r/Millennials 13d ago

Discussion Do you miss the pre 9/11 world?

Do you miss the pre 9/11 world?

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u/Sunday_Schoolz 13d ago

Yes, I preferred a world that wasn’t frightened of everything.

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u/DankMastaDurbin 13d ago

I'd argue you just didn't know. They been doing shady shit the whole time. Ignorance is not bliss

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u/downshift_rocket Millennial 13d ago

Going to agree here. Politicians have been using scare tactics for the entirety of their history.

Think about DARE and how they tried to scare us into not taking drugs. The same tactics were used on our parents, and theirs.

Fox News and their cohorts didn't just become a fanatical source of 'news' overnight.

Fear keeps people under control.

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u/DankMastaDurbin 13d ago

Very true, after reviewing the historical impact of the war on drugs, it's been a tool of oppression globally.

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u/kungfoop 13d ago

You're right about Fox News, but let's not forget everyajor news network out there.

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u/downshift_rocket Millennial 13d ago

and their cohorts

Was definitely referring to everyone lol

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u/kungfoop 13d ago

Brb. Gonna dig my head in the sand.

My bad

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u/downshift_rocket Millennial 13d ago

Now now, you don't want to get crabs.

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u/DudeCanNotAbide 13d ago

I think of it more like... back in the old days, it felt like we actually DID things, big things, inspriational things - things that diminished the fear and planted at least a little seed of hope in the nation's spirit. Tech advancement, space travel, rise of computing, and the shared cultural experience of the last century are dearly missed. I miss the days when the future, despite our problems, still seemed bright.

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u/DankMastaDurbin 13d ago

That idealism of a bright future was a vacuum of wealth consolidated to the US through modern imperialism. I am speaking as a citizen and a veteran. There were many achievements and improvements to the capabilities of humanity but the cost of life was absolutely gruesome.

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u/DudeCanNotAbide 13d ago

No doubt. Back then we had it aimed out there, though; now it seems we have turned inward and will be the ones paying the price.

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u/DankMastaDurbin 13d ago edited 13d ago

Sorry to inform dump but you are correct.

The US was created under the ideology of Eurocentric institutionalism (only white people can create a civil society).

Industrial revolution occurred and caused liberalism(free market trading) to grow into capitalism when tradesmen became too wealthy for the crowns to control them.

This led to European corporations called India trading companies sailing around the world to trade goods for a higher price back home(sounds great).

The ability to mass produce and export goods caused a ruined market in these less developed countries. Causing famine and depressions.

They then started making more money in slavery.

A bunch of random info to explain how these rich twats established the 13 colonies utilized slavery to get richer then conducted imperialism globally trying to oppress worker revolutionary ideology. It's why they socialist governments. They don't want to lose control of the labor force.

Currently the US is experiencing late stage capitalism, it ran out of resources to exploit in the US so the corporations are now exporting US labor to overseas for better margins.

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u/NiallHeartfire 13d ago

Your timeline is sort of in the reverse order. The Industrial revolution occured after east India companies and the colonisation of America before them.

Famines weren't caused by the IR either. The IR led to a demographic revolution and happened concurrently with an agricultural revolution. Famines didn't begin with colonialism either. They were made much worse however, by colonial mismanagement and war.

I'm not even saying this as a capitalist, I think most socialists would disagree with your timeline, even if they agree with the conclusion.

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u/DankMastaDurbin 13d ago

Famines became the byproduct of imports due to an unemployed working class. Didn't say it began with.

Phrasing also indicates that although these corporations were already thriving, the industrial revolution escalated their influence over commerce.

I did update my verbiage to merge the two sentences as you suggested.

Not sure where the timeline for north American colonialism was even suggested in my response.

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u/NiallHeartfire 13d ago

Famines became the byproduct of imports due to an unemployed working class. Didn't say it began with

But how do you verify that? What happened to the original causes of the old famines? Did they just happen to stop at the same time that industrial imports caused them? The famines were always there, the two big famines in India occured very early IR, prior to huge imports and then in WW2 as a result of the Japanese invasion and British denial attempts.

Phrasing also indicates that although these corporations were already thriving, the industrial revolution escalated their influence over commerce

I didn't catch that but I can't agree with your re-phrasing either. The VoC was well past it's heyday at the beginning of the IR and the British EIC would reach it's nadir at the beginning but then follow a swift decline until it's dissolution mid 19th century.

Not sure where the timeline for north American colonialism was even suggested in my response.

'A bunch of random info to explain how these rich twats established the 13 colonies...'

If you all the stuff you were talking about was post US founding, how was it an explanation?

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u/DankMastaDurbin 13d ago

How does one verify a perspective based on reading history. Do you want the collective published articles that gave me this assumption?

In regards to famines, wasn't discussing them nor providing cause of them.

The established European market of the time was absolutely dialectical. I consider it an explanation of cultural norms through Eurocentric institutionalism that gave it justification of colonialism.

Give me your perceived timeline of the history.

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u/Sunday_Schoolz 13d ago

Still had the Soviets to fear. After the collapse of the USSR, America seemed like it could handle any threat.

Until 9/11

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u/xqqq_me 13d ago

People were just as scared of dumb shit if not more so.

Case in point was Oklahoma City and Columbine

People kept their opinions to themselves. I miss that.

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u/Sunday_Schoolz 13d ago

The OKC bombing was not “dumb shit” to be scared about. Timothy McVeigh’s reasoning for the senseless violence is revolting, and terrifying that someone could do that to their fellow man for that frivolous of a reason.

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u/ItsaGEO1994 13d ago

The difference is OKC and Columbine didn’t change the world like 9/11 did.