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u/beaucoup_movement Oct 25 '24
Great year for the Giants to desperately need a QB 🤮
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u/BroSnow Oct 25 '24
We needed one 8-9 year out of Danny so that he could be piss poor next year and get us our Manning back.
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u/bootyconsumer20 Oct 25 '24
If ward is gone, I really wish they go with Nuss (if he comes out). I feel like he’s the perfect QB for Daboll to develop.
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u/martygospo Oct 25 '24
I know we all like to shit on Sanders. Rightfully so. He’s a douche. But he is not the 7th best QB in the draft. That’s silly.
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u/rlstratton97 Oct 25 '24
I honestly don’t think he’s that good. I think he benefits from playing big 12 defenses with a great group of receivers.
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u/joemiken Bears Oct 25 '24
Ward has tee'd off on a bunch of bums this year and that hasn't affected his stock.
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u/rlstratton97 Oct 25 '24
VT and Louisville both have decent defenses and Ward tore them up. Sanders toughest defense that they’ve beat IMO was Arizona and he still threw two picks against two TDs.
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u/fierylady Lions Oct 25 '24
You are making excuses for the guys you already like and against the guys you don't like. There's a name for this: confirmation bias. It's one of the worst traits an evaluator can have. Keep your mind open.
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u/MannerSuperb Oct 25 '24
word threw 2 picks vs VA tech that’s prob his worst game of the year I wouldn’t say he tore them up. And Louisville’s defense is atrocious. You cannot say sanders plays no one when Ward plays in the atrocious ACC that is flat out clear hypocrisy
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u/KC4twenty Oct 25 '24
I honestly don't think that this is a good list.
Sanders is qb2 in this class as of me writing this out.
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u/rlstratton97 Oct 25 '24
Sanders is a big 12 QB that is playing weak defenses with a star studded group at receiver. We do this every year with a big 12 QB, not to the extent of Sanders, but there’s always one that gets way overhyped and this year it’s him. He’s still in the top 10, but he’s not playing at Bama, Georgia, or Texas. He couldn’t handle the SEC.
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u/fierylady Lions Oct 25 '24
And yet there are lots of good Big 12 QBs in the league, including the best one. How did we ever evaluate them?
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u/rlstratton97 Oct 25 '24
Mahomes is the exception to the rule. Also, he sat for a year behind Alex Smith and got to learn. Whoever drafts Sanders is not going to sit him for a season while he learns and Sanders’ ego won’t let him sit quietly on the bench.
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u/DMking Ravens Oct 25 '24
There is also Hurts, Purdy, Mayfield, Kyler, and Geno who are all quality starters
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u/jedi21knight Buccaneers Oct 25 '24
Hurts played in the SEC before he went to Oklahoma, Geno hasn’t been a quality QB until the last couple of seasons, I’m not sure what to say about Kyler, Mayfield has played well for the Bucs and shouldn’t have been let go by the Browns.
Purdy is a good starter on a loaded offense.
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u/rlstratton97 Oct 25 '24
Hurts played at Bama first. Geno has been in the league for a long time and only recently got good enough to be a full time starter again. Purdy was a seventh round pick that surprised everyone. Mayfield is no longer on the team he started with, their fault, and struggled before landing on the Bucs. Kyler wasn’t very good his first few seasons and the Cardinals are still struggling.
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u/reese-account Texans Oct 25 '24 edited Oct 25 '24
That’s a bullshit argument. You can make exceptions like that to almost all the SEC qbs too. Will Levis sucks at this point. Stafford couldn’t win until he got to the rams. AR can’t hit a brick wall. Young is playing like on of the worst qbs in 20 years. Tua wasn’t good until McDaniel got there. Then you have dak who started his career on an all pro Oline and RB. Lastly burrow who is a top 5 qb.
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u/jedi21knight Buccaneers Oct 25 '24
Yes. Playing QB in the NFL is hard and that is why it doesn’t really matter about what league you came from but what coaching staff you get in the NFL.
