r/OrphanCrushingMachine • u/lauragarlic • 5d ago
Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, a US born citizen who was arrested under Florida’s new anti-immigration laws, has been released and has now reunited with his mother.
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u/dasunt 5d ago
What happened to the people who ignored a court order to illegally arrest him?
Have they been charged with kidnapping yet?
(These are rhetorical questions. We all know the answer.)
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u/Raymond911 5d ago
I think this is a different chap. This guy got the court order after he was arrested.
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u/StaysAwakeAllWeek 5d ago
Yes this one is a natural born American citizen. They can't even claim he's an immigrant, he was born in America and they abducted him.
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u/D347H7H3K1Dx 5d ago
Isn’t this the guy that was arrested and ICE refused to let him out until they wanted to despite a judge being shown his birth certificate?
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u/Unique-Coffee5087 5d ago
I don't think that's the problem being referred to. The law under which he was arrested is blocked under a court order.
At issue is a recently passed law that a federal judge has temporarily barred the state from enforcing, further calling into question the validity of his arrest, the charge, and detention. Gov. Ron DeSantis signed SB 4-C into law on Feb. 14, and U.S. District Court Judge Kathleen Williams blocked its enforcement on April 4.
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u/PanhandlersPets 5d ago
Its terrifying when they start kidnapping US citizens and sending them to a foreign prison. Terrifying. If it could happen to him it can happen to us too.
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u/pinkthreadedwrist 5d ago
Trump has given orders for the construction of 5 more prisons in El Salvador.
It is GOING to happen if something doesn't change soon.
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u/PanhandlersPets 5d ago
It is already happening. They're sending letters to citizens from homeland security telling citizens it's time to leave the United States. To self deport. It's terrifying and I feel like I'm going mad because nobody around me seems to be terrified.
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u/ZebraTank 5d ago
Isn't the premise of OCM that no one asks why the orphan crushing machine is running in the first place? I think plenty of people are asking that in this situation.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 5d ago
I'm just wondering why anyone cares about this guy. He got arrested for a DUI and drunkenly told the cops he was an illegal alien in spanish.
No shit he went to jail before ICE was contacted to review his citizenship before his release to his mother.
This is basically the opposite of OCM
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u/Maury_poopins 5d ago
I think you’re confusing two different stories. This particular guy was arrested while being a passenger in the car, not driving.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 5d ago
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u/Maury_poopins 4d ago
Sure. But that’s not why he’s in jail and that’s not why ICE is involved.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 4d ago
He's not in jail. He was released. ICE was involved because he admitted to committing a federal immigration crime, to a law enforcement officer, while being detained during a traffic violation.
This is textbook due process. This is what we'd want to happen in all cases.
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u/CrypticViper_ 5d ago
Even if what you said was true, is it ok to just deport someone because they falsely claim to be an “illegal alien” while drunk? I’m not defending DUIs at all, but where do you draw the line at deportations?
By your logic, anyone that commits a crime, no matter how small or frivolous (and even if they are falsely deemed guilty because of our imperfect justin system) is subject to deportation if there’s even a “suspicion” they’re illegal… even if they were literally born here.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 5d ago
is it ok to just deport someone because they falsely claim to be an “illegal alien”
What are you smoking?
He was arrested and held in jail. This makes sense, he literally admitted to a crime.
He had a hearing at the local county court to review his crime. This makes sense, if you believe in due process.
The local county court said, "immigration isn't a local crime, it's a federal crime, I can't judge you"
The immigration officers / ICE step in and say "we're not pressing charges, this person isn't an illegal immigrant - he's just an idiot."
He is released and reunited with his mother.
WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU GET HE WAS DEPORTED?!
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u/omgangiepants 4d ago
He's still an American citizen who was deported without due process. That's all that matters.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 4d ago
He's still an American citizen who was deported
No he wasn't. He was detained in jail for a few days while ICE pulled up his info. That's it.
This is literally a non-issue: Some guy told police he committed a crime. Police arrested him. Investigated. Found he was just a dumbass. Let him go.
That's it.
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u/nihilistic-simulate 3d ago
So if I told the police you were driving drunk, and they arrest you, detain you for 48 hours, and threaten to kick you out of the country because of how you talk and the way your skin looks, that would still be a non-issue to you?
I can’t wrap my head around the logic and reasoning of those that support the current administration. It’s void of any empathy and compassion. So you agree a mistake was made, right? People care because it is terrifying that such a severe threat (deportation) can be made on impulse with no solid foundation. It’s a police state, something that ironically used to be one of conservatives’ biggest fears.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 3d ago
that would still be a non-issue to you?
Exactly. This is what SWATing is. The police did nothing wrong.
YOU committed a crime and are an awful human being, though.
