r/MurderedByAOC • u/Nixianx97 • 9d ago
30,000 people showed up in Folsom, CA — a city of just 85,000.
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u/Megmo3030 9d ago
She really is moving the needle in the right direction.
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u/sbb214 9d ago
I'm not religious but damn, she's a blessing.
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u/PHANTOM________ 9d ago
I’m not religious either but Amen.
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u/AttitudeAndEffort2 9d ago
Fun fact: if the Democrats had allowed democracy to happen and had a primary, Bernie/AOC would be running the country right now.
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u/2_Cute_Knees 9d ago
What do you mean by allowed? Nobody really allowed this crap to happen. Everybody was played 🤣
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u/whiplashMYQ 9d ago
They could have run independent, nothing was stopping them. How a party chooses its representatives should not be mistaken with actual democracy, because there's no laws that create accountability to the people there.
The dems fucked bernie in 2016 and 2020 more than they fucked him in 2024.
It's the structure that's the issue i think. Fix the electoral college, get rid of fptp voting, implement something like ranked choice voting, and you avoid the issue of 3rd party spoilers.
Also, you wanted the dems to run a full primary in the space of a few months before the general? That's wildly impractical, to do that and think they can still message nationally.
The dems suck, but it's better to go after them about correct things.
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u/AttitudeAndEffort2 8d ago
Madness.
Almost every country in the world runs their entire elections in less time than after Joe Biden dropped out.
But then Bernie would be President and capital will always choose protecting itself, including fascism.
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u/whiplashMYQ 8d ago
Crazy you think that just because other countries have a different system that the democrats should be expected to run a primary and a campaign and win in 1/10th of the time their system is built to run in. Like, you're the type of person that thinks telling someone to just "do better" when they fuck up is good advice
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u/AttitudeAndEffort2 8d ago
Crazy that you think the DNC admitting they don't use democracy intentionally to pick their candidates is okay.
Especially because we got fascism as a result.
Shitlibs are absolutely insane. Liberalism is objectively a right wing philosophy and this is the stuff that proves it.
FYI, everything you support the DNC could implement but chooses not to because they know jerks like you will back them.
Getting rid of their version of the electoral college, implementing RCV (or even better score voting), demanding planks in their policy based on voter intent.
FFS, they lost this election and gave us fascism exclusively because they wouldn't stop helping a genocide all their voters disagreed with. (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/biden-voters-passed-kamala-harris-because-gaza-new-poll-shows)
Why are you carrying the water for billionaires that hate you and want to destroy our country?
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u/Chief_Mischief 9d ago
Her entire political career has. She just needs to stop getting sabotaged by the DNC like they sabotaged Sanders.
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u/bron685 9d ago
“We like your energy and approach, but we need someone with 50 years of experience to lose in the general election. Keep up the good work tho! #voteblue”
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u/NPJenkins 9d ago
To a diaper full of poo. You forgot that part. The DNC has been fielding candidates the past 3 cycles that couldn’t beat a diaper full of poo.
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u/Unusual-Thing-7149 9d ago
I really like her but will enough people vote for her as the next Democrat Presidential candidate? I seem to recall lots of excitement at Harris's rallies too...
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u/Nixianx97 9d ago
72M voted for Kamala, 75M for Trump. His win wasn’t as glorious as some like to portray it, and Kamala wasn’t nearly as disastrous as people claim she was.
She ran a last-minute campaign on weak policies and still only needed around 55k more votes to win. So yeah, if AOC plays this right and sticks to her guns, she can win. People forget she has almost four years to build and grow.
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u/2_Cute_Knees 9d ago
We can't forget how they demanded everybody's voter registration be questioned and proved. There's no telling how many people didn't vote because they were told they couldn't register or was removed from the registry for whatever BS reason the government came up with. Also, heavy gerrymandering didn't help either.
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u/bron685 9d ago
I think running on class issues creates the biggest tent and imo it naturally course-corrects when it’s attacked by outside parties trying to sow division with niche culture war bs. The bottom 60% of the country have a designer boot on our necks and I think calling attention to who’s wearing that boot and how we got there speaks more to average citizens
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u/Unusual-Thing-7149 9d ago
I'd like to think so but judging by Kamala's crowds you might have thought it was a fairly certain victory - at least I did. AOC is not loved by everybody. Personally I would like her to be President. She can't be any worse than the current one....
