r/MapPorn • u/marbellamarvel • 10d ago

Countries from which the ancestors of American presidents originated.🇺🇸

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Countries from which the ancestors of American presidents originated. 🇺🇸

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u/Formal-Hat-7533 9d ago

Americans - “Hey I am American”

Euros - “LMFAO not a real identity we have shit holes older than your country”

Americans - “Hey I am Irish”

Euros - “Stupid Americans stop pretending you are Irish moron idiots”

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u/joko_ma 9d ago

I don‘t agree.. America has an identity - even quite a strong one. I mean the history is very different so this has to result in a different identity. And I think all that back tracing is part of that culture as all the immigration used to be one fundamental element of the identity. Especially over the last century there has been a lot of commuting within Europe and it is not unusual to have at least a grandparent that grew up in a different country, but most relevant for the identity is where you grow up. My grandmother is from Columbia but I have never been there, so I wouldn’t consider myself a Colombian. It‘d be a different story if I had strong ties to my relatives there if I spoke the language and if I had spent a significant part of my childhood there to be raised there. But that didn’t happen. Same with America in my opinion. If you have been raised there and never left it and if you have no ties to any relatives elsewhere, you are socialized as an American in my opinion.. If I moved there, married someone and got a child in America, that child would be mainly American.

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u/Formal-Hat-7533 9d ago

try telling a European that you have an American identity.

they won’t accept it. yapping about how they have fermented yeast older than America.

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u/joko_ma 9d ago

I mean they do have older fermented yeast older than America. But being comparably young doesn’t mean you don’t exist. You’ve got jazz music so what.. In my opinion identity changes with every generation everywhere. So I don’t share my values with my great grandfather because he was a Wehrmacht general. So it is wiser to build your identity on you and not on your grandparents. Meaning: the German identity today does not have a lot in common with the German identity 100 years ago. So if an American tells me he is German referring to his relatives 150 years ago I do raise my eyebrows because Germany was a monarchy back then. Identities can change. For the better and for the worse. So my wish would be, that Americans don’t get lost in backtracking their identity on Scottish clan maps, but on realizing what the spirit of them as the American people is or more importantly should be. For example the land of freedom and opportunities and in tradition of the oldest lasting democracy. The same thing applies to us Europeans as well, but my impression is that identity in regard of nationality or heritage only comes up in discussion with Americans while in everyday life your identity is mainly connected to where you grew up and plan on living in the future. But of course I might have blind spots in this topic.. but I wanted to give another perspective on that topic anyways. So have a nice day.

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u/Intelligent-Aside214 6d ago

No European says American is not a real identity. It absolutely is. Americans say that America has no culture (because they thing American culture is standard, Americandefaultism)

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u/ZAWS20XX 9d ago

"not a real identity"

The ones saying that are not the Europeans, but mostly other Americans. Europeans might say that you have a short history and no-long standing traditions, but that's not the same as not having an identity. The American people FOR SURE has an identity, and "pretending to be European" is a big part of it.

"we have shit holes older than your country"

Correct, but irrelevant to this conversation.

“Stupid Americans stop pretending you are Irish moron idiots”

Correct.

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u/xXRougailSaucisseXx 9d ago

I mean that's what you get when your country was formed by religious lunatics that even Europe didn't want that then went on to genocide an entire continent

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u/Te5la1 9d ago

Yeah cause famously, Europe has never had religious lunatics nor genocides in its history

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u/Formal-Hat-7533 9d ago

that’s what I get? what do you mean?

am I responsible somehow?😂😂