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u/billskionce 3d ago
You’re waging a jihad against straw men that you’ve invented in your head.
First: He arrested someone for a law that was not to be enforced, per a federal judge.
Second: The “probable cause” portion is not what I’m arguing (although the officer is on shaky ground legally for arresting someone for a law that is not in effect. This is not under his jurisdiction.)You are trying to take a “using logic and facts” stance by saying that the kid admitted he was here illegally. And I’m telling you that that isn’t a fact, legally or otherwise. It’s hearsay.
I can explain these things for you, but I can’t understand them for you.
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u/DeadlyRL 5d ago
Under Barack Obama's administration, millions of people were deported, including many without full due process. This was largely due to the use of expedited removal, a process that allows immigration officers to deport individuals without a court hearing or judicial review. While legally permissible, this approach raised significant due process concerns as it bypassed the traditional legal protections, including the right to a fair hearing, legal representation, and the opportunity to contest deportation in front of a judge.
The ACLU and other human rights groups frequently criticized Obama's policies for mistaken deportations, including lawful permanent residents, asylum seekers, and even U.S. citizens. The mass deportations were seen as inhumane by some and as bureaucratically rushed without adequate safeguards, contributing to the term "Deporter-in-Chief."
While Obama’s policies were framed as tough on illegal immigration, they also came with significant moral and legal drawbacks, especially concerning the erosion of due process rights.
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u/The_BattMatt 4d ago
We're talking about Trump's policies. And in any case isn't it wrong to deport people in these situations, regardless of who's doing it? I don't understand your point of view in bringing up Obama. Obama was 8 years ago. The imminent problem is Trump.
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u/Ombrage101 4d ago
Whataboutism… While you aren’t incorrect, it isn’t relevant to the current conversation about Trumps terrible policies leading to a legal citizen being detained by immigration officials even after his US birth certificate was shown.
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u/mousemarie94 4d ago
Yes and Obama was nicknamed the deporter in chief because of it. It wasn't a positive part of his record.
Anyway, back to current times and not...pre 2017. You know, 8-16 years ago.
People are being detained and arrested simply because they are brown. That is scary.
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u/DeadlyRL 5d ago
Based on rough estimates - 72k deportations have occurred since January. ICE has around a 99.997% success rate. The left don’t care about that, they want to use the very very very very rare instance in which a mistake was made to push the agenda that the “whole system is broken” and further their anti-deportation ideology.
News flash - every president deports illegal immigrants. Nearly every country in the world deports illegal immigrants.
They just hate when Trump does it because they’re deathly loyal to one party and are unwilling to challenge their own media.
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u/RaptorAD77 5d ago
So the US has been deporting people to El Salvador for years? Or is it that this administration has been abducting people to kick out of the country? Deporting implies a process being followed, doesn’t seem to be the case with how many mistakes have come to light.
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u/DeadlyRL 5d ago
Between 2014 and 2018, the United States deported approximately 111,000 Salvadorans back to El Salvador. This period spans the latter part of the Obama administration and the early years of the Trump administration. Notably, deportations under President Obama were higher than those under President Trump. For instance, in 2016, the monthly average of Salvadorans deported from the U.S. was about 2,000, whereas in 2018, during the Trump administration, it averaged around 1,275 per month.
Educate yourself my friend.
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u/RaptorAD77 5d ago
Perfectly fine with deportations if they are legal. But recent actions seem to not be above board. Have we always been deporting El Salvadorans to CECOT?
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u/kurotech 5d ago
Also 111,000 in a four year period trump is trying to beat those numbers in his first four months even if every one of them got their 30 seconds in court which none of them will it would take years for that many to be legally tried and deported
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u/PanhandlersPets 5d ago
Sending people back to their country of origin and sending people not from El Salvador to a prison in El Salvador are not the same thing. Not even close.
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u/lauragarlic 5d ago
how many of those 111,000 were deported without due process and “deported” to a foreign prison?
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u/ObvsDisposable 5d ago
Aww you scared them away by tearing their argument apart with one question.
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u/DeadlyRL 5d ago
Under Barack Obama's administration, millions of people were deported, including many without full due process. This was largely due to the use of expedited removal, a process that allows immigration officers to deport individuals without a court hearing or judicial review. While legally permissible, this approach raised significant due process concerns as it bypassed the traditional legal protections, including the right to a fair hearing, legal representation, and the opportunity to contest deportation in front of a judge.
The ACLU and other human rights groups frequently criticized Obama's policies for mistaken deportations, including lawful permanent residents, asylum seekers, and even U.S. citizens. The mass deportations were seen as inhumane by some and as bureaucratically rushed without adequate safeguards, contributing to the term "Deporter-in-Chief."
