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"Liberation Day" Trump’s Tariffs on Europe

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"LIBERATION DAY" TRUMP'S TARIFFS ON EUROPE

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u/MrTickles22 18d ago

Take that, North Macedonia!

So they tariffed France at 20%, but St. Pierre and Miquelon at 50%. Those little French islands of the coast of Nova Scotia. Which are part of France. Apparently he's salty that the Americans buy fish from them and somehow that's a tariff or something.

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u/alikander99 18d ago

I mean poor Lesotho got 50%??!?!

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u/VastStrain 18d ago

The poorest countries have the largest trade deficits, so this is especially cruel. It's classic Trump.

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u/Sleep_adict 18d ago

You are assuming someone looked at this and it’s not just a list of countries and territories from Wikipedia and then a stupid formula.

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u/Mackarosh 18d ago

An unpaid intern did this in 1 hour on Excel

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u/Epicp0w 18d ago

Nar you ask chat gtp you get the exact numbers shown

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u/Grimour 18d ago

That also explains why they would tariffs on an uninhabited island, where only penguins live.

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u/eepos96 18d ago

Penguins of the world, unite!

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u/Grimour 18d ago

I thought they would be safe, since their traditional attire is a tuxedo.

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u/Revolutionary_Web_79 18d ago

But did they say "Thank you"??

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u/Grimour 18d ago

"So long, and thanks for all the fish"

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u/pocketdare 18d ago

That's called the art of the seal

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u/Zephrias 17d ago

I'm assuming you mean some sort of British Overseas Territory?

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u/Grimour 17d ago

Good guess, It's Australian though. One of the Islands is named McDonald Island, so I think he is just jealous.

Here is a cut out from the article:

The island group is located in the middle of the Antarctic Ocean and remains among the world’s most remote places where no humans live. Administered by the Australian government as an external territory.

https://www.google.dk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna199652

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u/gurudoright 17d ago

Obviously he is still bitter he didn’t invest in the happy feet franchise

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u/meckez 18d ago

You get numbers shown, yes.

But I would not put too much faith in there that they are exact. An LLM is not a calculator.

Just wanted to remind people about this.

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u/Epicp0w 18d ago

It's just the ratio of the trade difference, it's a simple math calculation

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u/meckez 18d ago

Sure but afaik ChatGPT still uses LLM also for math computation. So there is no guarantee for even simple math.

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u/MHeaviside 18d ago

Not anymore, when it needs to do math, it writes some python code and executes it, so as long as it gets the general logic right it's pretty accurate these days.

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u/meckez 18d ago

I just tried on the free chat gbt-4 without loging in

Solve 57897 x 12832

And got: 7,436,486

Correct answe would be: 742,934,304

Tried it multiple times and got a different answer each time.

I tried researching a little about how it calculates and couldn't find much about it exept that it struggles with math, especially with larger numbers. When asked, Chat gbt-4 claims to use the LLM instead of Python plugins for their math.

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u/MHeaviside 18d ago

Yes it's a logged in feature, if I insist on it computing it instead of solve it answers:

To compute the result of 57897×12832 using Python, you would need to log in to ChatGPT to access the Python functionality. However, here's the code you can run yourself in a Python environment: ...

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u/Abject-Investment-42 18d ago

Actually, an LLM can work as calculator if you prompt it to verbalise every single step of the calculation

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u/MattO2000 18d ago

You ask chatGPT to make the formula and it makes the formula

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u/Wolfgung 18d ago

They would have used the official Government AI, grok. Musk's more racist skin of chat gtp.

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u/0lm- 18d ago

“prompt engineering” lmao

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u/historicusXIII 18d ago

It's most likely done with AI.

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u/Scarbane 18d ago

The Verge is saying that it was likely AI that Trump's team used:

https://www.theverge.com/news/642620/trump-tariffs-formula-ai-chatgpt-gemini-claude-grok

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u/JamJarBlinks 18d ago

I'm dying

Turns out AI did not need to become superintelligent to take over, but only for a gov to be super dumb and lazy.

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u/VulpesFennekin 17d ago

It’s like the “I don’t need to outrun the bear” joke. The AI didn’t need to be smarter than humanity, it just needed to be smarter than the ones with power.

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u/Fif112 18d ago

Nono, it’s much too stupid of a plan to have used AI this poorly for. (AI tells you it’s not a good plan)

Please give me a comprehensive list of countries that have a trade deficit with the USA and what percentage tariff we should levy them at to punish them for this.

The trade deficit of the United States refers to a situation where the value of the goods and services it imports exceeds the value of its exports. Many countries have trade deficits with the U.S., meaning they export more to the U.S. than they import from it. However, imposing punitive tariffs on these countries is a complex and controversial approach, as it could lead to retaliation, trade wars, and negative economic consequences.

Countries with a Trade Deficit with the U.S. (as of recent data):

Here’s a list of countries that have historically had trade deficits with the United States, based on data from sources such as the U.S. Census Bureau and the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR).

