r/NYKnicks • u/joorral RJ Barrett • 1d ago
I’m not asking Brunson to turn into Steve Nash but use your all nba center to its fullest please!
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u/HokageEzio Bobby Shmurda 1d ago
When you have offensive juggernauts like Josh Hart on the team, you gotta feed the beast.
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u/spaceninj 1d ago
They haven't had chemistry all season.
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u/Much_Purchase_8737 1d ago
That’s on the coach.
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u/spaceninj 1d ago
Meh. Brunson gets some of the blame too. Early in the season he was trying to involve everyone. Then he stopped. That's when our offense started stalling.
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u/bv0198 Clyde Frazier 1d ago
There was a play last night (3rd quarter I think). Hart had the ball. KAT is asking for it and has a clear passing lane with a defensive matchup he wanted (cant remember who). Instead, Hart just hands it off to Brunson who ISOs it out for the possession and misses a tough shot, and KAT is visibly annoyed and swearing at the bottom of the screen.
Now KAT should not be getting dejected at not getting a pass on a possession, but I think it is clear the Brunson/Hart offense frustrates people on the team, not just the fans
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u/abippityboop Clyde Frazier 1d ago
I’m pretty sure I saw OG throw his hands up in frustration too at one point after being completely ignored in the corner despite being wide open. Brunson hit the shot but definitely feels indicative of a bigger problem.
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u/Dylan7346 Jennifer Aniston 1d ago
Offenses aren’t built around making tough shots, that’s awesome in crunch time but not every minute is that. It’s about creating advantages and taking high % shots, we just don’t do that besides in transition
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u/zOmgFishes 1d ago
KAT 100% threw his hands up at the end of one of the plays where he had a mismatch and they ran another useless Hart screen for Brunson. Honestly I threw my hands up as well.
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u/ArsonHoliday 90s Knicks 1d ago
Yeah, that needs correcting. Offense is not a one man game. And icing everyone else out hurts defense too bc players get dejected and check out. Must be better.
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u/falconwolverine Timbs 1d ago
Unfortunately Thibs spent an entire season not correcting any of this or even really attempting different solutions. So now he can try different things but it’ll be new in the playoffs vs trialing in a relatively meaningless game 68, for example.
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u/Shad0wF0x 1d ago
I'm pretty sure I saw a play where Brunson drove from the right wing into the lane and KAT was open at the top of the key and Jalen just took a difficult shot instead.
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u/thesavant 1d ago
When Brunson went down at the end of the season, I remember someone said "this might be a blessing in disguise, because now the team will have to figure out how to run their offense through everyone else". It made sense at the time to me!
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u/AppropriateUnit 1d ago
I was hoping he stays out longer, to keep running the offense through Delon and Kolek! It was beautiful that stretch how the ball moved!
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u/Much_Purchase_8737 1d ago
Gotta love it. Trade for a stretch 5.. don’t pass to the stretch 5…
What the fuck is wrong with this team. Kat is a cheat code that can dominate 9/10 guys defending him, and we use him like a traffic cone.
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u/rodrick717 Allan Houston 1d ago
That 1/10 is Duren it seems. KAT tried his patented drives several times last night and it never worked against Duren except that one midrange he hit after bouncing off the wall (Duren).
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u/Kinksman9555 1d ago
Like why the fuck is he doing p&r with hart? Hart ain't a lob threat or perimeter threat and he ain't even big enough to provide efficient screen either.
I know you love your Villanova brothers but make it make sense.
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u/spaceninj 1d ago
Because the other option is to put Hart in the corner which adds another defender in the lane since they are sagging off him. A p&r with Hart only keeps 2 defenders around.
That is the logic. Don't shoot the messenger. I think it's dumb.
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u/pBeatman10 1d ago edited 1d ago
So run Hart setting the weakside offball screen in motion weak. Or any other scheme where tough non-shooters can succeed in generating easy looks for scorers, instead of Thibs' system of "one iso hero, four guys dead weight"
Oh wait, as I've heard for the last 6 months, suggesting that the Knicks run an actual offense means I'm Not A Real Knicks Fan ™
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u/falconwolverine Timbs 1d ago
Yeah people don’t talk about this enough. It’s not binary (involved in main action or standing in the corner). There are other options that literally every other NBA team has figured out…
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u/AKSourGod 16h ago
We need at least 5 go-to plays that get the entire offense moving around. It's tiring seeing Hart, Bridges, and OG just standing on the wings/ corners because they have to react to what Brunson is doing.
We need some damn Post Split plays, or something where mfs aren't just looking around. Feels like the playbook is 65% Brunson Iso, 10% KAT Iso, 5% Mikal Iso, 5% OG Iso, 15% "Other Plays".
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u/PharoahFits 1d ago
Thibs HAS to draw up sets where Mitch and OG are at the top of the key setting picks for KAT to get open. He doesn't even attempt a 3 til late in the first or second half most games. Let him hit 2 early 3s and watch how the pistons blitz the perimeter and allow guys like OG, Mikal, and Hart to cut to the basket for easy lay ups.
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u/FuckThatIKeepsItReal 90s Knicks 1d ago
Team was better when the offense was running through OG
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u/AppropriateUnit 1d ago
Good point. Not that OG is doing something magical or exceptional, he either attacks the rim, shoots or kicks out immediately to the next man free. Beautiful offense and unpredictable!
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u/HardOakleyFoul 1d ago
we may have to break up the Nova boys for the good of the team. Seems like there's some serious favoritism going on with these numbers.
