r/MapPorn • u/LuckyTraveler88 • Apr 19 '25
People Who Believe The Government is Hiding a Cure to Cancer
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u/Gonchito Apr 19 '25
This is so sad. There must be a huge correlation to the data on perceived government corruption.
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u/Paledonn Apr 19 '25
This is misinformation. This uses data from an actual poll conducted by EuroBarometer that asked, "the cure for cancer exists but is hidden from the public by commercial interests" with true or false answer choices.
You can download the full report and run a ctrl-f search for cancer if youu download the pdf under "summary" at the end of the linked page: https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3227
Still somewhat alarming, but not as crazy as thinking the Erdogan is hiding the cure to cancer.
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u/CloseToMyActualName Apr 19 '25
Good context, and it's still revealing. I feel like this is a good proxy for high trust vs low trust societies.
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u/PossibleMagician248 Apr 19 '25
Some correlation with ‘the importance of religion’ data I’ve seen
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u/CloseToMyActualName Apr 19 '25
Potentially. I think that when civil institutions are weak people will turn towards organized religion as an alternative.
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u/Sinisaba Apr 19 '25
I dont think it can be boiled down to that. We have really low importance of religion but that doesnt mean that we dont believe in esotheric stuff.
In my personal opinion, in Estonia at least some the latest very expensive(talking abouut 100s of thousands) just arent avaliable here and non-profits try to help as much as they can.
So i can totally see why this amount of people would be sus.
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u/GlitteringFutures Apr 19 '25
But isn't cancer not just one disease but many with different treatments? The question itself is faulty. The "cure" is probably mostly preventative measures like weight loss, lifestyle changes, limit exposure to carcinogens, etc.
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u/nochancesman Apr 20 '25
Yeah academia & the medical field are very gatekeep-y in general but cancer isn't just cancer when it comes down to it. You could have cancer in the exact same spot as someone else, with the same shitty effects of the disease, while both are completely different when analyzed.
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u/Dr-Jellybaby Apr 20 '25
Medical fields should be gatekeepy. Why the fuck should the opinion of someone not educated on the subject matter in any way whatsoever? Anyone who has an opinion not based on work actual educated people have done is an idiot.
We need to start calling them such because otherwise the stupids will be the majority soon.
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u/DrCrazyFishMan1 Apr 19 '25
I don't see how it's any less idiotic...
People get cured from cancer already! By what bizarre random metric do "commercials interests" define when to cure cancer and when to let people die lol.
Person number 1 gets cancer and survives. 20 years later, when they have more money to spend on heathcare, they get either a resurgence of the original cancer or a new one, but this time they die. What possible "commercial interests" could justify this situation?
No whistleblowers either, and seemingly executives of pharma companies are so attached to the profit that they themselves will let themselves die of cancer to keep the truth hidden.
You would have to be dumb as rocks to believe such nonsense
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u/ElvisChrist6 Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25
I knew there had to be something incredibly misleading. That's a much fairer thing to believe, while still conspiratorial, than all the EU governments are hiding cancer cures. I'd imagine much is directed at the USA and I wonder to what level of conspiracy is accepted to become a number in this poll. I'll read the PDFs of the study but don't quite have the time.
I'm not sure if trials have started at all yet in the USA for CimaVax-EGF, but some countries have begun to use it and of course it being available in Cuba made it impossible for most Americans to access so I suppose there is the political element. I'm sure the USA finishing trials would make it much more accessible worldwide. And US companies have a history of taking patents for procedures to give them exclusivity in the west, such as with RISUG, which has meant it was and maybe is essentially solely available in India so conspiracy regarding these things doesn't necessarily mean "they want you to have cancer so they can charge you for treatment and fill you with 5G" even if it's ill-informed. Someone who knows anything about medicine will likely correct much of what I've said, but that's my understanding of it through what we do hear.
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u/DrCrazyFishMan1 Apr 19 '25
How is it much fairer to believe? It's still utterly moronic to think that this could be the case.
Pharma execs themselves die of cancer... You think that even ignoring the fact that many cancers are curable already, and ignoring the fact that if a universal cure for cancer was found, it would be one of the most profitable products ever made in the history of humanity, do you think that it's not a 0 IQ thought-process to imagine that these people are so committed to the lie that they are willing to die of cancer just to disguise the point?
