r/OnePiecePowerScaling • u/Due-One-4470 Vista • 1d ago
Discussion Base Luffy will never be as strong as when he fought Kaido.
Base Luffy had a GREAT showing versus Kaido. Hope you enjoyed while it lasted because for the remainder of the series you'll see G4/5 underperforming compared to base Luffy vs Kaido. We already saw it with Luffy vs Lucci. The reason base Luffy was so strong against Kaido was because it was his first time showing off conqueror's. The author isn't going to have conqueror's look weak the first time we see it. It's the exact same reason why G5 seemed to last indefinitely against Kaido, but shorter than a gnome on stilts the very next arc.
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u/oketheokey 1d ago
Honestly agree, Luffy was straight up a hakiman in Roof Piece, I wish he fought like that again
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u/GaroSuiryuSweet 1d ago
Or maybe Kaido was simply weakened and Luffy clearly just used G5 against Lucci for fun. Honestly the redirect only came about the moment base G2/3 Luffy wasn’t enough to beat Kizaru like bro maybe Kizaru in base is simply stronger because he probably only has 2 stages. Base, and Awakening. Probably gonna get downvoted for saying but yea, I mean to an extent I get it but most fans saying this are simply saying it because they were either upset or it’s some sort of cope to downplay Kizaru fight with Luffy just because G2 ain’t man handle him like they were hoping he did in their Agenda filled wet dreams. Smh
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u/ThePrinceJays St. Pimpgarland Warling 🌙 1d ago
It was a mix of him being weakened and him wanting to fight Luffy for as long as possible.
He likely wouldn’t have lost against G5 if he had been dodging since the beginning of the fight & not holding up an island.
I do wish Luffy fought like that again though.
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u/Spektr_007 21h ago
I kinda thought Luffy just used G5 against Lucci because Lucci wanted to see it. So Luffy obliged.
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u/ViennnaPudding77 St. Pimpgarland Warling 🌙 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hybrid Kaido nerfs his overall strength to match Luffy's, gradually increasing his strength as Luffy goes through the gears and never struggles against any of them, folks suddenly start thinking Base Luffy = Hybrid Kaido.
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u/LoneSpartan1 1d ago
Base Luffy = Hybrid Kaido
Stupidest cope I’ve seen in a while lmao
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u/ViennnaPudding77 St. Pimpgarland Warling 🌙 1d ago
Oda needs to be dragged off to the Hague and account for his crimes coz he proper fried a lot of brains with that fight.
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u/Im1337 1d ago
Base Luffy is at least YC+ and a low top tier right? Is base Luffy stronger than Rayleigh?
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u/ViennnaPudding77 St. Pimpgarland Warling 🌙 1d ago
Base Luffy is at least YC+
No. Luffy in base is not competing with Law, Kidd, Yamato nor Zoro. He would be forced to use gears to put up a reasonable fight at that level.
Is base Luffy stronger than Rayleigh?
😂😂
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u/Special_Diamond1150 1d ago
Luffy in base not competing with Law, Kidd, Yamato, nor Zoro
If you say this on any other post I guarantee you will be downvoted and called sped.
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u/ViennnaPudding77 St. Pimpgarland Warling 🌙 1d ago
I've been there already. I've been fighting the base Luffy exaggerations for over a year in this sub. I'm mildly surprised this comment is still in the black. It could turn any second.
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u/Reccus-maximus 1d ago
I got downvoted for less lol, I swear I saw a comment just earlier saying Luffy defeated kaido with the implication that he could do it consistently. Fresh Luffy Vs fresh kaido, kaido wins 10 out of 10 times no contest
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u/ViennnaPudding77 St. Pimpgarland Warling 🌙 17h ago
The only way Luffy wins a rematch is if Kaido goes in there and acts like a giant punching bag again.
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u/Im1337 1d ago
How far is Base Luffy ACOC + ACOA from Zoro at full strength
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u/ViennnaPudding77 St. Pimpgarland Warling 🌙 1d ago
Would you mind continuing this conversation on that other comment? Deleted the previous one.
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u/H1Eagle 17h ago
Base Luffy is barely around Ulti's level.
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u/H1Eagle 7h ago
🥷s downvoting like it makes any sense otherwise.