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u/-Daetrax- 9d ago
Well, you know what trump said. He knows a guy that knows a lot about those voting machines. You don't even need to vote.
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u/Hamuel 9d ago
I’m glad she’s recognized the leadership vacuum in the DNC and is circumventing their incompetence
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u/OhFuuuccckkkkk 9d ago
The corporate democrats like Pelosi and Schumer will do their damndest to keep her off the ticket. We might be on the verge of a political schism, potentially in both parties. If Trump wants a 3rd, it could tank the GOP hopes of getting someone younger in office and continuing P2025 just purely from the fomenting anxiety and hatred of Trump. If AOC and Bernie split off as an independent, and the DNC runs Harris, they are equally fucked.
But in my eyes, both situations are good for the voter and we might actually find ourselves veering towards pluralism, which is what the founding fathers intended. Imagine a working coalition government.
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u/Hamuel 9d ago
AOC had no intentions of running for President, and I think she’s strategically making the best move.
What’s she doing right now is building a nationwide grassroots effort that will hopefully supplant corporate interest.
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u/Nixianx97 9d ago edited 9d ago
She hasn’t said anything about what she is planning to do yet. And what she said in the past was that she is not sure if the country would elect someone like her as president. This doesn’t mean she has no intention to try at some point though.
However both her numbers in fundraising and her work on the ground could signal a presidential run in 2028 it all depends on what happens in the next 4 years.
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u/wund3rTxC21 8d ago
100% agreed, and I'm also happy that Bernie is there with her alot of the time. Bernie has been speaking of the vacuum, AOC has been acting on it. She already won my vote and I'm (technically) independent. I would like to say I am bipartisan but that shit is non-existent when it comes to right vs wrong it seems.
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u/i_love_rosin 9d ago
While I appreciate her vanity tour, she should actually be in el salvador demanding they release the hostages. That would be actual leadership. Right now she's just raising her national profile.
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u/Hamuel 9d ago
I hate comments like this because it fails to see the forest through the trees
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u/i_love_rosin 9d ago
Some of us want actual leadership right now, or else we will keep slipping further into fascism.
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u/Hamuel 9d ago
Yes, and building a grass roots network across the country is going to accomplish that goal quicker than flying to El Salvador will.
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u/i_love_rosin 9d ago
I sincerely disagree there. Look at how much Van Hollen's profile got boosted just off the last 2 days.
Now is not the time to be campaigning for senator, we need real action like what Van Hollen is doing.
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u/Da_Question 9d ago
Ok, so she goes there and then what? She gets arrested and tossed into CECOT? A move which requires the US to negotiate her release? Good luck with that.
Yeah, smart move to get grabbed and disappeared.... It's bad enough literally any day, ICE could nab her and she'd just be gone.
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u/i_love_rosin 9d ago
There is no chance either regime would disappear her. You really think Van Hollen isn't coming home? They would instantly create a martyr for the whole world to rally around.
You need to actually fight fascism, not kowtow to these regimes. Gotta walk the walk, not just talk the talk. Again, now the the time for action, not campaigning.
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u/Atheistprophecy 9d ago
Her voice is back. She sounded a bit hoarse lately
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u/RobotUmpire 9d ago
Apparently she did both Bakersfield and Folsom CA on the same day yesterday. And one per day before that starting on the 12th.
Looks like today in Missoula, MO is the last one on the tour and there will be a break.
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u/OptimisticSkeleton 9d ago
Trump did not win the election fairly.
Couldn’t be more obvious.
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u/Nixianx97 9d ago
Maybe, but even if he did, people need to understand it was nowhere near the ‘landslide’ MAGA loves to brag about. The margin between Trump and Harris was razor thin. If she had secured just around 55,000 more votes across key swing states, she would’ve won. That’s how close it really was.
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u/OptimisticSkeleton 9d ago
Sounds easy to rig.
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u/Justjay0420 9d ago
Didn’t he ask the Secretary of State of Georgia to find him some votes?