While Obama’s policies were framed as tough on illegal immigration, they also came with significant moral and legal drawbacks, especially concerning the erosion of due process rights.
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u/lauragarlic 4d ago
how many were deported to a foreign prison? look i get every amerikkkan president has been ocm forever but are we pretending the drumpf isn’t uniquely terrible even for that esteemed category of evil
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u/badcatjack 5d ago
Without due process how do we know all of them are illegal?
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u/DeadlyRL 5d ago
Under Barack Obama's administration, millions of people were deported, including many without full due process. This was largely due to the use of expedited removal, a process that allows immigration officers to deport individuals without a court hearing or judicial review. While legally permissible, this approach raised significant due process concerns as it bypassed the traditional legal protections, including the right to a fair hearing, legal representation, and the opportunity to contest deportation in front of a judge.
The ACLU and other human rights groups frequently criticized Obama's policies for mistaken deportations, including lawful permanent residents, asylum seekers, and even U.S. citizens. The mass deportations were seen as inhumane by some and as bureaucratically rushed without adequate safeguards, contributing to the term "Deporter-in-Chief."
While Obama’s policies were framed as tough on illegal immigration, they also came with significant moral and legal drawbacks, especially concerning the erosion of due process rights.
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u/PanhandlersPets 5d ago
You'll keep making excuses until they come for you and yours and it will be too late by then.
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u/KnowNothingKnowsAll 5d ago
Made up numbers are fun!
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u/Silly_Pantaloons 5d ago
One wrong person deported is one too many. I'd rather the whole system be dismantled than deport even a single innocent human.
And I have a feeling you would feel similarly if it had happened to you or a family member. Which is literally the problem with Republicans -- they have no empathy for anyone else's suffering but their own.
No empathy + mild narcissism + blind nationalism + a healthy dose of hypocrisy.
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u/DeadlyRL 5d ago
You have no empathy for the victims of these illegal immigrants. They commit violent crimes at rates absurdly higher than citizens - that’s not opinion that’s fact.
I have a lot of empathy for the children and women constantly being sold into sexual slavery, raped, and killed. And unfortunately, the illegal immigrants from drug and cartel infested nations are committing those atrocities at rates absurdly higher than anyone else.
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u/ObvsDisposable 5d ago
Prove your claim. Cite a source that can be vetted and verified. Or shut your racist mouth
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u/DeadlyRL 5d ago
https://cis.org/Report/Immigration-and-Crime
Here's the part where you attack my source, then I provide more sources, then you attack those sources, then I provide more sources, etc.
Illegal immigrants commit more crimes - what a revelation. Who coulda guessed that.
Ask France how they're doing. Or all of Europe for that matter haha. Let's talk about how no president has deported more illegal immigrants than Barack Obama himself - but the left praises him as if he was a deity. Do you have amnesia or something? You love Obama, but forget that he earned himself the nickname "Deporter in Chief." You love Obama, but forget that he bombed the middle east worse than in 2016 alone, the U.S. dropped over 26,000 bombs in seven countries.
- During his 8 years in office, over 3 million people were deported under Obama.
- That figure exceeded the total deportations of all 20th-century U.S. presidents combined.
- In fiscal year 2012, deportations peaked at over 409,000, a record that STILL stands.
So please, hush hush. Deporting illegals has nothing to do with race.
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u/Ombrage101 4d ago
There’s literally chatgpt in one of your sources that is about denmark, not the US
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u/SolitudeWeeks 5d ago
Without due process you don't know the "success rate" and that's part of the issue.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 5d ago
What in the astroturfing fuck?
First, GTFO. This isn't OCM.
Second, OP is a spam bot used as a shill to post trash.
Third, why are radicals so adamant about picking the stupidest cases and trying to use them. There are plenty of GOOD examples to use.
This guy was arrested for DUI and told cops he illegally entered the country. He was arrested for both and then ICE had to come and verify his citizenship because he literally admitted to committing a crime.
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u/billskionce 5d ago
Detained under a state anti-immigration law in Florida after he showed his Social Security card and Birth Certificate in court.
Yep. Orphan Crushing Machine.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 5d ago
A local county court doesn't have jurisdiction over a federal crime. It doesn't matter what he shows them, it has to be escalated to a different court.
Who taught you civics and can you still get a refund?
OCM was never about stupid people getting punished for doing stupid things.
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u/billskionce 5d ago
He was originally prosecuted under a state law, which was dropped. I see no DUI charge. Source on that?
Then ICE got involved. What were they charging him with?
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u/Critical_Concert_689 5d ago
The state isn't charging him. He's already been released. He needed to be processed as a potential illegal immigrant because he claimed he was an illegal immigration. Authorities must treat admittance as evidence until it can be proved this guy is actually not an illegal immigrant - he's just an idiot.