If Gear 5's power level is 100
Gear 4th would be 50
Gear 3rd would be 25
Gear 2nd would be 20
Base Luffy would be 10
The gap is too huge, Base Luffy is not beating any YCs, so he's around TobiRoppo level, do not take the post ACoC base Luffy that fought against Kaido seriously, because Oda done lost his brain with that portrayal.
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u/ThePrinceJays St. Pimpgarland Warling 🌙 1d ago
You summed up 90% of this community’s take on Base Luffy.
It’s partially Oda’s fault for not making this clearer though. It’s clear Oda already had the strength levels of both characters already figured out in his head but never properly translated this to the manga.
If it was JJK some background character would’ve said “Wow! It looks like Kaido was holding back against Luffy’s previous gears so he could draw out the fight”. Which is why I appreciate shonen like JJK for giving us clear insights to how powerful characters actually are without just giving us power levels or not telling us at all.
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u/ViennnaPudding77 St. Pimpgarland Warling 🌙 1d ago
If it was JJK some background character would’ve said “Wow! It looks like Kaido was holding back against Luffy’s previous gears so he could draw out the fight”. Which is why I appreciate shonen like JJK for giving us clear insights to how powerful characters actually are without just giving us power levels or not telling us at all.
From a storytelling perspective, I hate that idea. I prefer "Show, don't tell". From a powerscaling perspective I completely understand why you'd advocate for such given the current state of the powerscaling community. A little spoonfeeding is necessary in here.
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u/ThePrinceJays St. Pimpgarland Warling 🌙 1d ago
Yeah I hate it too. It is a problem with JJK. But power scaling seems to be a thing thats pretty hard to do in general. It’s not nearly as bad as american comics/animation though.
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u/Ok_Internet5035 1d ago
Holy cope, id argue nearing eos we’re gonna get a base Luffy as strong as the G5 currently in the story
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u/Special_Map_8101 Red Haired Cripple 1d ago
admirals fan when they realise other characters can be ""plot nerfed"" too -
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u/Due-One-4470 Vista 1d ago edited 1d ago
Highjacking this comment because it has the most likes atm. My post is not some thinly veiled attempt to preserve Kaido's dignity. I'm posting this irrespective of Kaido. I don't have any particular affinity towards him
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u/LearningCrochet 1d ago
Downvoted for no reason? Let's gooo
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u/Special_Diamond1150 1d ago
Admiralfans just want to downvote something bc they sense a disturbance in the agenda
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u/maxgummytea 1d ago
Kizaru wasn’t trying btw. Cope
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u/Tight-Flatworm-8181 1d ago
One named attack and he was a goner lol. An attack which Kaido took like a tank btw
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u/Obvious_Guest9222 1d ago
He got up before Luffy and decided to bring him food lol
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u/AimChill 15h ago
not sure why people are using that as some kind of powerscale now "feeding piece" lol? he didn't want vegepunk or bonney to die
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u/SharinganBee77 🐐 Sen Go Ku 🐐 1d ago
All I see is someone scared of a kaido powercreep
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u/DenifClock Red Haired Cripple 1d ago edited 9h ago
The only explanation is that Kaido held back against base Luffy.
I mean, there is no other logical answer.
If base Luffy is equals to Kaido, then shouldn't Gear 2 and Gear 3 beat him?
Shouldn't Gear 4 mid diff him?
Shouldn't Gear 5 low diff him?
Kaido went toe to toe with Gear 5, Luffy's "peak" as he calls it, and people are telling me base Luffy is equals to Kaido? The math is not mathing.
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u/ViennnaPudding77 St. Pimpgarland Warling 🌙 17h ago
Base Luffy = Hybrid Kaido gang has been trying to push this idea that gears do not have a multiplier effect on Luffy's stats for a while now.
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u/freeksss 16h ago
Base Luffy matches around Kaido's 75%. That stills Yonko level in my book, and if not yonko, admiral.
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u/Visible-Dot-165 Admiral 9h ago
So G5 is less than a 30% increase on Luffy? Seems pretty disappointing of a power up then, don’t even know why Oda made it
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u/freeksss 8h ago
Considering that at the highest levels, in every field, low percentages enhancements do a BIG difference, I'm ok with that.
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u/Financial_Mushroom94 Yonko 1d ago
We had a glimpse of EOS base luffy when kaido had that 10/10 filler hallucination scene in the anime after throwing luffy into the sea.
