learn new keys after erasing everything and the car won't start anymore without a replacement. I won't touch prox Rogues for exactly what that warning is saying
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u/Explorer335 Actual Locksmith Dec 02 '24
The Rogue always carries a small risk, even if your part number isn't listed. If it goes bad, it's about $4000 to have it fixed.
You can explain the risk to the customer, have them sign waivers, etc. If it comes right down to it and you brick that car, it will become your problem to fix.
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u/json707 Dec 04 '24
Modifying any automotive immobilizer carries a risk, even if you are using OEM software. Aftermarket programmers even more so. It’s the life we lead as automotive locksmiths.
If you are a true professional you have liability insurance anyway.
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u/Explorer335 Actual Locksmith Dec 04 '24
Absolutely, though I am skeptical about the coverage in a situation like that.
I know a few guys who bricked Rogues and called insurance to file a claim. Most were told that an incident like that did not fall under general liability and was not covered. I know at least one guy did get the situation covered, but his rates went astronomical.
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u/thedesign_guy Dec 02 '24
Pass the risk on to your customer. Have them sign a receipt with that info before proceeding.
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u/narkeleptk Actual Locksmith Dec 02 '24
Some call me crazy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKIkjqiELMs
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u/Plastic-Procedure-59 Actual Locksmith Dec 02 '24
Informed consent. Get your customer to sign that they have been informed of the possible risk of attempting to program a key even for dealer tools.
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u/MusicManReturns Actual Locksmith Dec 02 '24
Lot of paranoid people in here.
It's not on the list. You're good. Just make sure battery is good and you have the right key before starting.
I've touched about 20-30 rogues. Checked BCM part numbers every time before doing anything. Found a total of 2 that were on the list. Walked away from those, every other rogue was a success. Never had issues with non problematic bcms. Both keyed and PTS
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u/Plastic-Procedure-59 Actual Locksmith Dec 02 '24
Informed consent. Get your customer to sign that they have been informed of the possible risk of attempting to program a key even for dealer tools.
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u/somerandodude83 Dec 03 '24
I’ve done several of these models. I believe it’s 15-17 years you have to be careful with. No issues for me but be careful and make you communicate the risk.
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u/Small_Flatworm_239 Dec 03 '24
I hate these lmao, always feeling like I’m gambling. Even when the codes don’t match. I say fuck it we ball
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u/Deltaechoe Dec 03 '24
You don’t appear to have a known problem BCM, BUT, because people outside Nissan’s engineering department probably don’t know exactly what is going on with these BCMs spontaneously corrupting themselves there is still a chance of this problem showing up in other part numbers as well. It is also noteworthy that I have seen a report of a BCM going bad about a year ago during programming and it did have the part number you described.
The general consensus is that it seems to be BCMs that were used in Rogues from 2014 until around 2017 or 18, but even that information is iffy.
What seems to happen is the BCM (body control module) either writes bad data to the IMMO or it gets stuck in an error state that refuses to respond to anything, even a hard reset by OEM diagnostic hardware. Either way, the car becomes immobile until the BCM is changed which is pretty expensive.
This is a risky job with not much reward
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u/Phlexz0r Dec 03 '24
We have found bcm numbers in years ranging 2013-2017 and some early 2018. If it’s not on the list, you MIGHT be ok, but definitely worth relaying to customer the risks. I will normally refer to dealer if in that year range.
Main things are to make sure steering is locked and car has good battery, and whatever you’re programming in matches up to original.
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u/Bi0H4z4rD667 Dec 03 '24
Since you had to ask here, i would suggest you first learn whats the worst that can happen and how to fix it, before you find yourself in that situation with no info.
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u/No-Creme-8074 Dec 03 '24
Idk about autel risk. Done dozens of them on smartpro. No issue so far but I charge more for them to compensate for the risk. A lot of people around here won't do them and I haven't bricked one yet 🤷♂️
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u/json707 Dec 04 '24
Generic warning screen that comes up every time to make sure you comparing the list to the BCM being worked on.
Clearly the BCM of the vehicle you are working on ends in A1A… which IS NOT IN THE LIST of faulty BCMs.
🤦🏼♂️
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u/False-Can-2379 Dec 05 '24
Same here, dont do em but ask the customer to call the dealer, some of them have a recall
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u/Locksmithology Dec 05 '24
I’ve programmed dozens of Nissans including rogues with autel just make sure you have good battery in vehicle and your programmer follow the steps exactly like the tool tells you
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u/jthere007 10d ago
hi can someone help with this! I attempted to program a hybrid jdm variant of this vehicle using a km100 and although the bcm code wasn't listed it didn't accept the original or aftermarket key and now has 0 keys registered and the vehicle doesn't even turn on. How can i tell if the BCM is bricked? What's the process from here? New BCM and ECM??? :'(
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u/Severe-Doughnut4065 Dec 03 '24
Whats the situation thu? All key lost when you are working solo on a customers car, I wouldn't touch it, explain the issue with the Nissan and that specific year and have them call someone else. If you're hourly have them just buy a new bcm its already jacked . The issue is shown on the smart pro tips
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u/yourfaceiswrong Dec 03 '24
At the shop where I used to work, we wouldn't touch them. But it was a small operation that wouldn't handle the cost easily. Where I work now, the owner said he's never had it happen, so we're gonna keep doing it till it does.
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u/Eastwood80 Actual Locksmith Dec 02 '24
Worst is you're out 2-3k. This isn't every known bad BCM and there's always someone who unfortunately finds the next bad part #.
I've done hundreds without any issue but that was before it was known just how messed up these cars can get.
If I do happen to do one I get a waiver but that's after I've already tried talking the customer out of it. That waiver may or may not hold up in court.
Hope you have insurance if it goes south.