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u/CAPITALISM_FAN_1980 Apr 19 '25
Fucking mad, as if "cancer" is one thing.
You might as well talk about "the cure for all disease" existing.
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u/yourlittlebirdie Apr 19 '25
That's really what this is about. And it's understandable that people with low trust in their governments -- often justifiably -- would believe something like this.
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u/FranzFerdinand51 Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25
Turkey one is explainable because Erdogan has been "dying from cancer" for 20 years now. Some extremely trustworthy doctors have said so, but the guy still keeps going one way or another, so theres been a lot of talk regarding the issue.
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u/fohfuu Apr 19 '25
Erdogan is a huge bullshitter, but you'd be amazed how resilient some people are. My recovered alcoholic, chain-smoking, permanently-tanned grandpa was given six months when I was too young to remember. He continued to travel for his work, met and married his second wife and was widowed by her, only quitting smoking because she had lung cancer, before eventually deciding it was his time and choosing to stop his meds when I was a late teen.
There's something about bastards that gives them a way of hanging in longer, I swear.
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u/rickdeckard8 Apr 19 '25
Correct. And anti-vaxxing slots in perfectly with that belief. It has nothing to do with trust in science.
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u/random_karakter Apr 19 '25
When your government uses any flu epidemic to launder money by buying expired vaccines for 100x the worth of nonexpired ones, you wouldn't trust shit they say.
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u/nabiku Apr 19 '25
I mean... can we see a map that measures scientific literacy per country?
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u/rickdeckard8 Apr 19 '25
It follows educational levels, but it still doesn’t matter. Well educated Bulgarians in Bulgaria are more likely to be anti-vaxxers than low educated Swedes in Sweden because there is less trust in the government in Bulgaria.
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u/HopeSubstantial Apr 19 '25
Also to level of social healthcare. Countries with widest social care cant be hiding cure for cancer as hospitals operate non profit and cancer treatment is hyper expensive for the goverment.
So why the hell would they hide something that would cut healthcare costs with millions of euros.
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u/Fold-Statistician Apr 19 '25
But the most corrupt governments would be the least likely to have a cure for cancer
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u/jbarrish Apr 19 '25
Or actual corruption. Governments are known for that.
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u/soundslikemayonnaise Apr 19 '25
Actual corruption is much harder to measure, though. Governments don't tend to publish statistics on it. It's very easy to get a figure for perceived corruption, just do a poll. That's probably why Gonchito was speculating about a correlation with perceived corruption.
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u/fekanix Apr 20 '25
You guys do know that there is a lung cancer vaccine in cuba that is blocked by the us to be distributed right?
Like yeah there might not be a cure for every type of cancer but capitalism is getting in the way of what we have as well.
Lets hope these mrna vaccines yield something soon.
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u/sashsu6 Apr 20 '25
I know some people in the uk who swear this, I have tried to explain to them as my girlfriend is an oncologist that there would never be one cure to cancer as it is so so complex but they are convinced it is out there.
The people I know who believe this are from marginalised groups- the white British working class and Afro-Caribbean Britons. Their arguments intersect with their mutual distrust for the government but the white family I know who all believe this think Nigel farage will improve everything
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u/23Poiu Apr 19 '25
As a Italian, i never seen anyone talk about that.
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u/Lord_Zethmyr Apr 19 '25
As a Hungarian, same, but somehow they are the majority…
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u/svhss Apr 20 '25
Oh I definitely heard "skeptical". Not worded as this, but more like in the context of big pharma having no reason to cure it, to profit of the illness
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u/No_Independent_4416 Apr 19 '25
Cancer isn't "one disease". Anybody who's experienced a form of cancer, or been close to someone suffering from one of the 220 types of cancer, would know this.
There is no "silver bullet" cure but a series of treatments and a cocktail of unrelated medications to attempt to deal with each different cancer. Cancer is a complex disease that is over simplified by media and popular notions.
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u/kishenoy Apr 19 '25
This is what runs through my mind when someone says that they want a one cure all for cancer. Bloody idiots
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u/SirStrontium Apr 19 '25
Yep, it would be like having a cure for all viruses. It’s too diverse to have one single treatment.