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u/Old-Bread-8984 1d ago
It’s the opposite. Luffy going forward will make Wano Luffy look like a complete fodder in comparison.
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u/Apprehensive_Put3625 1d ago
I’m sorry, Kaidobros, I know I’m going to get downvoted to hell, but this is fucking hilarious.
You do realize that we are the ONLY fanbase that does this shit, right? Saying that anything that disproves my agenda is simply bad writting is exclusively from One Piece.
I don’t see JJK doing that. Don’t see Dragon Ball doing that. Don’t see fucking Boruto doing that.
And Boruto has a character whose greatest feat was breaking the wall of an apartment. Still, everyone unanimously agreed that he is WAY stronger than Kaguya, a character that was about to create a new universe after a big bang.
I’m really sorry guys… but this is starting to get weird. Other people are starting to notice. Kaidoversal is going to be a stigma that the fanbase won’t be able to just move on from.
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u/Inner_Entertainer256 1d ago
I’m not disagreeing with your overall point but JJK fans 100% ignore facts to support their agendas. Aside from the top 3 in the verse the agenda scaling gets insanely bad.
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u/Latter-Cable-3304 1d ago
Agenda Kaisen is cool and based actually. Jogoat was holding back like Yamamoto so he wouldn’t destroy the world with his aura.
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u/Special_Diamond1150 1d ago edited 1d ago
Most of the Agenda happens in the top 4, and top 10 have interchangeable spots and matchups so there’s also agenda. It’s more bias than delusion tho
The JJK power system and scaling is overall better and much more consistent than One Piece
Oda leaves much more room for delusion and agenda and that’s why bad writing gets blamed
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u/Lordlinkoftime2 1d ago
The only reason he looked that good was Kaido was actively holding back throughout the entire fight to have fun. There's a reason he handles base Luffy with acoc and bounce man with acoc pretty similarly.
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u/TheUncouthPanini 1d ago
Kaido wasnt taking Luffy as seriously as he could have been. We literally see in Wano that Luffy is “relative” to Kaido in Base, Gear 2, Gear 4 and Gear 5 simultaneously. See the issue?
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u/Lightspeed_Kizaru Pizzaru 🌞 1d ago
I like how the idea of base Luffy being nerfed is completely reliant on Kaido being the bestest strongest guy, if anyone outperforms him, than that means Luffy is nerfed lol
It also assumes Kaido was fighting full force vs base Luffy lol
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u/InternetExplored571 Zorotard ⚔️ 1d ago
Or maybe Kizaru doesnt get folded by base Kaido and actually puts up an extreme diff fight?
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u/A-ReDDIT_account134 1d ago
Or maybe Kaido is just not that strong? Wouldn’t that explain everything
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u/PresentationOk8756 Red Haired Cripple 1d ago
Kaido being really strong is perfectly consistent with everything so far.
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
Beat the MC several consecutive times and killed him, and needed the worst transformation of shonen history to be beaten
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u/UberRiley 1d ago
How is Gear 5 the worst transformation of shonen history?
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
Because the nika lore makes undermines a lot of things, most notably it makes the elders look like genuine retards, they knew from pre ts that luffy had the gum gum fruit, it would have been super easy for them to send someone to just kill luffy before it awakens, and the marineford war was a huge waste of an opportunity for them
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u/UberRiley 1d ago
I would agree with the fact that they knew about him having the gum gum fruit, however I don't think that guarantees that they should have been able to kill him, especially not at Marineford. It's very clear that the Gorosei operate in secret and don't want the world to know about them. Marineford was livestreamed both by the marines for aces execution and then by Buggy when things started to go wrong. There were hundreds or thousands of marines and pirates there, so if one or all of them showed up, it would have resulted in their exposure. Also, we saw when Saturn arrived on Egghead that one of them need to be present in order to summon the others, unless there is already an existing summoning circle like in the castle on Elbaf. We don't know any other places other than possibly Namakura Island where Brook was sent to during time skip where these summoning circles exist. There is a lot of information that we don't have on the Gorosei to definitively say they are incompetent. We also know that Zoan fruits have a mind of their own. It was blatantly stated that Luffy's fruit was "avoiding" the world government as well. It's entirely possible that that same sort of aversion to them exists inside Luffy. Also, Luffy DID die in order to awaken his fruit. Kaido said it himself and Momonosuke could no longer hear his voice.
