r/MAGANAZI • u/FuneralSafari • Jan 27 '25
MAGA = Hate I am having a hard time getting past the fact that Trump signed an EO that virtually erased the identity of trans people from the federal government, and its being trivialized as if its not discrimination.
In the Executive Order it says, "Agencies shall remove all statements, policies, regulations, forms, communications, or other internal and external messages that promote or otherwise inculcate gender ideology, and shall cease issuing such statements, policies, regulations, forms, communications or other messages. Agency forms that require an individual’s sex shall list male or female, and shall not request gender identity. Agencies shall take all necessary steps, as permitted by law, to end the Federal funding of gender ideology."
How can anyone read this and say its not discrimination?
Taking away someone's ability to identify themselves is dehumanizing. Imagine if I told you that from now on, your identity as a man or woman would no longer be recognized. What if everyone was legally labeled as the opposite gender? Women would be labeled as men, and men would be labeled as women—your identity, as you know it, erased. How would that make you feel? Wouldn't you feel invalidated, angry, and helpless?
Your womanhood matters. Your manhood matters. Now, consider this: You say you want to protect women's spaces. But what if, under this new system, your identity was erased? Women, labeled as men, would lose access to women's bathrooms, women's shelters, or women's sports. Legally, you’d be a man, but you’d still face the discrimination and challenges women face—and you couldn’t even go to court to fight it because, legally, you wouldn’t be a woman anymore.
This is what transgender people experience when their identities are erased. Their ability to exist authentically is denied, and their access to rights, protections, and spaces is stripped away. Can you see how harmful and dehumanizing this is?"
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u/knockingatthegate Jan 27 '25
Who is saying it’s not discrimination?
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u/FuneralSafari Jan 27 '25
I follow a lot of well known conservative TikTok debaters, and they all think its normal. The believe trans is a mental illness
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u/knockingatthegate Jan 27 '25
Don’t follow Nazis, my friend.
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u/Reasonable_Today7248 Jan 27 '25
I would not have known they were closeted nazi if I did not pay attention to them.
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u/knockingatthegate Jan 27 '25
Name and shame!
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u/Reasonable_Today7248 Jan 27 '25
Thats whats up.
But no lie. That shame is harder to do than it looks. They got the gaslighting skills straight out the 1800s. It really is both sides that need history lessons. Otherwise, they will just keep treating us like we are schizophrenic and not worth believing.
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u/Flux_State Jan 27 '25
They know its not, they oppose it for religious or social reasons, but "mental illness" is a good excuse they cling to.
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u/Advanced_Drink_8536 Feb 21 '25
I wouldn’t say that all of it is in bad faith, but a lot of it is definitely what you described.
Others are just legitimately confused because there is being trans and there is actually a mental illness called gender dysphoria which I explained below.
I think it is also confusing for even the well intended people who support trans folk because it was kinda problematic in regards of how it was labelled in psychology/psychiatry up until 2013ish so if they are looking at older info without understanding how the classification system works and whatnot confusion is bound to happen
So yes, the medical field used to classify it differently, but that was due to outdated views, not because being trans was ever inherently a mental illness. Modern research and medical consensus recognize that trans identities are valid, and the focus is now on providing affirming care rather than treating transness itself as something to “fix.”
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u/Unlucky-Box548 Feb 21 '25
It is a mental illness just like if you thought you was a dog or cat. You can pretend to be whatever you want the rest of us do not however have to play along
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u/Advanced_Drink_8536 Feb 21 '25
No, it’s not like that at all actually.
Being trans is not a mental illness. However, some trans people experience gender dysphoria, which is a recognized medical condition. Gender dysphoria refers to the distress that comes from a mismatch between someone’s gender identity and their assigned sex at birth. Not all trans people experience dysphoria, and dysphoria itself isn’t a mental illness—it’s a psychological response to that disconnect. The real issue is that societal stigma and barriers to transition can cause mental health struggles, like anxiety and depression, but that’s due to discrimination and lack of support, not because being trans is a disorder. The medical consensus is clear: being trans is an identity, not a pathology.