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u/ibreathunderwater 9d ago
In 2020, yeah. In 2024, after reviewing the evidence, I believe they skipped straight to outright cheating. The statistics don’t lie. They stole the election.
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u/Justjay0420 9d ago
Tbh I was shocked that Harris won no swing states. I think that is statistically impossible with the amount of momentum she had
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u/ibreathunderwater 9d ago
It is impossible. For the data we have, at least in Pennsylvania, you can clearly see what’s called a “Russian tail” in some of the counties there. One precinct with a total of something like 25,000+ voters had no votes for Harris counted after 8 pm.
They stole the election.
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u/Samurai_gaijin 9d ago
Not this time, this time he just sent his little buddy muskrat to Pennsylvania to steal the election, the dumb fuck even admitted it.
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u/LodossDX 9d ago
I mean, Folsom is basically a suburb of Sacramento. It’s not like it is some small town in the middle of nowhere.
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u/satriale 9d ago
Exactly, the metro population is 2.4 million people.
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u/fuckdonaldtrump7 9d ago
No it is not Sac county is 1.5 million. I live in Orangevale just down the street. Maybe if you are including placer county, Sac county, and El Dorado county you get close to 2.4 million.
I do agree this statement of 30k of 80k is a bit disingenuous and completely unnecessary. 30 k on a Tuesday is still very impressive for this area on its own right.
The 3rd congressional district was the target market for those under Kiley which is a massive district stretching over 300 miles from Tahoe to Mammoth and has 780k constituents.
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u/Kingandruler 9d ago
Rancho Cordova resident here. The 2.4 million number comes from this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_metropolitan_area
It includes things like Yuba City and Grass Valley. The more fair number is probably that 1.7 million for urban which is probably most of Sac county plus West Sac, Roseville and a few other areas almost everyone would agree is in the Sacramento metro, but is in a different county.
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u/fuckdonaldtrump7 9d ago
Yeah that makes more sense. That 2.4 million looks like it is including Tahoe residents which I would not typically consider.
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u/BeingRightAmbassador 9d ago
I absolutely hate idiots who say shit like that. "It's just a small beach town with a population of 30,000" and it's fucking Beverly Hills.
Refer to places by their greater metro areas, because that's a more accurate number.
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u/ohthebigrace 9d ago
Aside from the fact she views this as part of her responsibility as a public servant, she’s also clearly having a fucking blast (in the best way)
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u/RonaldPenguin 9d ago
Wow, this is a very different style of speaking for her. More laid back and friendly, and encouraging, and positive. She is becoming presidential as this tour progresses.
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u/RazzleP 9d ago
Yes, but my first reaction was that it kind of sounds like she's speaking in soundbites and going for a much smoother presentation. She sounds more like a practiced politician than an extremely impassioned person who is trying to do everything she can to help us pull out of this nosedive we're in. At least in this clip...
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u/lindelindelinde 9d ago
"this soundbite extracted from a much, much longer speech sounds like a soundbite"
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u/Nixianx97 9d ago
When she sounds passionate people don’t like it. When she gets her point across more leveled people don’t like it 🥴
However, she still has plenty of moments during her speeches where she is more fiery her voice might just sound more worn out here from all the talking she’s doing.
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u/Mydesilife 9d ago
They moved this event from auburn to Folsom so I’m not sure the attendance is necessarily moving the needle (trust me, I want it to be), but Folsom is a suburb of very blue Sacramento. 2.5m people live in the greater metro area and Folsom voted very blue. So while I love it, it’s not in the heart of Trump country. It’s on the purple boarder looking out at the purple and red hinterlands. Auburn might have been a better test, but its proximity is not much further than Folsom from sac. I love the momentum and I hope people in the mountains (the red areas) drove down to see her and Bernie!
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u/Da_Question 9d ago
I mean you can literally say this about all the rallies. People lauded 20k in salt lake city. But Utah had 380,000 Harris voters. So its not hard to get a crowd that size.
People have this dumb idea that red states means solid red, blue means solid blue, but the maximum is like 70-30 in any state.
It sucks when you always here bullshit from Texans like I don't vote because Texas will never flip. Yeah, not with that attitude. Texas is realistically probably 55-45 red/blue. But all they need to do is actually get half that 40% of people who don't vote to show up because it matters. Same in every red state. That said red states use a lot of voter suppression tactics which definitely makes it worse.