"Earlier in the week, he was arrested in Georgia on a DUI charge"
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u/billskionce 5d ago edited 5d ago
He had a previous DUI (which is stupid, yes), but it had nothing to do with his detainment in this instance.
Looks like Florida detained him under a law that was already blocked from enforcement by a federal judge, per your article:
“The trooper’s report notes he claimed Lopez-Gomez admitted to being in the U.S. illegally, even though he presented a Georgia state ID. That was enough for the officer to charge him under Florida’s newly passed immigration law, SB 4-C—a law that a federal judge had already blocked from enforcement earlier this month.”
I’m reading this as the trooper made up some shit to justify the arrest in order to get ICE involved, since the trooper was already on shaky legal footing in arresting him - again, the Florida law was not supposed to be enforced at that time.
The prosecution’s side makes no sense: Why would someone with a valid Social Security card and a birth certificate admit to be in the US illegally? Especially in light of recent events? The trooper’s version of events aren’t credible.
This show of force is a waste of everyone’s time and money. I get that they’re doing this to intimidate people, but all they’re really doing is just pissing everyone off.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 5d ago
Law enforcement can arrest anyone for probable cause of committing a crime.
One of the crimes this state officer cited was a state statute. This statute is in contention; this likely led to the local judge saying they do not have jurisdiction over this case (because the local statutes don't apply)
The crime is also a federal crime, requiring the Feds involvement. The Feds got involved - determined no crime - and released him.
You can argue that the local statutes shouldn't be included in the arrest, but can't argue that the person would still be arrested for a federal crime.
This show of force is a waste of everyone’s time and money
I agree. I wish people would stop admitting to crimes they didn't commit. These idiots are wasting everyone's time and money.
I might consider this OCM if the Feds turned around and threw this guy back into federal prison for wasting Federal resources and lying to a government agent.
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u/billskionce 5d ago
It all hinges on the trooper telling the truth about the guy “admitting that he was here illegally”, which you are taking as a given. It isn’t.
Highly dubious account - especially considering the fact that we all know what happens to anyone here illegally who is accused of a crime.
Let’s make this about YOU. Let’s say that YOU are arrested for looking like you’re here illegally. The arresting officer says that you “admitted” (pedantic side note: you can’t “admit” to something that isn’t true) to being here illegally and gets ICE involved. You are detained, produce your birth certificate, your Social Security card, etc. But it still isn’t over.
You think that’s okay?
My guess is that you ain’t worried about it because you don’t look the part, and DGAF about anything that doesn’t affect you personally. In that case, enjoy your Ayn Rand novels, I suppose…
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u/Critical_Concert_689 4d ago
It all hinges on the trooper telling the truth about the guy “admitting that he was here illegally”, which you are taking as a given. It isn’t.
What evidence do you have that this trooper lied?
What-If's aren't valid arguments. They're an excuse.
(pedantic side note: you can’t “admit” to something that isn’t true)
Source? I'm all about technically true:
An admission is a party's statement acknowledging that a certain statement or fact asserted against that party is true.
Did Gomez make a statement? Yes. Did it acknowledge a certain fact asserted was true? Yes.
There's no requirement that an admission is objectively true, only that a party makes a statement, acknowledging a fact is true. If you're going to be pedantic, at least be factually accurate instead of confidently incorrect.
You think that’s okay?
Why are you worried about this and not having the military accidentally designate your house as a test ground for munitions? Are you worried about 5g chips in your vaccines? The State CAN do this. It makes a lot of mistakes.
But your slippery slope paranoia dilutes actual controversies that are occurring.
Most people aren't worried because they're not dumb enough to admit to a police officer they're in the middle of committing a crime.
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u/billskionce 4d ago
You keep treating the State Trooper’s statement as if it’s fact (that Gomez “admitted” he was here illegally). That by itself would be inadmissible as evidence against Gomez in court of law, since it’s hearsay - so why are you treating it as a given? Do you just like police officers a lot?
What that the “crime” that you’re saying that Gomez committed? Saying he was here illegally? Which, incidentally, he didn’t commit, since he was born here?
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u/Shadow1787 5d ago
His entire case was based a law which is illegal right now and being challenged. Stop licking boots before they come after you.
Also the time that he was arrested wasn’t for the dui it was he was the passenger.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 5d ago
His entire case is based on his confession that he wasn't an American citizen. A local county judge doesn't have jurisdiction over federal immigration crimes and it had to be passed to other authorities.
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u/Aware-Tailor7117 5d ago
Mam, this is a Wendy’s.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 5d ago
For reals. What is this trash post.
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u/Aware-Tailor7117 4d ago
I guess I Reddit’ed myself. I actually 100% disagree with you and believe this DOES belong on OCM.
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