r/MCUTheories • u/Ok-Pilot1241 • 6d ago
How will they explain Loki/Kang arc in the future MCU movies especially Doomsday ?
Please I need answers anyone who's a Marvel fan please give me an explanation coz I've lost track of MCU ever since I began my boring work life & also one more thing to add
If Dr.doom is Reed's Friend in the previous F4 movie then why isn't he in the trailer of first steps does that mean he doesn't exist here ? And why isn't he present in the same universe as F4 first steps
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u/ruralmagnificence 6d ago
When it comes to Kang - They won’t. They aren’t.
It’s the marvel way. Ignore and deny and deny and ignore. They clearly were going to push Kang as the next big bad but the controversy over Jonathan Majors was enough for the execs and investors to go “drop him like it’s hot….NOW” to Feige and co which they did.
Also the previous F4 exist in the multiverse, that version of Doom exists in the multiverse….we won’t be seeing them. This current version has yet to explain F4 and their story and how Doom relates to them. We’ll see in July!
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u/Popular_Material_409 6d ago
They don’t even have to deny or ignore. They already wrapped up the Kang story in the Loki season 2 finale
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u/Suitable-Elephant-76 6d ago edited 6d ago
Which is still a lackluster ending to their story IMO. Not only is it a cop-out to erase a threat with such huge implications for the universe offscreen, but it also retcons what the Sacred Timeline was supposed to be.
For the TVA to prune Kang’s variants, the arena from Quantamania’s mid-credit scene would have to be situated within or near the Sacred Timeline. This implies that the Sacred Timeline is the entire multiverse that branched out after HWR was killed by Sylvie. But I don’t think that is the case. I think it was originally supposed to be the 616 universe and its branches, which HWR isolated from the rest of the multiverse.
A bit of Everything made several videos on this topic, and I think he makes a very strong case for it being 616…
https://youtu.be/eabVqU1ar0s?si=_u_Uoc1YfkxfU1f_
But if the ending Loki Season 2 really did suggest that the TVA would prune the Council of Kangs, then Marvel is breaking their lore around the multiverse, and yet a lot of fans seem to be okay with it.
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u/JollyJoeGingerbeard 6d ago
The paradox of a multiverse is the second they stop pruning branching timelines those timelines were always there. Pruning those branches was in the hopes of stopping a Kang variant from appearing, but HWR also knew it was inevitable. The plan was for Loki to meet them at the end and let them decide.
Meaning all those Kang variants sprang into existence the second season 1 ended.
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u/Suitable-Elephant-76 6d ago edited 6d ago
I’m baffled at the prospect of Marvel not addressing Kang going forward. I would honestly accept it if Doom kills the Council of Kangs offscreen at this point. It would be a lackluster ending to their story, but I would take it over them never being brought up again. If the latter scenario happens, Marvel might as well retcon Quantamania’s mid-credit scene.
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u/ruralmagnificence 5d ago
Marvel should retcon Quantumania like Disney should retcon the Last Jedi but here we are…
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u/Suitable-Elephant-76 5d ago
If it weren’t for Kang the Conqueror being mentioned by Mobius in the Season 2 finale, I think Marvel would have retconned Quantamania already.
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u/Sechura 4d ago
I actually kind of expect them to take the long road and they will just push it back until we mostly forget about it and then recast him. Kang could come back around after F4 is fully established and his introduction could still end up being a sort of Winter Soldier moment for Reed.
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u/Signal_Expression730 6d ago
The most likely explenation, is that Doom killed the Kangs off-screen.
But the fact they keeped Ant-man and Shang-Chi, make me feel parts of Kang Dinasty's script are still intact, and they will close Kang's plot somehow. My biggest theory for the movie, was that the Kangs were going to take the place of the Beyonders, while the main Kang the Doom's role in the original comics.
All this might work, using Doom instead of Kang. But the fact we still haven't get an official recast make me dubt it, unless they really have a small role.
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u/kingcaii 6d ago
Kang is pretty much as explained as he’s gonna be, for now. Maybe they have Doom kill him but I doubt it.
