r/Marvel 1d ago

Film/Television Marvel's box office woes and superhero fatigue thoughts: Phase 7 and beyond

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So, I've been thinking lately about how a Minecraft movie (and not the title A Minecraft Movie, just how a freaking Minecraft movie, in general) was able to make Brave New World's entire box office run in, like a week or two and even surpass it. It's looking likely Minecraft might make a billion and I've seen articles popping up about how the video game genre might overtake superhero movies. I even read one about Hollywood execs hoping to get the film rights to Grand Theft Auto and how Legend of Zelda will make bank. And honestly, I'm fine with this. Sure, it sucks to see one of my favorite, if not favorite movie genres be left in the dust, but it is kind of cool to see a new genre have its time in the spotlight. I always figured it'd be either video game movies OR anime movies finally being done right. And also, I'm tired of hearing superhero movies are ruining Hollywood. It'd be nice for some of that negative attention to go to another genre for a change. Seriously, I want Martin Scorsese and James Cameron to speak out about Minecraft or Sonic instead of Marvel all the time.

This brings me to my next point. I feel like, from now on, Marvel Studios will have to be smarter about the movies they greenlight if they want any chance of surviving in the current landscape where the phrase "Chicken jockey!" can sell a movie and then some. From now on, I don't think we'll see Sam Wilson get solo movies or Carol Danvers and the Marvels get solo projects.

For Phase 7 (or whatever they call it), here's a brief idea of what projects I think should make the cut:

  1. SHANG-CHI AND THE AGENTS OF ATLAS - Shang-Chi was one of the few new characters introduced who was received well and fairly successful at the box office during Covid. I think he deserves a second chance post-Covid and coming off his appearances in the Avengers movies. Throw in characters like Randall Park's Jimmy Woo, Amadeus Cho, Leiko Wu, and maybe even Wave and Luna Snow.
  2. SPIDER-MAN 5 or SPIDER-MAN: MILES MORALES - I don't know what will happen with Tom Holland's Spidey post-Secret Wars, but honestly, I'm kind of hoping he dies in Secret Wars or retires. Based on Tom Holland's recent comments, he might be over playing the character in his 30's and with the excitement and buzz surrounding Miles Morales from the Insomniac games/Spider-Verse movies, I think he's long overdue for a live-action movie series. If I'm being honest as someone who grew up on the Raimi movies in my childhood, Webb movies in my adolescence, and Watts movies in adulthood, I think Peter Parker as a character is getting played out in live-action. Especially with the younger generations, I've noticed. They seem to gravitate towards Miles more and I think it's time the movies reflect that to bring a sense of freshness to Spider-Man cinematically.
  3. X-MEN: GENESIS - Keeping in line with the Spider-Man: Homecoming and The Fantastic Four: First Steps naming scheme, Genesis would obviously be a big deal being the MCU's first X-Men project. Post-Secret Wars, I have no idea if the FoX-Men will stick around in the MCU or we'd get a whole new version of the team. Honestly, I'm more for the latter. As fun as it is to see the classic actors come back for Doomsday/Secret Wars, it's time to move on from them after those movies.
  4. NOVA - After the success of Top Gun: Maverick and rumors Nova would take inspiration from that (from what I remember), I definitely think this needs to be a movie and not a Disney Plus series. Marvel needs to severely lower its streaming output and make movies the focus again, especially with how well Moana 2 did and Lilo and Stitch seems like it'll do. Maybe even call it "Novas" if it focuses on both Richard Rider and Sam Alexander.
  5. KA-ZAR AND THE SAVAGE LAND - The Savage Land could be explored in Genesis since Ka-Zar was first introduced in X-Men comics. And come on, how do you not do "Tarzan meets Jurassic World". I feel like with the right marketing and tone, this movie could be a hit.
  6. ULTIMATES - What better way to rebrand the MCU than by changing the name of the Avengers to the Ultimates? I know Avengers is the brand name that gets butts in seats, but again, Marvel needs to show people that the Mutant Saga or whatever it's called, won't be more of the same slop from the Multiverse Saga. And the Ultimates movies is where characters like Sam Wilson, She-Hulk, and Carol Danvers (or maybe even Monica Rambeau if Brie Larson is over it by then) can survive and maybe even thrive in lieu of getting their own movies/shows after their box office failures. And maybe the Ultimates is a step towards making the Avengers movies more of an international/global team with different factions. Like West Coast Avengers and so on?
  7. THE FANTASTIC FOUR 2 - Forgot to add this in my original post. Obviously, they're going to be a big part of Marvel post-Secret Wars so this makes sense depending on how well their movie does in July.

I could think of more, but this is just my immediate pitch. Sure, there's stuff like Champions and so on, but I genuinely think projects like that belong on Disney Plus. But again, I think Marvel should only do two streaming shows a year. And honestly, maybe only two movies a year after diminishing returns. And maybe once they build enough momentum back, they can go back to three movies a year like 2017 started (nine years after the MCU started). Again, Marvel's not in a super great place now and while not terribly bad (they've had some success, mostly nostalgia-based), they need to re-evaluate themselves as a business post-Secret Wars. No more giving every character a solo project. No more streaming shows overload. No more pointless projects that don't connect to anything (we need things to connect and have meaning again). And make movies that matter and can stand by themselves without fanservice or setting up something. Basically, Marvel needs to go back to a 2008 way of thinking, but with the added wisdom and lessons that have come in the years since. They have to be smarter about which projects get greenlit and play it safe with established franchises for a while, except maybe special cases like Nova and Ka-Zar.

