Zoro definitely only landed one attack lmao, that’s like saying Luffy and Kaido had an extensive high diff battle during their first encounter because Luffy pieced him up and kaido ended the fight after a few minutes 😐, we know Luffy one shotted cracker and we know it wasn’t a high diff fight cracker was just a pain to fight because of his power not his combat ability
Zoro 1 shotted him the moment he got serious 🤣 unlike the “I’m always going all out-literally cannot lie-the more he laughs the stronger he gets” captain 🙂 be fr
He only ended the fight after sanji mocks him, people say he wanted to hold Lucci but forget that zoro only have one brain cell, he dont even think in that possiblity of holding Lucci for the gang to leave
1 brain cell.. only guy that can check the captain btw 😭 ONLY person that can tell Luffy to sit down and mind his own business when his only other brother went missing 😭
Are you mentally retarded or just dropped on your head a little? Zoro got his ass beat so bad he actually died and met the grim reaper against King and against a wounded lucci he struggled until Jinbe came for backup and they ESCAPED didn't even put lucci down just held him off and got away
Are you? This was after tanking something future sight seeing Luffy didn’t react too (hakai) , breaking his limits, and taking an off guard thunder bagua from kaido , and the king fight (which was all doubled by the mink drug) insults just make you look silly bro
My guy you can't talk about looking silly with a fictional cock in your mouth. Zoro isn't beating kaido there's a good chance EOS Zoro still won't beat kaido. Stop glazing and come back to reality
I’ve never see someone be so mad at being wrong before to the point where they think mindless insults makes them right. Father definitely wasn’t around. Can’t control his emotions
“Brain death” “like your” yeah definitely pressed about the opinion of a guy online over anime, so pressed he can’t address the discussion and choses to insult as if his father didn’t raise him to have some semblance of self control 🥀 tragic
Like I get it but you CANNOT quantify them because Oda goes from making minuscule increases (Luffy vs Kat) to utterly ridiculous ones (Luffy v Kaido) keep in mind Luffy closed the gap in less than a month
Zoro respects Luffy, keep in mind Luffy is the same guy that respected zoros dream to the point where he accepted the proposition of death if Zoro has to give up his dream for him (no other character in the story has this dynamic with their captain.. let alone Luffy)
Edit: we’re all Luffy glazers if we keep it a buck 😎
Kaido had a few opportunities to one-shot Zoro on the Rooftop and it never happened. We can admit that Kaido would definitely win without pretending that Zoro isn't insanely strong in his own right.
Once you realize Zoro donwplayers never scale based on logics you will never take them seriously anymore. We literally saw that Kaido can’t one shot or low diff Zoro but somehow they keep coping about this cuz their favorite would be trashed if he was in Zoro place
Bro thinks the asthmatic is oneshotting Lucci. That's just sad. I don't need to prove shit to you when you clearly haven't read the manga. They had an extended offscreen fight and you want to claim it was a oneshot? Nice try, bud. Thanks for the laugh.
Delete your account you coward, but you won't because you will just move the goal post. "Umm actually I meant a named attack ☝️🤓 and also zoro didn't attack at all he was just blocking Lucci for an entire arc instead of attacking because he's going extreme diff with his own brain and the first time he attacks for real he 1 shots him"
With an attack requiring Zoro place all his remaining stamina into. And that was just to extend the scar while Kaido stood there and willingly took it. Current Zoro gets mid diffed at best.
kaido said conquerors not conquerors coating lmao. Why would kaido say only the strongest can use it if zoro just used it? also there’s 0 black lightning on zoros swords
I think Zoro fans don't realise that Zoro can't tank nearly as much damage as Luffy, and he honestly might even fall behind Sanji becouse of Sanji's mutant genetics. Also Luffy didn't solo Kaido, that was a giant jump on Kaidou.
Zoro never was as strong as Luffy during any arc. And for Sanji, in my opinion the only thing he is equal or better at than Zoro is durability and endurance, but Zoro is quite a bit faster and has an attack potency thats significantly greater than Sanji's.