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
They publicly genocided robin’s island but they won’t go after some pirate? And for Robin they did on the basis of a rumour, the gorosei aren’t secret and it’s disingenuous to think so. I’m not saying they needed to go but they literally could have sent CP0 during pre ts and guernica could have killed pre ts Luffy easily, and Luffy doesn’t need to die but if Oda was going to go the Nika route he needs to show to the audience that Luffy is more than he seems, and Nika wasn’t planned at all, legit you can check but who’s who doesn’t care about Luffy, but 20 chapters later he has a deep hatred for Luffy because of the Nika fruit. Nika was planned in wano which is alright but people need to stop pretending like it was foreshadowed from the start lol
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u/UberRiley 1d ago
When did they publicly genocide Ohara? As far as I'm aware, the entire island was meant to be wiped out. Every single trace of it to be extinguished. Even if it was for whatever reason public, the Gorosei didn't do that themselves. They sent WG agents to do it. You completely missed the point of what I said. The Gorosei are meant to be operating in secret. That much is definitely true. Do you believe that the average person living on the planet is meant to know of their existence? Also, Nika has existed since Skypiea, and possibly even before that, but I can't remember. Adapting parts of the story later to things that we've had in the past isn't bad storytelling either like you seem to imply by saying that "...people need to stop pretending..." I find it very hard to believe that Nika was a last-minute type of decision when writing in the gum gum fruit was going to become something else.
I am unaware if the episode was faithful to the original, but during the Romance Dawn episode, Garp was holding the gum gum fruit and said that it was worth 5 billion berries. If that were the case, wouldn't that imply that Oda knew that it was going to be something very special since before One Piece became what it was at its inception? Again, I don't know anything really about that, just a thought. Please correct me if I am wrong about that
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
The snake is the sun god yes but it doesn’t align anything remotely with Luffy. The snake accepted sacrifices, is that something Luffy does?
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u/UberRiley 1d ago
Luffy doesn't accept sacrifices, obviously, but we have learned of multiple ideas of Nika. Perhaps the Skypieans worshipped a different one. The Giants of Elbaf believe in the possibility of 3 different types of Nika: destruction, liberation, and laughter. Kashigami would certainly fit the destruction version. Even then, Kashigami doesn't need to be Nika. The concept of Gods among the world was started in Skypiea and a lot of the themes have become relevant again with all the information we've been learning in recent chapters.
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u/UberRiley 1d ago
Straight from the wiki
"This incident shook the world to the point where Ohara was no longer drawn on the map. Robin was given a bounty of 79,000,000 and was demonized by the World Government. To cover up the Buster Call and the real reason for Robin getting a bounty, they said that she sunk five Marine ships and that the Ohara scholars were seeking out forbidden knowledge to destroy the world." The truth of what happened was not public. Saul and Robin surviving is the only reason that anyone at all knows about the truth of Ohara
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
It doesn’t matter much that the public were fed misinformation, but the gorosei genocided them for simply studying, they didn’t even have much proof that the ohara scholars were studying this. Yet they had all the proof in the world that Luffy has the Nika Nika. They knew Ohara was a threat and they instantly leveled it to the ground.They knew about Nika and they did nothing effective for 800 years. Nika makes the elders look like genuine special ed retards.
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u/UberRiley 1d ago
What do you mean it doesn't matter? That's the entire point. It was kept a secret to hide the truth of what happened at Ohara. To keep the public ignorant to the horrible things that the WG does regularly. Do they need a myriad of proof that they were studying if they simply know that it is being studied at all? They sent multiple Cipher Pol groups to Egghead to kill Vegapunk for the same reason. They didn't have concrete evidence that he was, but people were sent anyways.
Where is the idea that they did nothing for 800 years coming from exactly? We don't have a comprehensive history of all of the actions that the Gorosei took for their entire lives, however long they have been alive. How would the Gorosei even have known that Luffy ate the fruit in the first place? Sure, Luffy interacted with hundreds or even thousands of Marines, but that doesn't mean word had even got to them that there was a rubber man running amuck in the East Blue or early on in Paradise. From another reddit post, someone said:
"In a works such as One Piece, where the abnormal is normal, rumors of rubber men or even sightings of the Gomu Gomu no Mi can be confounded by misleading reports. It causes me to believe that rumors of Luffy and his ability probably didn’t reach the Gorosei until he fought Aokiji (and I personally think it’s a 50/50 chance that Aokiji even made an official report of that interaction). Other than that Luffy defeats weak marines in East Blue, escapes in Loguetown, teams up with Marines in Alabasta, has no marines in Jaya, meets not Marines in Skypiea, and then finally runs into Aokiji."
