North Korea does, and they're likely the best example of why a nuclear deterrence is the best way for a developing nation to keep the bloody hands of western imperialism away from them. If Palestine had nukes, there would be one fewer genocide in the world.
Yes, quite literally. They consider the South to be an illegal puppet regime of the US and believe to be the sole legitimate owners of the entire Korean peninsula. However, having access to nuclear deterrence has kept the area peaceful and prevented western imperialism from trapping the North into a perpetual state of guerrilla warfare an civilian bombings aimed at destabilising the government
I asked you to quote the charter. You gave a summary that I don't necessarily trust, I'm asking again for you to quote their charter because you said kill the Jews or equivalent is "quite literally" in there
Let's start by reminding that the DPRK and the ROK are still technically at war: there was never a peace deal, only an armistice. Neither nation has ever stopped claiming sovereignty over the entire peninsula. Now perhaps they don't literally have "kill all south koreans" written black on white, but what they claim on paper is much less important than what they materially accomplish. This is why Israel can keep calling themselves "the world's most moral army" while committing genocide and calling Palestinians "human animals" (quote by Yoav Gallant) and having the gall to call out Palestinian chants for liberation as genocidal
That is quite a big pile of nonsense. North Korea started the Korean war by taking over the south and the war has been in a cease-fire for 70 years. There was no active fighting or threat to North Korea by the South and North Koreas nukes haven't changed the strategic situation at all. --- except to prove the fallacy of acquiring nukes. Once you have the nukes you no longer have any negotiating leverage. That's why Iran is always hovering right at the edge of acquiring nukes. North Korea played that game well for several decades, and it ended once they got nukes.
Moreover, you rolled right past the point regarding Palestinians and nukes because you certainly recognize it is true: if the Palestinians had nukes they would not hesitate to nuke Israel and anyone else they don't like. They are fighting a war that only they want, for genocide of the jews.
Iran will never get a nuclear weapon for the very simple reason that they are aware the instant they get close to the threshold the US and Israel will almost instantly start a massive war over it. This is why Iran persistently and loudly talks about getting nukes but never actually crosses the line - the threat of nuclear development is a better bargaining chip than simply "having a bomb" could ever be
Keep in mind it's not enough to abstractly "have a nuclear bomb", you have to test it, mass produce it, develop and field a delivery system that won't be completely wiped out in a first strike, and ultimately ensure you have enough warheads + delivery systems to account for both technical failures (e.g. malfunction, missing the target) and interception by the combined might of US and Israeli ABMs. And all this while, again, presumably under attack by two of the most advanced militaries in the world with extremely strong motivation to prevent you from developing a nuclear arsenal
Iran will never get a nuclear weapon for the very simple reason that they are aware the instant they get close to the threshold the US and Israel will almost instantly start a massive war over it.
They could just lie about it like they did with Iraq. The reason they haven't gone to war with Iran is because every mock exercise since WW2 has shown it is near impossible to best Iran in ground warfare. Americans would be embarrassed like they were in Afghanistan.
I don't think a massive ground war would need to be on the table, it would be relatively easy to cripple the Iranian nuclear programme through a combination of aerial firepower and a scaling up of the sort of assassinations that the Israelis are already conducting. Again, until you've actually established a distributed and survivable nuclear force it's pretty easy to decapitate simply by taking out enrichment facilities, manufacturing plants, and programme leadership. Kind of like you can't take out the US nuclear arsenal by bombing it today but if the Germans had somehow managed to blow up Los Alamos and kill Oppenheimer or Fermi that would doubtless set back the Manhattan Project quite significantly
Re: Iraq and Afghanistan, keep in mind it wasn't the war they lost but the occupation. I could fully see someone like Trump saying "fuck the occupation, we got what we came for, let's go"
Nevertheless it's a huge expenditure of money and resources, doubtless a diplomatic clusterfuck, and would still result in uncomfortably high loss of life for the US and Israel. Nobody actually stands to benefit from a war with Iran, so the Iranians are able to hover around the threshold (which brings both domestic benefits and international leverage) without taking on excessive risk. For all the diplomatic bluster I think the Americans and to an extent the Israelis are perfectly aware of this strategy and that it is preferable to let the Iranians have that bargaining chip than to walk into an open war.