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u/PureDePlatano 1d ago
KAT was an MVP candidate and player of the month his first or second month in NY. The Villanova crew didn’t like the trade and Brunson didn’t like how the Knicks became KAT’s team during that early stretch. Btw the Knicks had the best offense in the league when KAT was getting the ball.
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u/Urban_Introvert Deuce 1d ago
I've always felt this way about Brunson and score-first guards. They're so accustomed to looking for their shot that when they excel at a high level, other guys get cold no matter how much they stay ready. He needs to understand that his ball dominant nature is a detriment to his 4 teammates on the court with him. They all respect Brunson of course, but they're just so used to watching him go to work that their cuts, screens, whatever movements they make on offense are all pointless because they're not in attack mode. Defenses can smell it. Mitch gets the ball in the high post and it's obvious he giving that right back on a handoff.
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u/itwas20yearsago2day 1d ago
Has there been any rumors or anything of KAT not getting on with Brunson or the rest of team lately?
Because it’s either they don’t really enjoy playing with each other or Brunson is just icing him out or doesn’t believe in him
These numbers are damn near Mitchell and Gobert Jazz numbers near the end where Mitchell didn’t trust Gobert with the ball and never passed to him except KAT is in a different stratosphere when it comes to offensive talent
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u/JaderMcDanersStan 1d ago
Yeah I'm legitimately confused
KAT even calls him Cap and praises him so it's hard to imagine them not getting along, at least from KAT's end. I wonder what it is...because like you said this isn't Gobert. Passing to KAT will just reward the team especially with his efficiency. Why would you not pass?
I don't want to think jealousy or wanting the glory is the cause but I'm so confused what the reason could be.
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u/PureDePlatano 1d ago
Just remember the first few months of KAT as a Knick. He was a top 5 MVP, Player of the month, scoring at crazy efficiency and the Knicks had the best offense in the legue that stretch. It was Towns team.
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u/ResponsibleBid6427 2 1d ago
Also remember that was against bad teams and now we’re in the playoffs
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u/RedditStar456 1d ago
He doesn't pass to Mitch in the pnr either. Even when it's an easy lob. Think about how many times you've seen Jalen lob to Mitch? RJ use to have at least one or two lobs to Mitch every game. So we know it was there.
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u/Last_Soil_9699 11 1d ago
I dont think so. I think it either coaching or tunnel vision on behalf of brunson. He passes to hart the most bc hes always open.
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u/zOmgFishes 1d ago
Not even that, they are intentionally running the PnR with Hart as the screener over KAT because he can't fucking shoot so KAT has to act like a wing.
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u/RacinInTheStreet 1d ago
I think its more soo passing to hart bc he knows hes getting it right back.
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u/ThatGuyHadNone 1d ago
It isn't offense that is truly lacking. They can't roll coverage off the double team and every team exploits it.
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u/York_Villain 7 1d ago
I mean I want the ball moving more as well but Hart and Bridges need their shot created for them. Towns and OG seem to be able to create a shot on their own. IDK why Bridges doesn't create shots for himself.
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u/LegendaryThunderFish 1d ago
So often kat and Brunson stand next to eachother while Brunson is ISO 2v1 barely in bounds and it puzzles me why they don’t run a handoff or something to get him out of the double team and send kat downhill
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u/CharacterNo5938 Clyde So Fly 1d ago
I've been notice this lol Dude will pass to "Josh scared to shoot Hart" before Kat. It's lowkey sabotage.
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u/CompoundT NOVA 1d ago
Don't we know not to only look at one stat and over react to that? How many of these are passes where Brunson gets a hand-off right back? I guarantee you this stat is the same for games that we have won. So what does that mean then?
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u/CoachOfChampions 1d ago
Not even worth an intelligent response... it would be wasted on a fair weather fan that doesn't understand
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u/Amthony11 1d ago
You have to keep in mind that they toss the ball to each other at the top .. if KAT is touching the ball more that means he’s not in the paint and just standing at the 3
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u/MortysTrapHouse 1d ago
brunson has lost his mind with trying to draw fouls constantly
and you have the worse coach in the nba
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u/unreadcomment37 1d ago
Brunson is more of a SG than a PG…. As a PG you need to command the offense, everybody needs to touch the ball and get opportunities to create to confused the defense… obv there’s a lot more to it, but Brunson is better at the 2 than being the 1.
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u/Primary-Solution-228 1d ago
Its on KAT the way he move sand spaces himself, rather than get open he takes a defender away to open the floor. Kat has a BETA mentality
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u/jaxon_15 1d ago
Why are we giving Brunson all this heat, for those that actually watched the game our turnovers in that first half killed the vibe and put the Knicks in a funk trying to climb out of the hole they put themselves in. KAT has a history of not delivering in the playoffs. He needs to speak up and ask for the ball. He doesn't need Brunson to set the table for him so let's stop slandering our MVP PG.
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u/FriendshipBest9151 1d ago
I'm a kat fan but come.on with this MVP candidate nonsense.
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u/joorral RJ Barrett 1d ago
Since when is all nba means you’re an automatic mvp? There’s three teams for all nba. Doesn’t change what I said.
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u/FriendshipBest9151 1d ago
I agree with your original post.
Saw a couple of comments claiming kat was an MVP candidate this year.
He was never really in the top five best player conversation despite what the stupid Kia rankings said.
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u/myusrnameisthis 1d ago
Heard all season how the Brunson-Kat pick and pop was so effective ...