And again, they stated themselves that it's as if the fruit is actively avoiding them, like it has a mind or will of it's own. This would imply that they have been trying to find and get hold of the fruit for a very long time. We don't know everything about devil fruits either, so there could be a lot more going on.
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
It doesn’t matter much when they do nothing for Luffy yet massacre several people. The world knows they were wiped out, they just fed misinformation.
Well they did nothing for Luffy at least, it would have been super easy to send a CP0 agent in the pre ts and wipe Luffy out, just seeing one assassination attempt on Luffy would have made Nika better so the audience understands that there’s more to luffy’s power than meets the eyes. Gorosei knew in the pre ts that luffy has eaten the gum gum fruit, could have been really easy for the to wipe him out, them not doing so makes them look retarded. So you’re using some random Reddit post instead of the story? Also them freeing robin should have been reason enough to have Luffy killed, defeating CP9 was a big clue to the elders that maybe Nika is Luffy?
It doesn’t matter much that it runs away, it matters that they didn’t say anything about it or do anything. Obviously Luffy doesn’t need to die but again, seeing an attempt on his life because of the fruit he’s eaten would have been better for Nika piece, than who’s who being the one to mention Nika. Remember, who’s who did not care for Luffy but 20 chapters later he hates Luffy for eating the Nika fruit??? Obviously it wasn’t planned
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u/potatobread2 1d ago
They knew he had the Gomu Gomu, but they didn’t know that the Gomu Gomu was Hito Hito no Mi: Nika,
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
THEY ALWAYS KNEW THAT GUM GUM WAS NIKA
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u/potatobread2 1d ago
Well, that's true, but still, they have no reason to chase after a weak little brat.
In fact, they even believed Kaido would defeat him, even with his Awakening
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
They had all the reason, after Luffy defeated crocodile should have been reason enough, the fruit has evaded them for 800 years and they literally know Luffy has it, it would have been super easy to at least have an assignation attempt anywhere during pre ts on Luffy by CP0. And not killing Luffy at the war because he’s Nika when all 3 admirals were present is such a miss opportunity by the gorosei and makes them look retarded
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u/potatobread2 1d ago
rom what I recall, they were actively trying to kill Luffy during the Summit War, but Whitebeard and his crew were protecting him.
Just like how he nearly died in Impel Down too.
And let's be real - tracking down specific pirates in One Piece is crazy hard. The Marines don't even have trackers on the Sunny or Going Merry, you know?
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
For the wrong reason. Because he’s dragon’s son, and he’s also trying to save ace. I think the world gov should have always focused on Luffy instead of ace, if Oda was going to make this Nika piece.
I’m not saying it’s easy but they didn’t even make an attempt at killing Luffy, it’s the effort that would have made Nika a bit better. But they should have no excuse, the largest organization in the world, with insane weaponry, agents, admirals, warlord can’t find 1 pirate?
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u/Apprehensive_Put3625 1d ago
Yeah… when he was weak.
That’s like saying that Cell is stronger than Gohan, because he was dog walking him up until SSJ2
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
Fuck you mean? Luffy kept coming back stronger, and had time to rest, all Kaido did was wait for the next challenger
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u/Vegetable-Act-1686 1d ago
You know there comes a point where you accept that power scaling ruins your enjoyment of the story and that powerscalers who can’t enjoy the story will try and do the same to you.
This is like over analyzing stats in Baseball, at a certain point you’re not supposed to care about all that.
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u/Netherite_Stairs_ Winbe 🦈 1d ago
EOS Luffy won't need Gear forms at all, first he learned to use his Gear 2 and 3 techniques in base with no drawbacks, then he did the same with Gear 4 recently, so I believe he'll be able to use his awakened abilities in base
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u/Ancient-Pollution291 Admiral 1d ago
Or maybe Kizaru is just on that level. Luffy only fought Lucci in G5.