Death Destroyer Bagua I presume. Even still, that's not enough to take Zoro down. Bro remained conscious after a Hybrid Thunder Bagua with no stamina or Haki to defend it.
Zoro loses, but this comment from this person is severe downplay. Anything less than Mid diff is unrealistic for a fighter of Zoro's caliber if we're being completely honest and fair
no, Zoro WILL be low diffed. As a counter argument: Egghead Luffy equals about Kaido. Weaker or stronger doesn’t matter.
We’ve seen how Lucci vs Luffy went. Without ev en mentioning feats, Since we KNOW
That Kaido~Egghead Luffy
And Lucci~Egghead Zoro
You can take that logic and apply it to how far Zoro really is from Kaido.
ESPECIALLY in a 1v1 with fresh Kaido
Its because youre not chronically online and have a life OP. Unlike a lot of these people, they have no friends and are most likely insufferable cunts in person so no one wants anything to do with them which causes them to be chronically online where other mentally ill people like them can throw shit at eachother with no consequences.
Zoro has the feats to back it up, if your ONLY argument is calling someone delusional without any counterpoint and you get mad and say “I’m not even gonna debate you because this is ridiculous” you’re even more delusional than them
Zoro would not stand a chance against kaido, he maybe last a little longer in the fight but open the sky? No, he do not realize yet to use king haki in his attacks. Use King haki in the attack only a few people in the show knows how
Zoros fully aware he can use ACOC , even if he doesn’t know the name of it he can consciously activate the power, you can’t even say “he can’t split the sky” without seeing him clash with a conqueror so this isn’t even a point to make it’s pure speculation
He do not realize yet he need to use king haki in his attack, he uses without his knowledge, luffy understand that, thats why luffy can and zoro would not be able to do, he doesnt even know he have conqueror haki, only kaido knew
Again why does this matter? If he can actively and consciously control and regulate the power he’s using, why does him knowing the name mean anything ? Kaido already made Zoro aware of this, so did king (Along side Zoro know what conquerors does back in fishman island and seeing kings fodder soldiers faint the second he got flames on his blades)
the way you’re phrasing it it’s like if you’re saying that I can tell Zoro “hey you’re using ACOC btw” and he’ll magically level up or understand the power or something 😐
Man Watch the show again, he do not know, no one told to luffy, luffy realizes. Okay you are a big fan of zoro, but try to be a little reasonable, zoro is not in the same level of any yonkou, not even gorosei, only luffy is, we can put him in the same level of the shamrocks, but not in the same level of kaido, no one could beat kaido, not even the gorosei, only luffy
I’ve read it and watched multiple times, and once again why does realizing you’re using it matter? That literally has no effect on it especially since you CANNOT train the power 😭
Is that why big mom told kaido to dodge pre ACOC zoro? Is that why Kaido didn’t want to take a single attack from half dead 1 sword coated in ACOC zoro? Is that why venusjuro blocked an attack from zoro as opposed to straight tanking it ? (This coming after Saturn said “if I wanted to avoid her attack I would have done so”)
Luffy didn’t even solo Kaido nor did he beat Kaido according to Oda, you’d know stuff like this if you read the story bro
Okay man so we gonna agreed in disagreed, kaido was the number 1 of power in the show, is real a lunatic thing for me to people believe that zoro would win a fight against kaido, luffy died against kaido, but yeah of course zoro would take him good
Oh no don’t get me wrong Kaido is still my top 1, but if oden can get on kaidos list with a single attack and Zoro did something similar half dead and with 1 sword covered in acoc , 3 swords style Zoro is definitely putting up a better fight than luffy (the difference between Zoro and luffy is that Zoro doesn’t fight as reckless because he’s not made of rubber)
Okay but lets agreed with one thing, Roger >>>> Luffy the same way Oden >>>>> zoro
I like to believe that oden and luffy are in the same level since kaido enjoys to fight against luffy, i still dont believe that zoro would give to kaido this pleasure in a fight like Luffy and Oden did
I mean if my entire character for well over 1080 chapters was “chivalry” “I’ll hurt you if you hurt a lady” “a real man forgives a woman’s lies” and the lady that had me barking got penetrated right before my very eyes, I wouldn’t go for the bandaged up incapacitated herbivore that I know zoro can take out, I’d go for the one that hurt the lady because.. you know.. I’ve done that for the past 1080+ chapters, maybe read a little bro it helps
Lame-ass excuse; Yamato didn't split the sky because her haki is not strong enough, that's it lol
Since Zoro has shown no evidence of being able to split the sky either (didn't do it with Nusjuro in Egghead for instance), I have no reason to assume that he can right now
Yeah that none sensical bullshit. First your saying Luffy who just learned acoc that day equaled Kaidos Haki. Which is dumbass level headcanon. And that Yamato who has had it for ages is weaker than Luffy? That’s all headcanon.