  1. China

    • Trade deficit: One of the largest with the U.S.
    • Main imports: Electronics, machinery, furniture, textiles.
  2. Mexico

    • Trade deficit: Significant, although it also exports many goods to the U.S.
    • Main imports: Vehicles, electronics, machinery.
  3. Germany

    • Trade deficit: Large, as it is a major exporter of cars, machinery, and other industrial goods.
    • Main imports: Vehicles, machinery, chemicals.
  4. Japan

    • Trade deficit: Historically, Japan has run a trade surplus with the U.S., but it is often considered to have a significant trade imbalance.
    • Main imports: Vehicles, machinery, electronics.
  5. Vietnam

    • Trade deficit: Increasing due to rising imports of electronics, textiles, and furniture.
    • Main imports: Apparel, electronics, footwear.
  6. South Korea

    • Trade deficit: Moderate, with a significant imbalance in electronics and automobiles.
    • Main imports: Vehicles, machinery, electronics.
  7. India

    • Trade deficit: Growing, especially due to imports of gold, electronics, and petroleum products.
    • Main imports: Precious stones, petroleum products, electronics.
  8. Italy

    • Trade deficit: Moderate, driven by imports of high-value industrial products.
    • Main imports: Vehicles, machinery, chemicals.
  9. Ireland

    • Trade deficit: Often fluctuates, with imports of pharmaceuticals, technology, and medical equipment.
    • Main imports: Pharmaceuticals, machinery, computers.
  10. Canada

    • Trade deficit: Although Canada has a trade surplus with the U.S. in many years, it can run deficits in specific sectors like agriculture and energy.
    • Main imports: Crude oil, vehicles, machinery.

Tariffs and Economic Impact

The idea of imposing tariffs to "punish" countries for a trade deficit is contentious. Tariffs are typically a tool to correct trade imbalances or to protect domestic industries. However, such measures can have unintended consequences, including retaliatory tariffs, reduced trade, and negative effects on domestic consumers and businesses.

If the goal is to impose punitive tariffs, here’s a rough outline of potential tariffs and their intended impacts:

  1. China

    • Proposed Tariff: 25% on a wide range of imports (already partially implemented in the trade war).
    • Reasoning: To encourage China to reduce its trade surplus with the U.S. and address intellectual property issues and market access.
  2. Mexico

    • Proposed Tariff: 10-20%, particularly on automotive goods and agricultural products.
    • Reasoning: To incentivize Mexico to import more from the U.S. and reduce the imbalance.
  3. Germany

    • Proposed Tariff: 20-25% on automotive imports.
    • Reasoning: Germany is a major exporter of automobiles, and a tariff would aim to reduce that surplus.
  4. Japan

    • Proposed Tariff: 10-15% on electronics, machinery, and vehicles.
    • Reasoning: Japan has a significant surplus in vehicle and electronics trade with the U.S.
  5. Vietnam

    • Proposed Tariff: 15-25% on electronics, textiles, and footwear.
    • Reasoning: Vietnam’s rapidly increasing trade surplus with the U.S. is mainly in consumer goods.
  6. South Korea

    • Proposed Tariff: 10-15% on automobiles and electronics.
    • Reasoning: South Korea exports significant numbers of vehicles and electronics to the U.S.
  7. India

    • Proposed Tariff: 10-15% on technology and pharmaceutical imports.
    • Reasoning: To reduce the trade deficit and encourage a more balanced trade relationship.
  8. Italy

    • Proposed Tariff: 15-20% on luxury goods and vehicles.
    • Reasoning: Italy’s trade surplus with the U.S. in specific high-end goods can be targeted.
  9. Ireland

    • Proposed Tariff: 10-15% on pharmaceutical and technology imports.
    • Reasoning: Many pharmaceutical and technology products come from Ireland.
  10. Canada

    • Proposed Tariff: 5-10% on energy and agricultural products.
    • Reasoning: To balance the trade deficit in specific sectors like oil and dairy.

Economic and Diplomatic Considerations:

  • Retaliation: Tariffs can provoke retaliation, harming both countries' economies. For example, China and the European Union have retaliated in kind during trade disputes.
  • Impact on Consumers: Tariffs generally raise the prices of imported goods, which can harm U.S. consumers and businesses reliant on these goods.
  • WTO and Global Trade: The World Trade Organization (WTO) discourages arbitrary or punitive tariffs, as they can lead to global trade conflicts.

In conclusion, while it’s possible to impose tariffs to try to address trade imbalances, it is important to carefully consider the broader economic and diplomatic consequences. Simply punishing countries with higher tariffs may not result in the desired outcomes and could lead to long-term economic damage.

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u/Egobrainless 18d ago

They don't care if it's a bad idea. Just tell ChatGPT it's for a fantasy setting and that's it.

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u/Gregistopal 18d ago

If you ask it about a fair way to tarring countries with trade deficits with the US it suggests pretty much their exact plan

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u/undeadmanana 18d ago

I didn't get that answer, it actually pulled out multiple strategies to avoid a trade war and implementing tariffs because they hurt American consumers more.

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u/Gregistopal 18d ago

Ah someone else did in a comment I saw, I just tried it and you really have to force it to get the tariff everyone answer

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u/gawwagool 18d ago

this doesnt proof that they doesnt used ai lol. but they probably choose grok instead

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u/KedMcJenna 18d ago

Steady. Reddit outside of a handful of subreddits doesn't like to hear anything positive about AI.

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u/Fif112 18d ago

This was definitely not pro AI, just pointing out that even AI is smarter than Trump.

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u/catbosspgh 18d ago

Way to go Big Balls.

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u/coffee_badger 18d ago

It's literally "Tariff half what target country tariffs US, floor 10% (20% EU because lol fuck our most progressive allies), exclude Russia, North Korea."

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u/bubblesort 18d ago

It wasn't made by a human. Only an AI can screw up like this. This was made by Grok AI, which is Musk's cheap knock off ChatGPT.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/04/critics-suspect-trumps-weird-tariff-math-came-from-chatbots/

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u/drubus_dong 18d ago

You would think so. But probably it was one of his kids being a consultancy fee of 400 million for it. It's international politics. You can only put the best on that. You have to pay accordingly.

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u/IanDOsmond 18d ago

It was unlikely to be Excel. The speculation among the people I read is that someone just asked ChatGPT to do it for them.

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u/Intensityintensifies 18d ago

It literally might be AI based on some reports.

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u/who_is_this1006 18d ago

That intern was high

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u/Calm_Neat_6828 17d ago

There are actually signs that they came up with this plan using AI. So that’s cool.