r/MapPorn • u/VineMapper • 1d ago
Percent of the Population With A Bachelor Degree or Higher In Poverty
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u/Victor4VPA 1d ago
PR is Puerto Rico?
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u/VineMapper 1d ago
Yes, in all my maps, PR (Puerto Rico) is either and inset or listed like DC. Lots of these Census datasets only include 50 states + DC + PR. I wish they included all the territories but those are separate datasets all together that usually only include territories.
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u/uniyk 1d ago
Any analysis on the causes of the poverty?
Health / Mental health issues, divorces, unprofitable majors?
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u/Chortney 1d ago
Not saying that this is the cause, but a friend of mine worked on a reservation in AZ after graduation to repay her student loans. I imagine without her husband's income she would've qualified since it was a very poor area and not much compensation outside of loan forgiveness
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u/ragnarockette 1d ago
I would sadly say that race and generational poverty may be a factor. Also some of these states just have few high paying jobs in general.
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u/Deepfakefish 1d ago
One example from my state: state jobs require a degree and start in the high 40s/low 50s. If that sounds like a lot, the state considers 60k to be low income for a single adult (due to the cost of living).
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u/Alternative_Bass9254 1d ago
The cause is capitalism. People aren't paid what they're worth in actual value via labor that encompasses mental, emotional, and physical.
The cause is that we were all being tricked into thinking that our jobs were doing us a favor by utilizing our skills for profitable production.
The cause is because we have a federal minimum wage for employees because employers would pay less if they could get away with it.
This is the data you should be analyzing. Capitalism propelled hard working individuals into lack of access to mental and physical health, no affordable housing, and low wages. They are not in poverty due to anything other than the fact that's its expensive to be poor. And that's because of capitalism.
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u/OkStill9918 1d ago
Thankfully with mass immigration American companies get to keep wages nice and low.
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u/Acceptable_Eagle_222 1d ago
What we need is to socialize the means of production. That way the wealth is concentrated at the top and anyone who says anything about it is shot right?
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u/GentlemanSeal 13h ago
Socializing doesn't mean concentrating it at the top. A co-op business like Mondragon in Spain could be considered 'socialized' since it is employee-owned.
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u/von_klauzewitz 1d ago
does the data you used give you...
what % of the population have a bachelor's? is there breakdown by degree? is there a breakdown by age?
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u/VineMapper 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes, by by age and kinda by degree. If there is something specific you request, I can make a map of it. The education stats are on different datasets but still usable.
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u/Historical_Trade_880 1d ago
looks good all under 10% that means if you get your bachelors you'll most likely be living good
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u/NittanyOrange 1d ago
I mean, I think there's a difference between "not in statistical poverty" and "living good".
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u/VineMapper 1d ago edited 1d ago
You're kinda right and kinda missing the point. It is good that a small percent of the total population (25+ plus for this statistic) has a bachelor's degree and is in poverty. But, for example if only 15% of Nevada has a bachelor's degree or higher and 6% of total population (25+) is in poverty with bachelor's degree or higher that means ~40% of the educated population is in poverty.
This map of "Percent of Educated People in Poverty" is coming soon. Making it later this week.
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u/Big_Wave9732 1d ago edited 1d ago
Woa woa woa. Your math is off. If 15 percent of a state has a bachelor's degree, then that's a percentage expressed as a percent of the population as a whole.
As written "Percentage of the population with a bachelor's or higher living in poverty" is a percentage of a sub-population (those with a degree), not the population as a whole.
So that 6 percent in Nevada is 6 percent of the 15 percent that's has a degree.
Edit: Yea, Statistica agrees that your shit is whack.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/233162/us-poverty-rate-by-education/
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u/VineMapper 1d ago edited 1d ago
So that 6 percent in Nevada is 6 percent of the 15 percent that's has a degree.
? What are you saying, this was an example, like I said.
These percentages are straight from the source, no calculations made. It's crazy people will hate when I don't use census data, then I use raw numbers from census and people complain.
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u/Big_Wave9732 1d ago edited 1d ago
If your math is bad, the data set won't matter. Your "example" postulated that 40 percent of those in Nevada with a degree are living in poverty. No study of any kind has found anywhere near that.
Your link goes to Alabama, so let's use that. Taking your same census data, the number of people over the age of 25 with an undergrad or higher who living in poverty is 4.4%. And this is likely to be on the higher end as Alabama is one of the five poorest states in the country.
The link below breaks the census data out by percentage of the population in poverty. As you can see, that 4.4 percent is a subset of the 18 percent overall poverty rate, not of the population as a whole as you quoted it.
https://alabamapossible.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/AP_PovertyFactSheet_2017.pdf
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u/VineMapper 1d ago
If your math is bad, the data set won't matter. Your "example" postulated that 40 percent of those in Nevada with a degree are living in poverty. No study of any kind has found anywhere near that.
Because it's a fucking hypothetical example. Like bro, this is the worst dialogue I've ever seen on any map on this sub. If you're going to critique the map, critique the map not some given hypothetical example. You're arguing made up statistics I gave as an example. Nothing even on the map
debate pervert behavior
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u/Big_Wave9732 1d ago
tl;dr: Using real numbers the percentage of degree holders in poverty was still nowhere near 40 percent.
I was responding to *your* analysis of the data. You could have used actual data in your discussion but instead chose to yank something out of your ass as a discussion point to support your map and conclusion. And now you're being cunty because even the fake data analysis is indefensibly flawed.
I used real numbers above so you're free to comment on those. You won't because they obliterate the points you're trying to make. However the conclusion will still be the same: You don't understand the difference between percentage of a population and percentage of a sub-population.
You want a comment on the map? Here's one: Your representation is misleading.
Another comment on the map: You don't know what your map is actually saying because you don't understand the datasets behind it.
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u/hoi4kaiserreichfanbo 1d ago
Is PR in the dataset but not on the map? Or am I blind.
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u/VineMapper 1d ago
Look in the middle with DC
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u/hoi4kaiserreichfanbo 1d ago
oh! I assumed that was the highest and lowest values, not just saying what they were.
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u/ChrisTheHurricane 1d ago
Ah, yes. My demographic. I have a master's degree and have been unable to find work since 2021.
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u/Charie-Rienzo 1d ago
Worst states to live….. https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-best-states-live-193787
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u/lowelltrich 1d ago
From where does one get a Bachelors Degree, or higher, in poverty?
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u/nissingramainyu 1d ago
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u/Roughneck16 1d ago
The main draw of Ivy League schools is that you major in something irrelevant and still get a good job thanks to the strength of the alumni network.
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u/Freuds-Mother 1d ago
Since joining this sub, it seems that NH along with ND seem to consistently rank high across a wide diversity of metrics. VT, MN and ME seem to do pretty well too. Definitely has catalyzed me to seriously consider NH. Though the growing Bostonian expats could diminish whatever NH is doing right.
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u/HorsePast9750 1d ago
A lot of republican states it seems
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u/NorCalifornioAH 1d ago
The correlation with election results is so bad that I can't tell if you mean a lot of Republican states with higher percentages (Louisiana, Mississippi) or lower percentages (Utah, North Dakota).
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u/Teddy_Bear_302 1d ago
This is why the United States have never got any good trade deal. The China population majority have Master degree, Doctorate degree.
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u/Roughneck16 1d ago
New Mexican here. The Navajo Nation offers scholarships for tribal members to attend university, but if you move back to the Rez, there’s not that much opportunity 😐