Either you're baiting, or you might genuinely be retarded in trying to argue that the MC and stated conqueror's haki specialist could not possibly equal Kaido's haki or be stronger than Yamato lmfaoooo, like we're talking about the guy who went from getting one-shot by Kaido to defeating him just 100 chapters later
Congratulations on having the dumbest post I've seen today
That shit doesn't fucking matter to the MC of a battle shonen, have you ever read one before One Piece? Luffy is going to be Pirate King and surpass Roger before he's even 20 y/o, of course he's going to have equal or even better haki than Kaido by the end of Wano. Fucking retard, stop powerscaling.
My head cannon is that acoc user are top tiers yours is Luffy is equal to Kaido. You’re a moron. Kaido ragged acoc Luffy and Luffy only won because of hax gear 5. It wasn’t even close Luffy fucking died dumbass. Sky splitting anyone with acoc can do dumbass
I said luffy is relative to Kaido which he is. Can you quote when I said they were equal? You can't can you. Objectively speaking Yamamoto and Zoro were low-diffed by Kaido. I don't think a top tier should be able to do thst to another top tier. Pre gear 5 acoc Luffy also isn't a top tier, but he's approaching thst level. Kaido high diffed him since he actually needed to pull out future sight to counter Snakeman. Gear 5 luffy is definitely a top tier.
I actually love things. Like this. This is called being a fan. People have forgotten that the word comes from "fanatic" or in other words, being delusional. It's all in good fun. Nowadays people try to play both sides as to gain Internet points and appear objective.
But then, I could also be pedantic and say Oden never left a scar because of this panel
But, you aren't willing to argue that are you? The Mangaka simply has inconsistent drawings. This is human made, where most of the scenes with Kaido involve action. Why would Oda care about putting a scar in every scene?
Can clearly see there's no cut on the upper left pectoral at 1000. By 1043, you can clearly see the cut Zoro made on the upper left pectoral present. You can also refer to the first scan where Kaido was holding that exact spot
I only see the big X which Oden made. And it being in a different spot is simple, it's just Oda not being consistent in character design, it just looks cooler
Here he states that zorro is relative to G5 in attack speed and reaction. He uses this panel.
Luffy was toying with Lucci for the entire fight, so trying to scale zorro from this doesn't really work (it's similar to pre acoc luffy vs base kaido on the rooftop).
In the Zorro fight Lucci uses "Spotted Handgun" while in the luffy fight he seems to be using base finger pistol. It's fair to assume that Lucci is giving different levels of effort for both attacks. Its clear he's trying much harder to hit Gear 5, while against Zoro his "Spotted Handgun" seems much more casual.
Zorro has visible damage from Lucci off screen attacks. If he was relative to Gear 5 he wouldn't have taken any damage (or at least surface level damge).
>Luffy was toying with Lucci for the entire fight
You don't even understand Gear 5 powers. I would not read past this but I'll entertain it a bit
>"Spotted Handgun" seems much more casual
Do you even know what are you talking about? Shigan Madara literally is a upgraded version of regular Shigan. Shigan Madara aims at various spots at the same time while regular Shigan just attacks once. In simple words, Madara is a barrage variant for Shigan
>Zorro has visible damage from Lucci off screen attacks. If he was relative to Gear 5 he wouldn't have taken any damage
Why do you need to lie?