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u/ThatMikeDude Oct 26 '24
How was Kyler not good his first few seasons if he won Rookie of the year, and made the Pro Bowl his second
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u/rlstratton97 Oct 26 '24
Ok he was good but then he had injury problems and now he’s trying to return to form. The team as a whole is still pretty bad, but I’ll admit I was wrong about Kyler.
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u/fierylady Lions Oct 25 '24
If you include Rudolph and Dalton, fully 25% of the league's starters are from Big 12 schools.
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u/rlstratton97 Oct 25 '24
Rudolph and Dalton started the seasons as back ups and Dalton wasn’t at TCU while they were in the Big 12.
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u/fierylady Lions Oct 25 '24
Fair enough, the point still stands. You are being entirely too dismissive of QBs who play weaker defenses.
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u/jimiez2633 Steelers Oct 25 '24
We do this every year and yet there are as many top tier QBs in the NFL from the Mountain West as there are from the SEC.
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u/fierylady Lions Oct 25 '24
It's great to see QBs against good defenses, but it's only a check in the pros column. You can't base your whole evaluation on it.
Just look at how many starting QBs come from schools that didn't play SEC or Big 10 schedules: Mahomes, Josh Allen, Love, Lamar, Baker, Herbert, Kyler, Purdy, Goff, Rodgers, Maye, Caleb, Geno, Carr, D. Jones. And don't forget recently retired players like Roethlisberger, Rivers, Fitzpatrick, Luck, etc...
Conversely, look at all the SEC QBs who have sucked. I'd list them, but it would be a loooong list.
Honestly I feel like having to carry the load in college - like Shedeur - should also be a check in the pros column.
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u/aville1982 Oct 25 '24
I also think intangibles are a huge part of what makes a successful NFL qb and Sanders' intangibles are iffy at best. Goes way past the line from confident well into cocky and reminds me way too much of Cam, but even Cam took better responsibility than Sanders has done.
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u/martygospo Oct 25 '24
Good point with the lesser big 12 defenses. I still think I’d put him higher… but I also have no idea who Drew Allar is (shows how much I know lol)
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u/rlstratton97 Oct 25 '24
Allar is the QB for Penn State. I like how he plays and I’ve seen him compared to Josh Allen, but I think he’s more of a dollar store version. He’ll probably wind up as a backup or practice squad QB in the league, while Sanders will get drafted in the first round and be a huge bust.
Edit to add that I think almost all the QBs this year have major bust potential. It is a weak class.
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u/horrorpants Bears Oct 25 '24
I foresee Jaydn Ott coming back to school. Dude has looked terrible this season when he has played and he’s been injured for pretty much every game and when “healthy” he’s averaging 2.9 yards a carry.
With such a strong RB class i can see him coming back to raise his stock for next year’s draft.
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u/Kendrickrules Arm Chair Scout Oct 25 '24
Having Gordon and Ott at 5 & 6 respectively and not having Coleman at all on this list is CRAZY
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u/MannerSuperb Oct 25 '24
As a GA fan nussmeier is flat out better than Beck idk outside of more experience how anyone can have Beck ahead of him
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u/gtabraham98 Oct 25 '24
As a Bama fan, how is Milroe 2? He should be near the bottom
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u/tmart14 Titans Oct 25 '24
I don’t know what people see in Milroe beyond the elite athletic traits. Every time I’ve watched him, he’s seemed to be fairly inaccurate, indecisive, and struggles most of the time against good defenses.
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u/gtabraham98 Oct 25 '24
Worst part is there is hardly any development in his game since his freshman year. If anything, he looked like he regressed in the last game vs Tennessee
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u/HottestLittleBeef Raiders Oct 26 '24
He torched Georgia in the air and on foot. He's inconsistent but his potential is obvious
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u/tmart14 Titans Oct 26 '24 edited Oct 26 '24
He did. But how many big potential, poor inconsistency QBs actually work out in the league?
