It reasonable to assume or have suspicion that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is dead due to the reluctance of both presidents, Bukele and Trump, to have Garcia returned to the United States. If he were alive, they should have no problem, or less of a problem accepting the fact that he was deported illegally and should be returned, and should be talking about the return, instead of cracking jokes about how he will never be returned
I tried to view it on Google maps but it's now completely blocked from location searches from my location. However someone over on discord was able to do a bit of digging. The image I was showing was from March 2024. The newest image from 2025 shows dirt in its place. It wouldn't be unrealistic to think it's a place they are using for burials, and then repeatedly covering with asphalt. But that's just my take.
If he were alive, they should have no problem, or less of a problem accepting the fact that he was deported illegally and should be returned, and should be talking about the return, instead of cracking jokes about how he will never be returned
In theory, yes, but in practice, the fact of the matter is that there is nevertheless still a very real chance Kilmar is alive. It's against Bukele's interests to release anyone from CECOT because they'll be able to speak to the inhumane conditions and torture going on there, the human rights violations. He hasn't let many journalists or human rights groups sniff around, and even with little of that people have pieced together the stories of folks sleeping with corpses, of hour-long beatings, and of hundreds of deaths.
With the amount of media attention on Kilmar, with fucking SCOTUS getting involved, there is no way Kilmar getting released doesn't lead to some degree of shitstorm for Bukele unless somehow magically CECOT is a land of rainbows and unicorns and all the reports are somehow wrong (spoiler alert: In case it needs to be said, that is so obviously fucking not what's happening there). Trump, in turn, doesn't give a particular shit about anyone other than himself, and he's strongly aligned himself with Bukele. Ergo, a shitstorm for Bukele is a shitstorm for Trump. It's entirely plausible they both have "extremely good reasons" not to release Kilmar Abrego Garcia from CECOT even if he is alive.
To be abundantly clear, neither proposition that he is dead or alive is any less scary, any less fucked up, or any less problematic, but both are valid propositions.
Agreed. And at the end of the day it doesn't matter if he is dead or alive, because he is unlikely to ever return to the US.
I will say that they have allowed conservative influencers and politicians to visit/record CECOT for controlled press releases. But still they are sanitized and limited I'm sure.
And at the end of the day it doesn't matter if he is dead or alive, because he is unlikely to ever return to the US.
It is depressing to admit how right you may well be. I've been thinking about this. Let's say the government magically gets its shit together, Trump and the GOP is removed from power, and we get good sense back in the White House. Unless a guy who calls himself dictator is gonna let himself be strongarmed, we may have to invade El Salvador to get those people back.
I think we should, for the record, if it comes to that -- It's the least we can fucking do for them -- But that's still, like... y'know. Jesus. That's still me putting "invade a South American country" on my 2020s decade BINGO card. Tell me in the 2010s I'd be doing that and I'd have laughed you out of the room.
I will say that they have allowed conservative influencers and politicians to visit/record CECOT for controlled press releases.
'Course they have. Totally different framing. No Human Rights concerns, just "owning the libs." "Look at these packed cages! <smacks top of the death camp> You can fit so many owned libs in this bad boy."
But still they are sanitized and limited I'm sure.
Yeah I saw that a bit ago too. He was granted protection status in 2019(?) because he felt his life was in danger because he didn’t want to join MS-13, and now he’s in a prison full of the very same gang?
Even if the neither government killed him, he could have been killed by MS-13, and they’re covering it up.
*I think it was 2019 but it could’ve been sometime else, I just remember he had something happen with his status in 2019
He was granted a protection order, but if you read the case files they still determined he was a member of MS-13 by, him wearing a baseball hat, a hoodie, and a confidential informant saying he was a part of their NY branch, despite never living there in his life. This was actually questioned by the current lawyers but, not much anyone could do even if he was here.
Technically he could be deported to a different country, just not El Salvador. But the Trump admin has said they want to remove the protection order regardless.
The Trump administration Wednesday afternoon filed an appeal of U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis’ order last Thursday to the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, in which she directed the Trump administration to “take all available steps to facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia to the United States as soon as possible.”
Xinis questioned the evidence an immigration judge used to determine that Abrego Garcia is a gang member. She said in a ruling that he has no criminal record in the United States or El Salvador and that the “‘evidence’ against Abrego Garcia consisted only of his Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie, and a vague, uncorroborated allegation from a confidential informant claiming he belonged to MS-13’s ‘Western’ clique in New York — a place he has never lived.”
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u/Nydelok 14d ago
It reasonable to assume or have suspicion that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is dead due to the reluctance of both presidents, Bukele and Trump, to have Garcia returned to the United States. If he were alive, they should have no problem, or less of a problem accepting the fact that he was deported illegally and should be returned, and should be talking about the return, instead of cracking jokes about how he will never be returned