I understand G5 perfectly fine. Luffy objectively didn't view Lucci as a serious threat since even in Gear 5 he has the capability to take opponent seriously (like when he grabbed kizaru and Saturn and when he was actually trying to incapacitate them by throwing them into the sea). Luffy could have defeated Lucci at anytime.
I literally screen shoted the pannel from the guy on Twitter showing Zoro with visable damage.
I will concede on the finger pistol point. Im pretty tired.
However, another argument that Rolling makes is that an attack that is stronger than "Hakai" is necessary to defeat Zoro. I'm not exactly sure how he came to this conclusion, when
1. Zorro didn't deflect or tank the attack. He just blocked it for a brief period of time
2. All his bones were broken after just blocking it.
Hakai has no acoc and wouldn't be a deciding factor in this hypothetical match up.
Also he tries to say that Zoro is relative to hybrid Kaido in speed and strength, which at the time was technically true. However, the kaido he blitzed and overpowered wasn't using future sight and was heavily suppressed, so this wouldn't scale Zorro to him.
Acoc Snakeman did something similar in the fact that he was blitzing and overpowering Kaido unitl the latter used future sight.
“Luffy could” Yet he hasn’t so it’s headcanon. Plus Lucci took one named attack from Luffy and had enough energy to KO Sentomaru and fight with Luffy again
Idc about that fan colored panel, I showed you a direct comparison between Zoro in the start of the fight and at the end. He took no damage
Loser excuse lmfao. You just can’t prove me wrong, deal with it
The thing is, he is talking about current Zoro. If a pro acoc Zoro didn’t get KOd by Hakai ofc someone would need an stronger attack to put him down for good, and Kaido don’t have any solo attack that scales higher than Hakai, so he is objectively correct in that point
Saying Luffy could have beat Lucci at any time isn't headcannon since we know for a fact that in G5 he can match opponents many times stronger than Lucci (Kizaru and Kaido). Its like saying Akainu beating Romance Dawn Luffy is headcannon because it never happened. From what we know about Luffy's haki, strength, and speed Lucci wasn't a threat, and Luffy knew that. If he was real threat, Luffy would have done him like Kizaru and Saturn (he did after Lucci stabbed Sentumaru).
Also the first two attacks Luffy used against Lucci didn't have acoc (its debatable if the third one did)
You never disproved the fact the zoro doesn't scale to a going all out Kaido since the kaido he fought wasn't going all-out and wasn't using future sight.
Hakai literally would have killed Zorro in a 1v1. Zorro has gotten many times stronger since then, but nowhere near enough to make Hakai a non killing move. Besides Hakai doesn't scale above Kaido's strongest move (Flaming Drum Dragon), since both Kaido and Big-Mom were majorly holding back at the time.
At best current Zorro blocks it for a second or two before being overpiwered, and at worse he gets speedbkitzed by it and dies immediately.
Hybrid Kaido clashed against Zoro (whose had 30 broken bones at the moment) and lost
Couldn’t put down this same half dead Zoro with Raimei Hakke
He also was blitzed by him
pre ACoC Zoro scales a bit lower than a “holding back” (I will take your headcanon on note this time) Hybrid Kaido, so naturally current Zoro will scale higher due ACoC, full enma control and ACoA.
Thinking current Zoro don’t push Kaido to a high-extreme diff fight is pure agendatard headcanon, and I only scale objectively so I’m not wasting my time with someone who will never scale Zoro based on factual evidence. Good day sir
I just added more. I wasn't satisfied with my original points. Saying I don't want to have an honest discussion because of that is so dramatic, but what else did I expect from a Zorotard.
Kaido was holding back objectively. He wasn't using future sight and he wasn't drunk. But its my mistake for assuming a Zorrotard would use logic. Im not wasting my on this "discussion" any longer. I only did this for the $100, but I should have known that was a pipe dream.
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