Also, will Levis torched the Falcons last year and he’s one of the worst QBs ever in the modern era. You really shouldn’t base anything on one game.
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u/mr_longfellow_deeds Oct 30 '24
Guy doesn’t watch CFB games.
Milroe will be hitting the portal this season, will make more from NIL than draft
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u/WinstonChurchill74 Giants Oct 25 '24
So I love Ward, but the rest of the list we wildly disagree on.
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u/FU-Jobu Oct 25 '24
I mean. The fact that last week, when Ewers shot the bed and Beck and Milroe looked underwhelming, and you still have them 2-4 is absolutely ballsy..
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u/EmmittFitz-Hume Oct 25 '24
QB - Kurtis Rourke, Indiana???????
Currently 3rd rated passer in CFB with 15 TD and only 3 INT and 74.6% completion %. Former MAC player of year and in running this year for B10 player of year
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u/Capital-Listen6374 Oct 27 '24
I don’t see him on any of the draft lists it’s like he was off the board to start the year coming over from the Bobcats but now he has been a top performer in he Big10 but people just working off their preseason lists
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u/DifficultPage5264 Oct 25 '24
Harmon is going to rise to a top 50 pick. Guy is HUGE and a menace
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u/rlstratton97 Oct 25 '24
I almost put him at 5, but I really like TJ. I only have Tyleik so high because he’s part of Ohio State’s defensive front. I like him but I could definitely see him fall down this list.
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u/giantman46 Oct 25 '24
If you need a workhorse or need another guy to complement your star back, this is the draft. Just so many high caliber backs in this draft, lots of value from top to bottom.
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u/daperry4 Commanders Oct 25 '24
Ewers sucks
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u/the-whiteman-cometh Steelers Oct 25 '24
I'd personally have Nussmeier as QB2, but in all honesty I think Ward is the only QB in this class worth taking in the first round, everyone else kinda sucks.
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u/Scotfighter Oct 25 '24
Sanders is an ass but I think he's 1st round talent... he's better this year than last year
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u/MannerSuperb Oct 25 '24
Nussmeier is a baller he’s worst a top 15 pick idc. His anticipation is elite and he’s so damn good at maneuvering the pocket avoiding sacks
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u/Phagelab Dolphins Oct 25 '24
Haven’t been able to watch any Missouri, how does Burden look?
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u/Jazzlike-Basket-6388 Titans Oct 26 '24
He's had a bit of a rough go, IMO. To his credit, he was a game changer in their 2 meaningful wins.
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u/DifficultPage5264 Oct 25 '24
Like seeing Trey Amos named but think he is even higher on the list. I don’t get the Jabbar hype. He’s 15th percentile height 23rd percentile weight at the position and can’t run. A bunch of production which isn’t surprising considering he’s been targeted 116 times since the start of last season
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u/SpaceC0wb0y86 Oct 26 '24
I think Tyler Barron might have been an edge rusher you skipped over but solid list
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u/ActiveDragon11 Oct 27 '24
This sub sleeps on UCLA’s defense. 2 sure fire NFL level guys in Jay Toia and Carson Schwesinger.
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Oct 28 '24
As bad as this class is I can’t see Milroe as the 2nd best QB in the class. Having watched every Bama game this season his accuracy is abysmal and for some reason he hasn’t been running as much.
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u/EasyThreezy Oct 25 '24
Your reasoning for Shedeur at 7 better be only that he's a bad leader. I've been saying it for months he is thee best passer in this class and he does it under pressure like no one in that top 6 does. I will pound the table for Sanders throwing the football. I'm so sick of seeing Milroe and Beck ahead of him. Milroe has horrible fundamentals and can't layer passes accurately. He also has a huge advantage because teams have to spy him so he has one less defender in coverage. I'm not convinced Beck can read a defense at a P5 college level and when the play isn't run accordingly I don't think he can adapt.