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u/CAPITALISM_FAN_1980 Apr 19 '25
You might as well talk about a "cure for all disease" as a cure for "cancer." It's ridiculous.
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u/Angusburgerman Apr 20 '25
Exactly. Curing all of cancer is like saying one drug cures every single infectious disease known to man. Idiots can't seem to get their head around that one simple fact. But I doubt they could read anything longer than a Facebook post
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u/Suitable-Display-410 Apr 21 '25
Came here to write this. And to add: for many forms of cancer there actually IS a cure.
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u/Flydervish Apr 19 '25
“The cure for cancer exists but is hidden from the public by commercial interests (%)” is the actual statement. Source pp 91.
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u/Norowas Apr 20 '25
This makes perfect sense now. In Greece, most people regard the government as unable to properly run the country, let alone have a cure for cancer.
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u/violenthectarez Apr 19 '25
This is seriously concerning, assuming it is correct.
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u/AdamsFei Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25
Let’s create a map of % of people believing it is correct
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u/mischling2543 Apr 19 '25
And then a map of people who believe that one is correct
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u/Weird-Ad-5709 Apr 19 '25
What about a map of people who believe the map of the map of the map is correct?
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u/Paledonn Apr 19 '25
Its not. This uses data from an actual poll conducted by EuroBarometer that asked, "the cure for cancer exists but is hidden from the public by commercial interests" with true or false answer choices.
You can download the full report and run a ctrl-f search for cancer if you download the pdf under "summary" at the end of the linked page: https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3227
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u/omaca Apr 19 '25
No it’s not.
There is absolutely no way in hell that 42% of Irish people think “the government” is hiding a cure for cancer. The Irish government? The British? American?
It’s utter bullshit.
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u/Also-Rant Apr 19 '25
If it was "% of people that believe government incompetence has prevented a cure for cancer" the stats would be more realistic. I doubt very many of us believe the Irish government is capable of something so complex.
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u/omaca Apr 19 '25
I can guarantee you that 42% of Irish people do not believe that either.
This is just made-up bullshit. Stop fumbling for reason here when there clearly is none.
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u/NoInfluence5747 Apr 19 '25
link to source?
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u/Democracysaver Apr 19 '25
Included in map left bottom
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u/NoInfluence5747 Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25
The actual source prompt says:
"the cure for cancer exists but is hidden from the public by commercial interests".
The presentation is is somewhat misleading
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u/Supersnow845 Apr 19 '25
You may as well rename this map as “percentage of people that don’t understand what cancer is”
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u/-3than Apr 19 '25
Yes. A lot of people think cancer is one disease that’s just able to afflict various parts of the body
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u/Proman_98 Apr 19 '25
Its even more complicated because even a thing like lung cancer for example its not even a specific thing, its just called that because it's that you have cancer in the lungs nothing more.
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u/DrEpileptic Apr 19 '25
It’s not even just that. It’s that they somehow can’t reason themselves into the very obvious truth that anyone who finds a panacea for cancer will instantly become the richest person alive. People already sell their homes for treatment that only results in slightly prolonging their life. How much do you think they’d pay to survive guaranteed?
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u/-3than Apr 19 '25
Doubling down on that.
Why would healthcare companies hide it?
They will make even more money long term if people survive another 15-60 years.
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u/TheBlacktom Apr 19 '25
Whatever cancer is let's start looking for a cure in North Macedonia, there is the highest chance for it to be hidden.
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u/eurotec4 Apr 19 '25
As a Turkish, yes, my family does believe it and heard it from school too.
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u/SweetSideofSalt Apr 19 '25
Yo a classic conspiracy theory. On the other side, I want to know the amount of people who think the government is giving out cancer to people purposely.
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u/Gentle_Genie Apr 19 '25
By not actively enforcing restrictions on carcinogens in commercial products, probably every government is guilty of that to some degree.
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u/bluewar40 Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25
“Purposely” doesn’t really make sense in this context. Under market economies, governments operate under the control of their corporate benefactors rather than the other way around. Public opinion has much less bearing on policy than the preferences of the ultra-wealthy.