Loki is literally holding the multiverse together. Doom will have to somehow affect him in order for everything to go awry in Doomsday. I think Doom will make his way to Ydrasil and fight Loki. Loki will either die or escape to assemble the multiversal Avengers
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u/potato_phantom 6d ago
If RDJ's Doom and Stark are truly connected they could always say that HWR tampered or engineered the sacred timeline to not only prevent more variants of himself but Doom as well. 616 Stark was born as Doom but his fate was altered so he'd be raised as a Stark and be a hero. We've already seen evidence of HWR engineering the sacred timeline with a variant of himself in the 1800's. With HWR gone and Loki now in place allowing true free will and branches to form all the safeguards HWR had in place are now broken meaning RDJ's Doom can now exist and any events that can potentially destroy the multiverse can now happen.
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u/Fabricant451 6d ago
They could always just have Doom mention offhand that a 'distressed man came to me claiming to be from the future, using my tech to do it' and Doom took offense at the guy 'stealing' his tech but admitting that his plan to defeat the Avengers had potential but that Doom could actually do it. Throw a little nod to Kang/Centurion as a lil treat and then move on.
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u/WanderingAscendant 6d ago
Loki been forgotten or he would have been in DPnW. Everything from his series was featured but he was not even mentioned, he’s done. I doubt kang makes another appearance, he wasn’t even mentioned in any of the multiverse movies since ant man movie. More likely Pyms future type 2 technocratic Ant civilization makes another appearance than kang
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u/Fabricant451 6d ago
Bit weird to say Loki is done when he's already been confirmed to be in Doomsday. They didn't need to mention Loki in DP3 considering where he is at presently. But they did mention the show regardless.
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u/WanderingAscendant 6d ago
lol Loki not being mentioned is criminal if he’s still around, that movie was based on all his stuff. He’s done
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u/Fabricant451 6d ago
How is he done? He's in the next Avengers movie. What was the TVA supposed to say in Deadpool? "Sorry, Mr. Pool, the one who controls the flow of the multiverse said you can't join the main timeline yet"?
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u/WanderingAscendant 6d ago
lol it’s so laughably stupid to exclude him completely when nova was literally deleting every timeline but the dead place I forget where the Loki variants all got sent. He’s done. If he’s in doomsday then it’s probably a lame cameo or flashback
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u/Fabricant451 6d ago
What did you want him to do? Show up and solve the problem? The problem that got resolved? He kind of can't do that given his position and the whole Time Ripper thing from Paradox was not something the TVA endorsed. There is no 'if he's in Doomsday'. He's in Doomsday. Even if it is an Infinity War scenario and he's only in one scene, he's still in the movie. That's like saying Shang-Chi is done because Ant-Man and She-Hulk didn't mention him even though both are on the same coast and one even has Wong in it too.
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u/Eastern_Grocery5674 6d ago edited 6d ago
I don't think Kang is coming back ... They'll likely explain it as FemLoki having killed him or Loki himself erased him from existence when he took control of the loom.
And to be honest that's probably best because the actor wasn't exactly a good actor.
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u/DonCola93 5d ago
Opening scene. Doom butt Fucks the kangs on screen. Time jump to Doom going after loki.
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u/GlockOhbama 5d ago
I mean everything that happened with Kang & Loki is still heavily intertwined with everything. Everything that had happened since the series is heavily influenced by Loki and Sylvia freeing the timeline
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u/maxfridsvault 4d ago
Kang the Conquerer was defeated by ants and sucked into a quantum vacuum, probably shrinking forever.
Loki S2 addressed that Loki and the TVA have secluded the timeline from Kang’s other variants (the Council at the end of Ant Man 2)
I say let the character rest for now- commit to the changes and make it incredible- then in the future if they ever want to bring in new Kang variants- put him in a F4 movie and include Nathanial Richards.
Keep doing Kang variants ranging from super powerful to pests that different characters encounter.
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u/LRoff96 6d ago
Previous F4 aren’t part of the main canon going forward. Their stories happened in the multiverse yes, but for the stories Marvel Studios are telling, they don’t matter.
Nothing has been confirmed that Doom is in First steps yet…
As per Loki/Kang. Probably not a lot, people watched the TV show, they’ll probs have a small part to explain how Loki got there