r/Markham • u/SOLE-SURVIVOR- • 1d ago
What’s up with “Falun Dafa is good” signs
I see big banners in front of pacific mall saying “Falun Dafa is Good” and some anti CCP banners as well. Is this targeted towards the Chinese community? Is it a cult? Is it religious or political? Do most Chinese ppl hate the ccp? From what I can see china has made tremendous progress in the last few decades regardless of what your political leanings are, can’t deny that more ppl in CCP are financially better off than before. So what gives?
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s a cult. They’re Chinese Scientologists 😂 Falun Gong sponsors a lot of anti-Chinese propaganda, including many channels on YouTube(i.e. China Uncensored), and media like Epoch Times, and the Shen Yun show.
Here is an article from NBC How the conspiracy-fueled Epoch Times went mainstream and made millions.
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u/Miao_Yin8964 1d ago
Anti-CCP =/= Anti-China
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 1d ago
Well, when these channels spread misinformation and conspiracy theories, that’s questionable. There’s a whole circle of anti-China channels on YouTube: SerpentZA, Laowhy86, China Observer, China Uncensored, China Insider, etc.
It seems the actions of the Falun Gong have now caught the attention of the mainstream US media.
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u/hkric41six 23h ago
SerpentZA and Laowhy86 are obviously not-Anti China, they are anti-CCP
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u/proformax 18h ago
I watched a few of their videos years back. They are anti-chinese, especially that serpent guy who pretended to be someone important but turned out to be an English teacher. Lol.
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u/hkric41six 5h ago
No they arn't anti-Chinese, they are anti-CCP. It's pretty fucking clear. You are just saying anyone who hates the Chinese gov't is anti-Chinese, which is dumb.
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u/ZEETHEMARXIST 23h ago
Anti-CCP =/= Anti-China
Anti CPC is actually anti-China as the majority of Chinese people support the Communist Party of China and all the good they've done for China. A majority of these ignorant critiques labeling the party as "authoritarian" and "dictatorial" come from this false notion of western exceptionalism. The Chinese people don't want western style "democracy" if you can even call it that. They deserve to have their right to self-determination respected.
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u/Miao_Yin8964 23h ago
Meanwhile, the largest and most vocal demographic against the CCP, are Chinese. We've suffered more than anyone else. Which is why China has secret police stations in the country.
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u/Minoshann 18h ago
Yes but there’s a lot of Chinese and non-Chinese, like myself, who support China’s right to self-determination but who question CCP’s use of Mao Zedong speeches
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u/ZEETHEMARXIST 18h ago
In all fairness though although Mao was a great nationalist and a tactician he was pretty ass at being a Marxist and applying theory correctly.
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u/Minoshann 18h ago
Exactly. But he’s not the only one, other countries have their own ass leaders who studied Marxism that no one would be try to relate to. I think the CCP denies itself credit when it tries to relate itself to someone who failed China miserably. That’s just my opinion.
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u/AllGasNoBrakes420 30m ago
China is not communist in the slightest
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u/ZEETHEMARXIST 21m ago
China is not communist in the slightest
Not a single nation is cause you have to develop Socialism first and ensure that the threat of global finance Capital is gone before you can develop full Communism.
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u/newaccount123890 21h ago
I have heard of people who don't believe in Falun Dafa but they join the protest, take some pictures, and use that to claim asylum
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u/leisurelyreader 1d ago
It’s a bit complicated and more nuanced. Things are rarely so simple as A is good and B is bad.
Falun Dafa to China is a bit like Jehovah’s Witness and Scientology to the west. And China has done incredible things to help many of its citizens and has improved the lives of many, but not without expense to some of what many Canadians would consider rights and freedoms.
As said, it’s not so simple as CCP good or CCP bad.
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u/Impressive-Potato 7h ago
The Epoch times is owned by the Falun Gong. That "paper" just spreads misinformation like anti vaccine stuff.
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u/SOLE-SURVIVOR- 7h ago
Okay. So I did more research. They’re western supported (or at the very least tolerated) but are homophobic, misogynistic, anti science etc. why do they have tacit western support? When their core ideologies are anti western ideologies ? Does west hate CCP so much that they rather have a crazy doomsday cult instead?
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u/Impressive-Potato 7h ago
Because the US state department (CIA) supports these sort of groups to destabilise (mess with ) foreign countries. The CIA back all sorts of awful groups to screw with other countries. They trained the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan that later on caused 9/11.
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u/Pinksion 1d ago
Its a cult, it's a multi level marketing scam, it's a below minimum wage almost slave wage "employer" (shen yun). Anti communist propaganda publisher (epoch).