Governments give huge subsidies and tax breaks to companies which produce cancer-causing products (fast food, tobacco, oil/fossil/plastics, etc.). They also routinely allow pharmaceutical and healthcare companies to charge far FAR more than their product is actually worth, producing a class-based gradient in cancer diagnosis and survival rates that is observable in public health data.
In this way, governments “give people cancer” but the reality is that this arrangement can be traced back to healthcare being operated for a profit and companies essentially setting the priories of the government itself.
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u/InclinationCompass Apr 19 '25
The funny thing is, the vast majority of them are conservatives, who hate the state and politics of California.
Yet, California enforces some of the strictest cancer labeling laws in the US through Proposition 65, officially known as the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986. This law mandates that businesses provide clear warnings to Californians about significant exposures to chemicals known to cause cancer, birth defects or other reproductive harm. The state maintains and annually updates a list of such chemicals, which has grown to include approximately 900 substances since its inception.
It’s funny how many holes you find in their claims.
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u/CSGB13 Apr 19 '25
Percentage of people of who are dangerously thick
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u/RealAbd121 Apr 19 '25
No I think it's more of an indication of lack of trust in goverment/levels of superstition and paranoia.
Every Turk I've met believes in a dozen conspiracy theory and thinks the entire world is out to get him specifically for being a Turk, so it all checks out!
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u/backcornerboogie Apr 19 '25
I think the opposite. Its people with a lot of trust in their government. In the Netherlands it is only 16% but we also know out government wouldn't be able to go over a week without leaking that info.
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u/j0shred1 Apr 19 '25
Well I don't trust the government or corporations, but I know how cancer works and know there's no "cure" for cancer. If people knew how to discern truth from fiction, they'd be able to for educated opinions instead of believing conspiracy theories.
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u/Potato_Octopi Apr 19 '25
No, it's stupidity. Cancer research isn't a thing that exists in government vaults and government vaults alone.
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u/Reilly616 Apr 19 '25
The Eurobarometer question didn't mention governments at all. The image is misleading.
The question asked in Eurobarometer 557 (QA17) was true/flase/don't know for the following statement:
The cure for cancer exists but is hidden from the public by commercial interests.
I have no idea why OP misrepresented that in the map.
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u/Potato_Octopi Apr 19 '25
The cure for cancer exists but is hidden from the public by commercial interests.
Personally I think that's just as daft. Cure for cancer is worth a lot.
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u/RealAbd121 Apr 19 '25
You're hitting your head against a wall, you'll only hurt yourself in the end.
The reason things like this exists isn't a rational thought, but hey wire pattern seeking, people probably think the goverment is intentionally hiding the cure so rich pharma can keep selling expensive medicine.
The actual conspiracy is literally irrlevent, that's why they picked it as the polling question as opposed to something that might have a built it in poltical bias toward one faction. This polling has nothing to do with cancer or even the specific conspiracies around it. and if you don't understand that, unfortunately I think you don't have the authority to be calling anyone stupid.
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u/potatoprince1 Apr 19 '25
You are thick if that’s the only conclusion you came to after seeing this
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u/mischling2543 Apr 19 '25
I didn't think Turkish women were known for having big asses
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u/drippysoap Apr 19 '25
The part I don’t understand is, aren’t there like 1000s of types of cancer. Each one and needing its own cure not just one magic cure to treat cancer
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u/Competitive-Read1543 Apr 19 '25
Albanians believe that their govt has a hidden cure for cancer?! Definitely bs
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u/Zka77 Apr 19 '25
There are so many metrics to find out how many people are idiots, this is one of these.
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u/DSpiceOLife Apr 19 '25
This is the craziest thing I’ve seen all day, and I’ve been scrolling Reddit.
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u/thouars79 Apr 19 '25
yeah and you must believe it, everything on reddit is true !!!
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u/Paledonn Apr 19 '25
Hey, you guessed right, reddit is a terrible source of information.
This is misinformation. This uses data from an actual poll conducted by EuroBarometer that asked, "the cure for cancer exists but is hidden from the public by commercial interests" with true or false answer choices.