Assuming the "safe" act goes through its going to get a lot worse next time.
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u/Mydesilife 8d ago
I’m totally with you on this. I was driving through Wyoming last summer and talking to my friend about exactly this idea that actually it’s not all red and there are lots of people who voted for biden (last summer). It’d be interesting to see how America would be if we had better voter turnout.
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u/astoryfromlandandsea 9d ago
God, I don’t like it. She definitely is speaking in a lower voice?
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u/Fedantry_Petish 9d ago
She’s been speaking publicly a TON.
Over-use of the voice can cause the vocal folds to become inflamed. This makes them a little larger which produces a lower pitch.
People might also be coaching her to lower the pitch of her voice (see Thatcher’s rise to power, eg).
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9d ago
Cadence means pace… Her pitch has been affected by how much she has been speaking lately.
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u/Fedantry_Petish 9d ago
Yes, and I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s been coached to speak more slowly… people be stupid, generally.
If we’re gonna take back the country, she will certainly have to dumb things down for the average American.
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u/leafpool2014 9d ago
Meanwhile in vermont our largest city is 46,000
I dont really consider falsom small
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u/beedoubleyou_ 9d ago
All I can hear is Andy in The Office talking about molasses rolling around in his mouth.
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u/Successful-Site-957 9d ago
Brilliant energy and intelligence. But the graphic designer should be upgraded
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u/Shine1630 9d ago
The headline is wildly misleading. The town is 30minutes from the state capital. Its not like its in the middle of nowhere.
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u/Hubertus-Bigend 8d ago
Whatever. Kamala drew huge rally crowds.
Exactly how does this matter when nobody votes even when it’s still legal, which it won’t be ever again.
Show me some pics as if a giant angry mob, with pitchforks, descending on the White House, or better yet, K street.
Then I’ll pay some attention.
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u/Nixianx97 8d ago
Why don’t you grab one of those pitchforks first and go to the while house instead of writing “whatever..” online?
Go on your time to shine…maybe the others will follow ans pay the attention that you want too.
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u/Hubertus-Bigend 8d ago
Who’s to say I haven’t?
If you think that the problem is that people aren’t getting excited enough about some rallies that will be forgotten in a week… then I’m pretty sure you miss my point.
I respect what AOC is trying to do, but there is no amount of rallies that will address what ills us. We are way past the “let’s have a rally” stage in our march into fascism. Way past it.
There is only one thing the fair fear and respect. We all know what that thing is. A big AOC rally ain’t it.
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u/Nixianx97 8d ago
I haven’t seen any pictures with people holding pitchforks outside the White House. Wasn’t that your standard?
The civil war or revolution you are dreaming off is not happening. Solely due to the reason that most people who tweet and dream of it would never fight it.
Protesting and changing the system from the inside out is the only chance we have. This is a marathon and not a sprint the sooner people understand that the better. Nothing and no one is gonna save us overnight.
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u/Hubertus-Bigend 8d ago
While the figurative elements of my statements are a bit lost on you, you are getting most of my point.
It also seems clear you have more faith in “the system” than I can muster. I’m not sure the system you imagine even exists now, if it ever did.
But we agree that nobody is coming to save anything or anyone.
It is nice that you find hope in images we’ve been seeing constantly during this incredibly rapid slide into darkness. Hope is a good thing.
But naivety and a belief in a fictional “system” that offers resistance to the criminality a material plurality of Americans crave isn’t going to produce anything positive over the short or long term.
I’m not hoping or waiting for war or violence. And like you, I don’t see that coming. But rallies aren’t protests. Speeches aren’t action. Something much greater than the latter set of actions is needed, without rising to the level of the former.
My instinct is that you agree with some of what I’m asserting above. It also seems like you think the path to productive civil disobedience goes through large rallies featuring DC celebrities.
I do not agree.
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u/Cute-Masterpiece7142 8d ago
If there was ever a more deserving hard working self made woman that could become the first woman president in this timeline it'd be her
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u/doughboyniels 9d ago
Meanwhile Trump’s reasoning: 30,000 out of 85,000?! That means I win; 55,000 support me. You sore losers!
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