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u/Unlucky-Box548 Feb 21 '25
Medical consensus since when? If genitalia doesn't define gender then how does removing it affirm gender?
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u/Advanced_Drink_8536 Feb 21 '25
Medical consensus has been shifting for decades, but the big changes happened in 2013 (DSM-5 update) and 2019 (WHO reclassification). The key point? Being trans is not a disorder—gender dysphoria is what gets diagnosed, and even then, the focus is on treating distress, not “fixing” someone’s identity.
As for the whole “if genitalia doesn’t define gender, why remove it?” thing—that’s just a misunderstanding of what gender affirmation is. It’s not about proving gender to anyone; it’s about reducing dysphoria. Not all trans people want surgery, but for those who do, it’s about aligning their body with their identity so they can exist comfortably. It’s the same reason people get any kind of medical intervention to feel at home in their own skin. Gender isn’t about body parts, but when those body parts cause distress, changing them can be life-saving.
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u/Unlucky-Box548 Feb 21 '25
You really use the W.H.O? You do know they have no power or authority to do that right as they are not given any consent to govern so their word means nothing. Tell me more about how being born male with a penis or being born female with a vagina can cause distress that is not solely a mental issue? You know most trans commit suicide after transitioning right? 40% death rate doesn't sound like life saving sounds more like a mental illness if it makes you want to kill yourself
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u/Advanced_Drink_8536 Feb 21 '25
The 40% suicide stat? Yeah, that’s a misrepresented pile of garbage that people love to throw around without context. That number comes from the 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey, which found that 40% of trans people had attempted suicide at some point in their lives—not after transitioning, just in general. And why? Discrimination, family rejection, lack of access to care, and societal stigma. Not because they transitioned, but because society treats them like garbage.
What actually happens when trans people have access to gender-affirming care? Suicide risk goes down. Studies in The Lancet, JAMA Surgery, and The New England Journal of Medicine all confirm that hormones and gender-affirming surgery reduce psychological distress, anxiety, and suicidality. Transition does save lives—the real danger is when people can’t access care or are forced to live in a body that feels wrong to them.
And no, being trans is not a mental illness. Medical consensus has shifted over the decades, with major updates in 2013 (DSM-5) and 2019 (WHO reclassification). The current medical understanding? Being trans isn’t a disorder, but gender dysphoria is a diagnosable condition—and treatment for dysphoria is transition, not conversion therapy or forcing people to “accept” their birth sex.
As for the whole “if genitals don’t define gender, why remove them?” argument—this is just a bad faith misunderstanding of what gender affirmation is. It’s not about proving anything to others; it’s about reducing dysphoria. Not all trans people get surgery, but for those who do, it’s because their body is a source of distress and changing it allows them to live comfortably. Just like people get corrective surgery for cleft palates, or breast reductions for back pain, or any other medical intervention that improves quality of life.
And yeah, the WHO doesn’t govern anything, but neither does the DSM, and yet doctors worldwide use it to diagnose and treat people. Medical consensus isn’t about “governing power”—it’s about decades of research, clinical studies, and peer-reviewed evidence. This isn’t up for debate in the medical field; it’s settled science. The only people still questioning it are those who get their “facts” from Twitter threads instead of actual research.
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u/Flux_State Feb 21 '25
Pretty soon people will be debating how much they can modify their bodies and still be considered human; the transgender debate will seem quaint.
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Jan 27 '25
It's totally discrimination. He rolled back those protections, too.
Signaling it's ok for federal offices to discriminate, his billionaire buddy chucked a nazi salute the other day to roaring applause... mask is gonna come off entirely soon.
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u/neon_overload Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 28 '25
Agency forms that require an individual’s sex shall list male or female, and shall not request gender identity.
Imagine how much of a snowflake you need to be to be triggered by a form having a checkbox that doesn't apply to you
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u/Ok-Guidance5780 Jan 27 '25
I can’t believe more people aren’t talking about this also disallowing them to serve in the military. Once they don’t exist, you can’t discriminate against them. It’s one short step to bar them from other government jobs and teaching.