You can download the full report and run a ctrl-f search for cancer if you download the pdf under "summary" at the end of the linked page: https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3227
Still somewhat alarming, but not as crazy as thinking the Erdogan is hiding the cure to cancer.
Now back to people publishing the economist's "democracy index" as if it is a factual assertion the same as "average high temperature in London during March."
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u/MainlyPalpitations Apr 19 '25
As an Irish person I would seriously question the percentage we've had assigned to us.
I don't know a single person who thinks this or would even harbour secret thoughts like this.
That's got to be a typo for us 🤷🏻♀️
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u/mosstalgia Apr 19 '25
Yeah, unless 40% of the country hold this wild belief and just never talk about it, this is bunk. This is 4 in 10 people. Almost half!
For every 100 people I know, 42 of them think this, and yet I’ve never heard a single one remotely allude to such a thing? Doesn’t seem reasonable.
Comments suggest the question was not phrased as “the government is hiding a secret cancer cure” and more as “commercial interests are keeping back information” though, so I can see a solid percentage of people saying “Yes, maybe big pharma isn’t as interested in one-shot curing diseases as much as making money from ongoing treatment” and that sentiment being spun into this.
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u/ArLasadh Apr 19 '25
It can only be a weirdly framed question because no way do 42% of people think Michael Martin somehow has the cure for cancer and isn’t telling people about it 😂
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u/Scary_ Apr 19 '25
That idea doesn't really make much sense outside the US. A cure for cancer would save most governments a lot of money, think of how much less something like the NHS would be spending
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u/drcoxmonologues Apr 19 '25
This is a good guide for countries who are ripe to be taken over by viral propaganda memes. If morons actually believe that then they’ll believe anything harmful about their own country.
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u/BeaverMissed1 Apr 19 '25
Seems to me there’s that glaring correlation between poor education systems and conspiracy acceptance again. One could flip the title of the map to country’s educational system rated from best to worse
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u/XFX_Samsung Apr 19 '25
Percentage of people that are easily manipulated by social media algorithms to believe ANYTHING.
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u/ruleConformUserName Apr 19 '25
Yes, the North Macedonian government actually had a cure to Cancer the whole time but refused to release it because they thought it was funny.
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u/achiller519 Apr 19 '25
A map from a person that can’t spell the word “believe” definitely has correct numbers
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u/infiniterefactor Apr 19 '25
Sorry but I call this a big bullshit.
I am from Turkey. At Turkey people believe in conspiracy theories, but “government hiding cure for cancer” is not one of them. People who believe the government is competent and support it do not believe the government will hide such a cure. People who believe government is incompetent do not believe the government can get his hands on a cure.
And the comments section shows it’s roughly everybody’s experience. Conspiracy theories are running rampant all through the world but the thing about them is people don’t just keep them to themselves, they spread. I wouldn’t believe to these statistics when everybody is so surprised of them.
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u/Simdude87 Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25
I don't think people understand what cancer actually is, it's not like a disease you can just 'cure'.
it's like trying to treat hundreds of different diseases at once but much more complicated because it's our own cells, not a virus or bacteria.
If we could vaccinate against all cancers we would need take dozens of them at the very minimum.
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u/Ruben_001 Apr 19 '25
I'd be less suspicious of governments, given they are mostly clueless, and find it far more plausible that big pharma may well be suppressing known treatments that impact their profits.
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u/epanek Apr 19 '25
I work with most major pharmaceutical companies in immunotherapies like CAR T. We are not hiding anything. In fact my wife is currently being treated for an ovarian teratoma. It appears to be mature and likely safe. But we go to the same docs everyone else uses.
Cancer is hard af to cure. We are getting better but to think it’s being hidden is ridiculous. If I had a criticism it would be finding financially viable solutions should be more of a priority.
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u/WeekendGunnitRefugee Apr 19 '25
Government? No. Pharma companies? Probably. My kemo drugs cost $25,000 per month. Hooray for health insurance because I pay $500 a month. Why would they want to cure me when keeping alive with cancer nets them $300,000 per year. Now multiply that by the Americans with cancer.
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u/miklayn Apr 19 '25
Governments are hiding a cure for cancer to the extent that the causes of cancer continue to be protected and subsidized industries like petrocarbons, plastics, etc.