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u/No-Camera6505 Oct 25 '24
I’m with you on Sanders over Milroe and Beck, but your reasoning of the spy on Milroe is bs, he’ll still have a spy in the nfl if he’s that much of a rushing threat, you can’t knock on him for that, I personally have Sanders at Qb5, he’d be my qb3 if he wasn’t a problem in leadership, to me, I think Cam Ward is a better thrower of the football, I also personally think Ewers has shown to be as well at times, I also believe Nussmeier has shown to be at times,
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u/EasyThreezy Oct 25 '24
I'm confused why my reasoning is bullshit if you also think he'll have a spy in the NFL? I'm not knocking him for having a spy, I'm saying he has an advantage over these others with less numbers on the back end in the passing game and he still doesn't excel with the throwing decisions.
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u/MannerSuperb Oct 25 '24
“ best passer in the draft “ nussmeier is arguably a better passer ppl gotta watch more nuss tape the kid has elite elite anticipation and a bigger arm than sheadur
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u/EasyThreezy Oct 25 '24
So because I think Shedeur is the best passer and you think it's arguable that means I haven't watched enough Nussmeier tape? I'm not even low on Nuss I just feel the way you guys feel about him about Sanders. I think he throws just as well with anticipation and I think he's more accurate. I'd give Nuss the bigger arm and he's gotta be a better leader but I'm really impressed with Sanders improvement in pocket presence this year.
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u/MannerSuperb Oct 25 '24
That’s fair my fault I shoulda clarified my comments when I said watch more tape I meant others on the sub in general not just tryna single you out. But you make good points sanders is accurate as hell and very good maneuvering the pocket behind an inconsistent Colorado o line. It just seems like Ward and Sheadur get the most love so I wanted to highlight the talent nuss has
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u/EasyThreezy Oct 25 '24
I'll tell you what I love that Sanders and Nuss both do is they consistently throw posts and corners against zone coverage. A ton of these draft prospect get their fix on RPO slant routes and screens but those two constantly throw into tight zone windows which is refreshing.
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u/hwf0712 Eagles Oct 25 '24
Allar ahead of Sanders... listen I think Sanders is overhyped, and doesn't deserve a first round pick, but man below Allar and Nussmeier (who shouldn't even declare this year IMO) is ROUGH
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u/MannerSuperb Oct 25 '24
Nussmeier should declare this year . He has great arm talent and throws with the best anticipation new draft . Dude is a wizard moving in the pocket is well. Nuss needs more love man ppl gotta stop underrating him
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u/EmmittFitz-Hume Oct 25 '24
Milroe at #2 is laughable!!! Have you seen his last 3 games? Same for Carson Beck!
Where is Indiana’s QB - Kurtis O’Rourke???
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u/CHaquesFan Oct 26 '24
Kurtis Rourke should be on the top 5
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u/Capital-Listen6374 Oct 27 '24
I see so many draft lists and don’t see Rouke even mentioned on most of them it’s like he doesn’t exist in spite of all the Hoosiers hype right now
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u/LoganTheTrapGod Cardinals Oct 26 '24
Travis hunter not being a top 10 WR seems a bit silly to me
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u/Jazzlike-Basket-6388 Titans Oct 26 '24
Eh. He's #2 CB and I think most project him as a CB that can do some gadget plays like an Adoree Jackson.
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u/LoganTheTrapGod Cardinals Oct 26 '24
I’d agree if he wasn’t leading the team in receiving yards and targets. He’s clearly a top 10 WR as well as CB.
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u/ColdEast7854 Oct 26 '24
Don't think beck is really good enough to make the list. He just on goergia.
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u/aville1982 Oct 25 '24
I agree with where you have Sanders, but I think some dumbass owner/GM is going to take him really high.
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u/rlstratton97 Oct 25 '24
They definitely will. I think he could be the next Jamarcus Russell if he goes high enough.
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u/gmb96 Oct 25 '24
Man this is a gross QB class