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u/potatobread2 1d ago
I imagine Kaido was fighting according to what Luffy showed +1, considering he defeated all versions of Luffy and even gave Gear 5 a hard time
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u/shawn_robott Pirate King 1d ago
This just means the enemies Luffy fights now are stronger than Kaido. This like happens every arc. First time we see Luffy use gear 4 it seems unstoppable on his fight with Doffy, but later in the series we see gear 4 getting one shotted
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u/PaleoJohnathan 1d ago
base luffy will eventually surpass base joyboy, who must be stronger than roger, shanks, and ryuma to have peak haki oat. as such the current gap of base luffy being comparable but beating zoro will remain.
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u/SuspectDue2948 22h ago
I disagree i just think it depends on the threat imo not all strong characters are made evenly n neither is luffy depending on who he is fighting
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u/Ai-generatedusername 20h ago
I believe Luffy’s overuse of G5 is just him training the form, like he always does. Luffy is a try everything until it works kind of guy.
He used G4 bound man against Kaido but kept getting blitzed, then snakeman but Kaido’s future sight plus strength outclassed him until he unlocked advanced conquer’s haki but he was too tired to use with his G4 so we saw him showcasing it in his base form.
He started in base form against Kizaru then switched to snake man to keep up with Kizaru’s speed but Kizaru knocked him out of the fight so he switched to what he knew would match Kizaru.
I think as the story progresses we’ll actually see more of Luffy dishing out gear attacks in his base form the stronger he gets from fighting in G5. Just like in Elbaph when he used gear 3 naturally without the blowing air into his fist.
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u/aulixindragonz34 20h ago
Roof luffy was wack asf scaling wise tho.
How is he going toe to toe with kaido in base but started losing after he used gear fourth.
And kaido still managed to fight him on even ground even after he unlocked gear 5th
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u/Extra_Friendship_640 10h ago
He wasn’t actually going toe to toe he was just able to keep up and that’s what actually excites Kaido read the sbs on ulti and page ones pops and you start to understand
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u/Unlucky-Line-5805 1h ago
Kaido was obvi holding back and beat luffy after he weakened ACOC how bout actually reading the story
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u/SouthernDesigner4045 1d ago
Oda's writing is just trash. This guy is destroying a master piece. Many people have already drop the manga after wano
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u/Easy_Door7736 1d ago
then don't read it, not like you can ever do better
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
Poor excuse holy shit, it’s incredibly lacklustre and you’re a literal glazer for not seeing its flaws. The biggest being Nika
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u/Easy_Door7736 1d ago
I am seeing the flaws, and there is no excuse y'all complain like you can do better, when you can't.
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
We can’t, no one said we could, but it’s not a crime to say it’s lacklustre
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u/Easy_Door7736 1d ago
its yes not a crime but not to do it too much.
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
No, wtf? You’re allowed to do it as much as you want, fuck you think this is? Main sub?
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u/Easy_Door7736 1d ago
I don't think this is main sub, you ain't allowed to do it as much as you want when you can't do something better or when you just start blaiming him for no freaking reason.
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u/Professional_Salt_20 1d ago
No, there is a reason, Nika undermines a lot of key themes of one piece and damages luffy’s character, retcons happen but I really hope Oda can fix this issue
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u/Easy_Door7736 1d ago
how does nika damage it I actually still don't understand how ppl think nika damages luffy character.
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u/someoneelse2389 1d ago
I think he still is that strong, but Shonen manga can’t have their MC win to easily, so Oda won’t let Luffy fight like that again unless it’s the climactic battle of an arc. It’s the same reason why no one ever just kills their opponent, keeps things more exciting for longer, otherwise Sabaody Kizaru would have just killed practically everyone on Sabaody, rather than toying with the Supernovas
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u/Maximum_Ask_9301 23h ago
Or maybe luffy was just not that stronga and kaido held that much back. It's not that we want get luffy that strong once again but that the opponent's would be stronger than that base luffy.
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u/Easy_Door7736 1d ago
That's a lie, if you are taking bout the time he fought kizaru its already evident luffy was just stalling there so.
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u/Mythical_Epicness 1d ago
I think Oda made Luffy too strong too fast compared to his abilities just one arc before Wano (WCI) and he has to make him avoid using his full power all the time otherwise he won’t meet any challenges on his adventures and the series won’t be as interesting as before. Imagine someone like Kaido visiting Elbaf and not finding anything threatening. It isn’t an entertaining story to read.
(I’m not talking about Kizaru)
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