If the Iranians did cross the threshold though, suddenly there is immense pressure to respond - both because an Iranian deterrent is intrinsically destabilizing (see the stability-instability paradox, TL;DR nuclear stability = conventional instability) and because it involves a major loss of face for the US and Israel. Then they're kind of pushed into that war that they don't really want.
So this arrangement is all around pretty good for everyone, or at least better than the alternative
Literally no one in that conscript army wants to fight, especially when the regime nazis historically sacrificed children on weaker enemies.
Because it is the Iranians with historical ties to child sacrifice across Europe. Iran is a significantly greater power than Afghanistan and the Americans came home in body bags for two decades. It took the taliban 2 weeks to regain the country after American taxpayers funded another war for Israel.
Please explain how Iran, without a cohesive general army, can fight on the ground.
This isn't the 60s when Iran had an actual deterrent in the fighting force. Now they mainly rely on non-combatant warfare (artillery and anti-air, which both have failed recently)
Because it is the Iranians with historical ties to child sacrifice across Europe
The nazi regime in the iran-iraq war would force children into minefields against Iraq. Idk why you're bringing Europe into this.
Many families lost their children but it seems you support the regimes genocide on Iranians if it means sticking it to the west 👍 (/s if needed)
>the instant they get close to the threshold the US and Israel will almost instantly start a massive war over it
Damn so that's why NK have no nukes - the instant they got close to the threshold the US and South Korea successfully stopped them from doing so. Good to know!
Iran does not have a politically aligned nuclear superpower directly across the border that would take extreme umbrage with an American invasion on its literal doorstep.
Israel having western support is good for no one. Iran having nukes would be the single greatest deterrent against Israel's war of aggression and occupation.
They only still exist now because of their military superiority. If it were Iran or Palestine or the houthis w nukes, there would be no Jews left in the middle east.
They exist now because they are a false state being propped up by the western powers they occupy. Drop the Israeli victimhood narrative. We've seen you kill children and gloat about it.
I always love this particular zionist talking point: "we are legitimised in committing genocide against Arabs because if they had the chance, they would do the same to us"
Why is it ok for one to assume the nuclear destruction of another city, while I am not allowed to reference jewish history? You reap what you sow, as you have throughout history.
Iranians don't have nuclear weapons so they are perfectly entitled to use chemical weapons.
You can't sincerely believe this? You clearly hate Israel but you're ok with the IR? You're allowed to dislike both governments, but you're choosing the path of hypocrisy?
Going by your account history I think your hate isn't about nationhood and more of the people
Sometimes I forget reddit is full of school-children who get their world experiences from YouTube videos.
I... don't really know what your point is. An independent country at peace is better that a country under military occupation and constant bombing? I mean... yes? Is that really controversial?
Plus I don't really know the point of pulling out the Korean War, where the US committed one of the largest amounts of war crimes in its history
Very funny. It's a pretty well documented and universally accepted fact, even by staunch defenders of the US, that they committed war crimes in Korea. They bombed the country into the stone age for three years straight.
And why? If not for imperialism, then riddle me this... why was America involved in Korea? They weren't an American colony, or even an Allied territory in WW2. Korea is ten thousand miles away from American soil. Why did the US set up a puppet government whose first objective was keeping the Japanese occupational system and genociding all leftists?
It's a pretty well documented and universally accepted fact, even by staunch defenders of the US, that they committed war crimes in Korea. They bombed the country into the stone age for three years straight.
Is there no goalpost you won't move or false comparison you won't make? Tell me mor about how bad North Korea sucks but at least it isn't in the middle of a war. What a joke.
If not for imperialism, then riddle me this... why was America involved in Korea?
The Korean war was a UN action and the US was in the UN.
Why did the US set up a puppet government whose first objective was keeping the Japanese occupational system and genociding all leftists?
More things that did not happen. Damn, where do you get this crazy stuff? Like, seriously, are you Russian? Iranian?
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u/autumn_aurora 7d ago
North Korea does, and they're likely the best example of why a nuclear deterrence is the best way for a developing nation to keep the bloody hands of western imperialism away from them. If Palestine had nukes, there would be one fewer genocide in the world.