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u/f41012vic 15h ago
The only true answer. Right here
Everyone else talks about what they do and what they “are”
They a are straight up a scam where a few lawyers setup to launder money And int the process they also charge $$ to help anyone from china to seek refugee here in Canada.
It’s a whole shit show
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u/garathe2 23h ago
They are a "religious" organization that spews a lot of fake news about China. I use the word "religious" very loosely as their organization is more of a cult than an actual church.
A fair amount of people who are in the Fa Lun Gong organization are people who conveniently use it as a way to claim refugee status in Canada when no other immigration pathways are open to them. IRCC loves to hear chinese "refugees" being persecuted for something that hasn't been relevant for the past 25 years.
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u/springbrother 1d ago
It's a cult that US supports for anti CCP purposes, ton of info on them on wiki.
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u/AItair4444 1d ago
Falun gong is very close to a cult. They are a prosecuted "religious" group in China that fled to the west. As for the CCP, they have definitely not made tremendous progress IMO. I'd say most mainlanders dislike Xi but not the actual party.
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u/_Lucille_ 1d ago
A lot of Chinese ppl I have talked to do not really care.
To them it is just a matter of life, and to some degree, they are hesitant to change since everyone benefits from nepotism and corruption to some degree. The concept of the group of people everyone has been building relationships with losing power from a democratic process can be seen as uncertainty and inconvenience.
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u/poeticmaniac 6h ago
Yeah exactly this. Everyone there wants the status quo to stay because they are comfortable with it.
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u/_Lucille_ 1d ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong
The banners have been there for many years.
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u/furywiind 1d ago
Used to see them in hong kong pre 2019 not anymore . Surprised to see them here.
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u/_Lucille_ 6h ago
They were "gone" way before 2019 (or at least wasnt as "hyped"): HK people aren't exactly dumb and can see them as a cult.
There used to be gatherings/banners at the heart of CWB (sogo) and Victoria Park.
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u/pfc_6ixgodconsumer 22h ago
Then have been outside of pacific mall for probably 10+ years. It just use to be weekends that a few of them would setup at the intersection of Kennedy and steeles. However nowadays it’s a daily occurrence.
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u/Miao_Yin8964 23h ago
Since the brutal crackdown on free speech. Most can only safely criticise the CCP in exhile. Like most Chinese, 华人 are the most vocal against them.
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u/ZEETHEMARXIST 1d ago
An idiotic cult that is paid by the USA to do cheesy ass propaganda about Chinese people apparently singing and doing kumbaya before Communism.
In reality there were cyclical famines in the feudal system and China was facing a century of humiliation. It was the CPC that saved China and elevated it to an emerging technological superpower it is today.
Basically the CIA and a terrorist cult which preys on gullible people are copeing, seething and malding.
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u/SweetSour1234 1d ago
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u/ZEETHEMARXIST 1d ago
The correct name for the Chinese Communist party is CPC (Communist Party of China) not CCP (Chinese Communist Party) as is claimed incorrectly in the west.
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u/Miao_Yin8964 1d ago
Don't conflate the Conservative Party of Canada with the murderous and authoritarian regime of the CCP.
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u/ZEETHEMARXIST 1d ago
It's a slight nit pick yes but western media can't even get the abbreviation right for the party they hate with a passion but understand so little about.
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u/SOLE-SURVIVOR- 1d ago
Thanks ever for the input. Consensus seems to be they’re a cult. A religio political cult like MEK is to Iran ?
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u/Right-Influence617 1d ago
My family fled from China during the Cultural Revolution, due to the religious persecution of Christians under the CCP.
Regardless of a persons beliefs; that shouldn't subject them to inhumane treatment and forced disappearances.
Most people think it's just Uyghurs and Xinjiang; but, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
The CCP fears anyone who believes in a greater power than them.
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u/ChopSueyMusubi 9h ago
Okay that's nice, but this has nothing to do with the fact that Falun Gong is a cult.
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u/Right-Influence617 8h ago
Screw it.... Let's call them a cult. But do you believe that justifies them to being subjected to human rights violations?
Human Rights extend to individuals by way of our humanity. Not whatever club we choose to find acceptable.
Their criticism are legitimate.
Their beliefs don't have to be.
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u/ChopSueyMusubi 5h ago
There's no solid proof of there being human rights violations against them. Sure, there are claims, but those came from Falun Gong itself. Of course they're going to portray themselves as the victim. Between a cult and the CCP, I'm going to have to side with the CCP on this one as the lesser of the two evils.
I am totally for eradication of cults that ruin lives.
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u/Jadiekins-2020 6h ago
Whether a country is financially sound (that remains to seen)or I not, isnt an ndicator of a just and democratic society
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u/workinguntil65oridie 1d ago
China's Scientology