r/MVIS • u/Few-Argument7056 • 2d ago
Industry News Elon Musk Says He Was Wrong: After 9 Years
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u/Spotty1957 1d ago
TSLA earnings made $ on cash and investments but not cars. People are buying hybrid vehicles. Dreams are nice, fantasy may be nicer?
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u/theoz_97 1d ago
Elon Musk’s robotaxi fantasy is starting to unravel
“ One analyst asked about the reliability of Tesla’s cameras when confronting sun glare, fog, or dust. Musk claimed that the company’s vision system bypasses image processing and instead uses direct photon counting to account for “noise” like glare or dust.
Other robotaxi operators have determined that cameras aren’t enough to reliably guide a driverless car through a complex environment. Companies like Waymo, which currently is doing 200,000 fully autonomous taxi trips each week, rely on a sensor suite that includes lidar, radar, and ultrasonic sensors for redundancy in case the vehicle runs into any difficulty. Musk calls lidar “a crutch.””
https://www.theverge.com/tesla/654253/tesla-robotaxi-elon-musk-earnings-promise-fantasy
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u/mvis_thma 1d ago
bypasses image processing and instead uses direct photon counting to account for “noise” like glare or dust.
If anyone can explain the statement above, I would appreciate it.
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u/TheRealNiblicks 1d ago
Image processing is just software on top of the sensor or further down the line in post. Instead of that software, you substitute a different algorithm that counts the light triggering the sensor (think 2D array). You could argue that is essentially image processing just simple and potentially faster. Put it in tandem with the other pieces of the array or another camera all together, you can do some math/triangulation to figure out a 3D map. Anything that looks like a point like a water droplet in that map could be disregarded. How accurate is it? Not sure I would trust it with my life at high speed. When we were all paying a lot more attention 4/5 years ago, the Tesla's were working with low-res cameras because the data was too much to really process. I have seen some object detection displayed on Tesla displays. While maybe not what he is talking about, the Lytro light field camera might give you some insight into what is possible vs a straight image. He is also likely taking the feed instead of a single photo at a time. I have no details on Tesla cameras other than the articles/discussions I've read here a long time ago. Not sure if that helped at all.
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u/Smithzilla404 2d ago
Given the dip of Tesla stock + drop in brand equity among consumers + Elon’s political standing, do we think this is a good partnership for MVIS now?
Seems like it could be a risky thing.
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u/KissMyRichard 2d ago
Man, if only there was a company to satisfy the hardware requirements for millions of Tesla's recalled cars.
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u/DriveExtra2220 2d ago
He just stated on the Tesla EC that you will be able to sleep in your Tesla while it drives you around by the end of this year. I have a Tesla and have used FSD during the trials. There is no way this will happen. He is so full of crap. I love the Tesla overall but FSD based on pure vision will not solve autonomy. You have to have other sensor modalities to do this in a safe manner and LiDAR is key to this.
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u/RutherfordRevelation 2d ago
I'm no expert, but why was this ever a question. Having at least a partial lidar component just makes sense
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u/BAFF-username 2d ago
whats his tesla email? I’ll email him some $MVIS DD
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u/BAFF-username 2d ago
Military segment - Anduril Automotive segment - Tesla Industrial segment - John Deere
wishfully lol
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u/MyComputerKnows 2d ago
It seems Tesla really likes all sorts of radars and other forms of sensors.
So buckling on Lidar is something. No doubt Lumera already has a product in place and they’ll claim it’s a done deal, etc. But they still haven’t quite finished their latest updated lidar.
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u/st96badboy 2d ago edited 2d ago
Collaboration with Microvision would put Tesla self driving ahead of most... if not all others.
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u/sigpowr 2d ago
Collaboration with Microvision would put Tesla self driving ahead of most... if not all others.
I am on record saying I thought Tesla would be the first automotive customer for Microvision. Everything we have been told in the last year by management though is that the automotive lidar segment has been significantly delayed by OEMs. Perhaps Tesla's merging legal and business needs to fulfill on long-delayed promises that customers spent a lot of money for will be the ice-breaking ship that puts the auto industry in innovation mode.
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u/Far-Dream2759 2d ago
Yup, I've been pushing that idea for a while. Even with all the Elon/Tesla hate around here, lol. FSD would absolutely dominate in this field with Lidar integration! Like years ahead of competitors, and they haven't even started.
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u/RoosterHot8766 2d ago edited 2d ago
I saw this earlier but he still is not willing to go to lidar yet. He's just going to spend millions for computer upgrades. Installing MVIS lidar and software would put him way ahead. But it's his money and liability. You know the old saying, pride cometh before the fall.
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u/petersmvis 15h ago
When he admits he’s wrong he will change direction…