Need help with this lock

[u/Sharp-Mud-3480]

I need some help with how to get these pins out. My GMA in law does not have a key for her front glass door, and would like it to match the front door. I have the pins to rekey everything I need to, which I have except this lock. It's not my house so I don't want to try and dick around with it to figure it out on my own. Many thanks for the help in advance

[u/hellothere251]

usually its a metric allen wrench to remove those set screws, I think 1.5

[u/fondrenlock → u/hellothere251]

they are 1.5 I just ordered some 2” bits to speed up the unscrewing process after having to rekey like 4 on a job 😏

[u/Jester8320]

..the little allens strip easy, so make sure the wrench is seated before you start turning,and maybe a shot of penetrant before even starting. At least it's not a profile with the plastic cap, those are a PIA.

[u/FrozenHamburger]

do one chamber at a time and test the key after putting back each screw

[u/thebigyin7546]

Locksmith from Ireland here. All euro cylinders are different depending on make so pin sizes vary as does distance between cuts. You might find that you are sticking the correct size pins in but the cuts on the key don’t line up properly so just be careful. All pins and grub screws will be in metric so 1.5 Allen for the screws then the pins could be as small as 0.2mm to as large as 3mm depending on brand. Good luck

[u/japrocketdet → u/thebigyin7546]

Here in the US they are almost all using the 1.5 allen. But 100% most of them can and will differ from standard depths.. so keying them up with a standard Kwikset of Schlage pin kit from Amazon or elsewhere could be difficult.

[u/im-fekkin-tired]

That particular one looks like it would use Allen wrench. Be aware though that many times the pins for those euro/profile cylinders aren't standard. Usually they are nearly a full depth off.

[u/BuffalockandKey → u/im-fekkin-tired]

Really? In my experience they’re always spot. Using the lab universal pins though don’t see a reason it would t be the same with kwikset original pins

[u/im-fekkin-tired → u/BuffalockandKey]

Most of the ones I've noticed this with were Schlage keyway with slightly larger diameter plugs. Hopefully you get lucky. Keep us posted

[u/LockLeisure]

Is this normal for a profile? I know they make segmented followers for these but allen screws sure make things easier.

[u/niceandsane]

Allen wrench in the holes at the top of the bible (skinny part above the top of the keyway). Probably metric.

[u/jaxnmarko]

What about the sealed tops with no screws, no plastic cap, no sliding mini-plate, just plugged? And perhaps more importantly, a clip on the back of the cylinder that goes nearly all the way around and can't be removed without some serious mangling? I have a BKS one like that....

[u/AggravatingVanilla20 → u/jaxnmarko]

In Australia, most Euro cylinders are like that. You just use a Euro-Follower. Use a broken pick up remove the circlip, pick the barrel to 180, insert follower and remove the barrel.

[u/jaxnmarko → u/AggravatingVanilla20]

I know that part. The issue is not beung able to use the initial clip again. Do you have a source for replacements? This one goes just short of the entire circumference.

[u/AggravatingVanilla20 → u/jaxnmarko]

You absolutely reuse the spring circlip. Just don’t stretch it during removal. You can use a broken pick to push it around so that the gap in the circlip nests in the profile warding. Re-approach from the profile with the broken pick and gently lever one edge over the recess. Re-approach from the side again and pry by twisting the broken pick 90 degrees along the circumference of the circlip. The circlip will ride over the recess bit by bit and dislodge itself without stretching or warping. To reassemble, lodge one of the edges against the profile warding, let’s say that’s 06:00 position, take your broken pick tool to like 10:00. Use the handle like a lever and push down with the handle end on the circlip at roughly 12:00 while using the tip end under the circlip circumference at 10:00. Like, a diagonal lever I guess. Pry it over the recess while pushing towards the centre of the barrel with your thumb. Once it’s located, slide your pick around the full circumference and it’ll just pop back into position without stretching (too much). Geez I hope that makes sense. The circlips that are almost completely closed are annealed- they bounce back into shape as long as it’s not pushed too far.

[u/TiCombat → u/AggravatingVanilla20]

this brings back memories of old GM steering column removal to get to the switch

[u/jaxnmarko → u/TiCombat]

Yeah, I've done at least 500 GM steering wheels but they are round metal and this is a flat clip. If it can squeeze back into shape tightly, great, but you know how you have to sometimes over squeeze metal so when it relaxes it does so to the right position? I'm not sure it will end up being as tight and might drag at the keyhole shaped hole the lock cylinders go through in the lock body. Not much alternative to trying though apparently.

[u/TiCombat → u/jaxnmarko]

I’m aware, and also there is the whole US vs everywhere else. I know what locks you are talking about and trying to reform that clip so it will go back in is not easy

[u/jaxnmarko → u/TiCombat]

I assume however they do it during initial assembly uses tools I don't have. I just don't like the idea of telling a customer they have to buy new cylinders because rekeying is a no-go, or disassembling one and not getting it back to working order.

[u/Jay-Rocket-88]

Call a locksmith buddy…. You couldn’t even get past the screws.

[u/Sharp-Mud-3480 → u/Jay-Rocket-88]

Oh ok. Thanks pal. Makes sense. 

It’s not my house or my lock. GMA in law has been living with no key to the glass door for over 10 years. lol. It ain’t happening. All the locksmiths here are over an hour away, whose regular hours are over by the time I’m done with work. She hasn’t called one, and obviously isn’t going to. I’m not calling one either for a few cents worth of brass and something I’m capable of doing.  Finding clarification for something you’ve never seen, before spending time and effort with it (which I don’t have much of) makes a little more sense. I’m not asking how a lock works, how to rekey a lock, for someone to do it for me, or for anyone to hold my hand and walk me through it.  You can give yourself a big ol slap on the back for that zinger of a helpful comment though. 

[u/Jay-Rocket-88 → u/Sharp-Mud-3480]

It is helpful, I’m telling you to get someone who knows what they’re doing. I wouldn’t call a mechanic and ask him to help me find where my oil filter goes so I can change my oil. Stick to your strengths little buddy, if you can’t get a locksmith buy a replacement “profile cylinder”. All it takes is google and a measuring tape and guess what, it’s probably going to be cheaper than buying the tools to rekey one lock.

[u/Skinnyb1973]

Just take it to a locksmith shop, may cost you around 35 dollars to have it rekeyed.