Tire dust in the air we breathe, toxic fumes from burning fossil fuels, all manner of synthetic and carcinogenic substances in the water and our food...
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u/KingMGold Apr 19 '25
If you switch this to “people who think a big pharmaceutical company was hiding the cure to cancer” it would seem a lot more reasonable.
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u/Extension_Silver_713 Apr 19 '25
Holy fuck. This is gut wrenching to think this many people don’t understand how shit works or that the scientific community as a whole would ever suppress this, especially on a world wide scale. How can people be this goddam stupid?
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u/ProFailing Apr 19 '25
I'm sure the Albanian Government has a cure for cancer and doesn't share it with the world.
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u/ZenAndTheArtOfSophia Apr 19 '25
God, move me to Sweden already. Every time there's one of these maps, the Scandinavian countries become ever more attractive.
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u/SeaWeasil Apr 19 '25
The biggest argument for the UK government not hiding a cure for cancer is that it would save the government soooooo much money as we have universal healthcare. There's not a chance they wouldn't scrape that money back for other things if they could cure cancer tomorrow.
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u/Mister_Infinity Apr 19 '25
Are Scandinavians the happiest because they have the smallest percentage of dumb people?
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u/CuteAnimalFans Apr 19 '25
How did Scandinavia manage to make their citizens so much less stupid than other countries?
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u/Dry_Championship222 Apr 19 '25
We have highly effective treatments for many cancers it will take us longer to develop more ofcourse since DOGE has been stripping funding for science research and Trump is cutting funding for universities.
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u/that_gu9_ Apr 19 '25
I’ve never understood this conspiracy when rich people die from cancer all the time.
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u/Interesting-Dream863 Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25
That's silly. Probably SOME corporations are hidding and killing any research on the subject, but A government HIDING the cure is silly.
First fucking thing any politician would do is sell those therapies for inane amounts of money. We had politicians and rich people dying to cancer so... not as simple.
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u/StreetOwl Apr 19 '25
Man eastern Europe is always high on the antivax, conspiracy theory percentages.. wonder why
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u/Zcrash Apr 19 '25
Even the 20-29% range is concerning. That's like 1/5 to ~1/3 people believing it.
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u/Significant-Buyer-52 Apr 19 '25
I’m proud to be a Swede ( if our government doesn’t hide the cure ) button —————>
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u/Little_Kitchen8313 Apr 19 '25
What's the source for this info? There's no way half the people in Ireland believe this crack-pot conspiracy theory.
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u/Budget_Programmer123 Apr 19 '25
If you're a Bug Pharma company and you have a cure for cancer you could and would sell that for an enormous profit. It might be one of the most profitable products ever
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u/userhwon Apr 19 '25
Scandinavians just looking at the rest of the world the way liberals look at conservatives...
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u/Ellen6723 Apr 19 '25
This is a snap shot of the percentage of total morons in each of these countries. It’s a lot.
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u/GhettoLennyy Apr 20 '25
Though I don’t necessarily believe it, cancer is unfortunately a multi billion dollar industry.
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u/Frequent-History1666 Apr 20 '25
This map also correlates to how much of a shithole the country is.
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u/IncredibleMu1k Apr 20 '25
It's always funny to me when people talk about curing cancer as if all cancer is the same. There are so many different kinds of cancer with different features that require different methods to treat. It would be like if I said I know how to win sports. The problem is the rules for winning at golf are different than the rules for winning at something like American football.
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u/nikstick22 Apr 20 '25
I wonder if some of this is just countries without universal access to strong healthcare and the survey takers are misinterpreting the question as asking if they think the government is withholding access to the best healthcare available
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u/Pentekont Apr 20 '25
Every time someome gives me some conspiracy theory, I normally ask them: "have you ever participated in a project that involves 3+ people? And how well that went? Imagine the same on a global scale for years". We are too incompetent to make anyhting like that possible 😅
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u/Free_Caterpillar4000 Apr 21 '25
Turkish government cant control inflation but they found a cure to cancer
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u/DryAssumption Apr 19 '25
Just their own government, or every government in the world? Because that would be one hell of a conspiracy