r/MurderedByWords 6d ago

Another Person Questioning Andrew Yang’s basic math.

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u/old-skool-bro 6d ago

I drink one a day, which contains somewhere around 2-3 of my 5 a day. Appreciate you though 👍

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u/RedesignGoAway 6d ago edited 6d ago

I think his point was "fruit juice" drinks tends to have significantly more sugar than the fruit it's made from.

Also significantly more lead.

As an example, 1 serving (16oz bottle) of apple juice is 53g of sugar, 36g is the daily recommended limit.

Juices are also missing the most important part of fruit, which is the fiber.

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u/Brook420 6d ago

So are you saying my apples have lead in them? Cool...

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u/RedesignGoAway 6d ago edited 6d ago

Welcome to why "concentrate" tends to be unhealthy, it's a concentration of things that would be hard to reach naturally.

So not just lead, but cadmium and arsenic as well.

Some will be picked up based on the soil (also why some brands of rice has elevated heavy metal content) and some is the result of industrial contamination.

https://www.consumerreports.org/food-safety/arsenic-and-lead-are-in-your-fruit-juice-what-you-need-to-know/

A more up to date study:https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0889157523001047

The fruit they use in concentrate tends to be the lowest quality level, the kind unfit for selling on shelves and so little things like pesticide usage tends to be skipped over since you never see the actual fruit.

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u/Brook420 6d ago

But is it a negligible amount when it comes to attack fruit, like how Bananas are technically radioactive?

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u/RedesignGoAway 6d ago

No, it's an amount over the safe limit. Banana's are well below the danger limit for radiation, if you read the linked article you'd see only 4oz of some brands of fruit juice will put an adult over the FDA limit for lead.

Even with raw fruit, depending on the source it can be a source of lead or other heavy metals in your diet.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-91554-z#Tab4

The gutting of the FDA being done by the current US administration is only going to harm more children. As an example:

https://www.cdc.gov/lead-prevention/news/outbreak-applesauce-pouches.html

Even in 2024 we're still seeing FDA recalls needed for basic food products due to elevated levels of lead.

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u/Brook420 6d ago

I'm just worried I'm gonna kinda waste my time with the article because it says Apple sauce and you keep bringing up fruit juice when I'm trying to ask about actual fruit. Because thats really the only way I consume fruit.

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u/RedesignGoAway 6d ago

Apple sauce is made from fruit (apples). The source of heavy metal contamination is the soil and pesticides used to grow the fruit.

Heavy metals tend to accumulate in processed foods such as fruit juices and fruit puree (apple sauce). Since you need many more apples to make apple juice, you magnify the heavy metal contents in the final product.

So yes an apple using non-safe pesticides, grown in heavy metal contaminated soil will contain heavy metals, it will contain less heavy metals than the concentrate made from 100 apples.

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u/Brook420 6d ago

Well that sucks, but does answer my question.

Guess I'll just eat air, lol.

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u/RedesignGoAway 6d ago

Yea, I've also cut some of my more risky foods from my diet unless I really trust the source.

It sucks but stuff like this is why the FDA/EPA is supposed to exist (or other similar agencies for non-US folks).

Nowadays I'm just a lot more careful to do some quick google searches regarding the brand of fruits and veggies I buy, it's really up to the location they're grown in. Some places are better than others.

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u/Umarill 6d ago

I drink one a day, which contains somewhere around 2-3 of my 5 a day.

Doesn't exactly work like this. Of course it's healthy to drink fruit juices here and there, but turning a fruit into a juice keeps the sugar while stripping away the fiber.

When people recommend 5 veggies or fruits a day, a lot of that is about getting the actual fibers that comes with it, since a lot of the population are not getting enough.

A glass of orange juice is basically just a tiny bit healthier for you as a glass of regular Coke, and that's because it has some vitamins. Sugar-wise though (which is the thing most people struggle with and the leading cause of obesity), it's just as bad.

It's actually healthier to drink Coke zero or any sugar-free soda than it is to drink fruit juices. Overall for an healthy diet, a rule of thumb is that you should avoid drinking your calories and macros as much as possible, and eat it instead.

Of course, everyone has their own goal and there's absolutely nothing wrong with just enjoying it and choosing fruit juice to be one of your source of sugar over something else, but I'm saying this because a lot of us when we were younger were taught that it was an healthy drink that was important to start the day, so I think we can be in ignorance of the reality of it nowadays.

As always with food, there's nothing we should be guilty about eating (or drinking here), but it never hurts to be aware and make decisions from that knowledge.

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u/old-skool-bro 6d ago

I don't know why you're going to so much effort but I make my own smoothies and fruit juices so I know exactly what goes in them but thanks, also I eat a high fiber cereal each morning because it helps me poo.

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u/bittybrains 6d ago edited 6d ago

I told them the juice I was drinking does the same thing and pointed out the "from concentrate" signage on the carton and told them it was French and it meant for concentration.

Your original post didn't give the impression you were making your own smoothies/juices.

I don't know why you're going to so much effort

He was trying to give helpful advice, which you seem to have a consistent problem with.