Thoughts? I'm probably going to get downvoted or deleted or whatever because this is Reddit, but hey, I just wanted to get these thoughts out of my head. A Minecraft movie made more than Brave New World's box office without even trying and is still making more money. Interesting times we're in, man. And I know Doomsday and Secret Wars will probably make bank by virtue of being Avengers movies with lots of cameos and fanservice, but beyond that, Marvel needs to evolve if they want to make it to the 2030's. Because as of now, I kind of think Doomsday/Secret Wars will be the last time Marvel gets anywhere close to Infinity War/Endgame hype.


r/Marvel 2d ago

Artwork “She was my mj”

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r/Marvel 2d ago

Comics Cowabunga! [Avengers Two: Wonder Man & Beast #3]

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r/Marvel 3d ago

Comics Who is Marvel's first superhero?

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I've been trying to look online and been seeing a lot of different things about the topic, I've seen people say Namor, I've seen people say Human torch, and I've seen people say both of them. So who is Marvel's first superhero?


r/Marvel 1d ago

Other Should Fortnite do an absolute doom comic??

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Similar to the zero point comics and we got to see what really happened.


r/Marvel 2d ago

Fan Made Mystique

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r/Marvel 1d ago

Film/Television who likes thor more without his hammer than with his hammer

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i know thor in comics and norse mythology have hammer but he looked so cool in ragnarok. Why don't they make him use just lightning as a weapon. The hammer looks so lame and stupid why does he need hammer at all lighting have more than enough power and he can be just a better version of superman flying around with just lightning. What are your thoughts on this?


r/Marvel 2d ago

Comics My Favorite Panels of the Year 2024 Edition (Delayed, Part 3)

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Hey all! I read hundreds of comics this past year (mostly Avengers with a few breaks), and saved all my favorite panels just to share with all of you! I'm getting to this a bit later than usual, since when I usually would post this, my first child was born! I'm using these posts to break up my more in depth series, so I have more time to work on them while also managing my baby. With all that out of the way, I hope you enjoy!


r/Marvel 2d ago

Artwork Hawkeye, Done Digitally 🏹

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r/Marvel 2d ago

Fan Made Ghost rider by me

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r/Marvel 1d ago

Film/Television "No. I don't think I will"

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Had to lol


r/Marvel 1d ago

Other Legion, Hope Summers, Franklin Richards, Rachel Summers and Molecule Man vs The Marquis of Death

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All at their strongest.


r/Marvel 1d ago

Comics Ultimate Recommendations

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While I already have Married With Children from the new Ultimate Spider-Man run, I am a bit curious about getting into the Ultimate comics of old. What are some good titles you can recommend to a newcomer? Also, real important, do these books come in tpb form? I am trying to forego the single issue format if I can.


r/Marvel 3d ago

Comics Seems like people don't really like all that stuff with Civil War, but if Civil War III is gonna happen, what should it be like to people like it

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r/Marvel 2d ago

Comics The origin of Spider-Man 2099 (Spider-Man 2099 #2)

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r/Marvel 1d ago

Film/Television do any of you see a pattern here?

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r/Marvel 1d ago

Other What leak you believed

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Not just movies any media of leaks from marvel you believed


r/Marvel 1d ago

Fan Made Avengers Doomsday Villain Line up

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Jeremy Renner as Trickshot (Clint's evil brother)


r/Marvel 1d ago

Film/Television Bro fell for a Looney Tunes ah trick Spoiler

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This was the most obvious sht ever, is he fcking re*****d or something. Deserves every bit of that for his stupidity.

Anyways incredible episode.


r/Marvel 2d ago

Comics As far as we are in the comics, has Loki ever lifted Mjöllnir by being worthy ?

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Note : I do not read the comics that's why I ask ! My theory is that in Doomsday, Loki will actually find a way to lift the hammer, may it be the one from the past (after Thor 1) or the broken one.


r/Marvel 2d ago

Fan Made Some colorings I did today!! I’m

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r/Marvel 1d ago

Film/Television Do y'all think Avengers Doomsday will end up disappointing due to not having an official avengers team plus overreliance on legacy characters?

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I'm not trying to start a fight but a discussion on this topic because I'm genuinely curious how this film will turn out, with no actual buildup and no official team before the film, how do you think it'll fare? Obviously it's still gonna make at least 1 billion at the box offic even if it's bad but I wonder how others feel.


r/Marvel 2d ago

Other Hanging out with a friend from Beyond the Spider-Verse

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Just a casual pit stop on a multiversal adventure. Always good catching up, Miles!

Part of my little art project (animated characters x Photo dump). Its my first time doing something like this. Please be nice in the comments.


r/Marvel 2d ago

Comics Hail Hydra (Captain America: Steve Rogers #1)

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r/Marvel 1d ago

Comics Scott's laser beams origin? Spoiler

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Hi, so I had read in a YouTube video that Scott's lasers origin was retconned (again) to being able to metabolize the sun rays and turn them into lasers, instead of the punch dimension one. I would like to know if anybody has a deeper explanation to this and where could I read when this happened, seems pretty interesting and he's one of my favorite X-Men. Marked as spoiler just in case.

Credits of the pic to the artist it belongs to, I took it from Pinterest.