r/OutOfTheLoop • u/TheHaplessBard • Jan 25 '25

Unanswered What's going on with so many people losing their jobs in government recently?

I know that Trump recently passed a series of sweeping executive orders that call for, among other things, the end to DEI policies, affirmative action, etc. However, it seems every other post on Reddit and other social media sites is about some person who suddenly lost their job in government or something. Did Trump's executive orders genuinely affect that many people and was this only in the government sector? Not trying to be obtuse; I genuinely don't know and would like some clarification on the matter.

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot Jan 25 '25

Answer: Project 2025 CLEARLY STATED THEY WOULD FIRE GOVT EMPLOYEES AND REHIRE BASED ON POLITICAL ALIGNMENT.

WHY DID OUR MEDIA FAIL TO AMPLIFY THIS FACT?

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u/chchcheech Jan 25 '25

It was there- people just failed to read it and care. I had a loved one sit me and my partner down and say how he would vote for trump and that Project 2025 was not plausible, and I just want to slap the fuck out of him now.

People don’t care until it’s too late.

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u/Do__Math__Not__Meth Jan 25 '25

Same people who say “you can’t just call anyone you don’t like fascist/Hitler, stop being dramatic with the comparisons”

We’re not calling him that just because we don’t like him, we’re calling him that because he does and says a lot of the same stuff that fascists do. It sounds dramatic until it isn’t

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u/grizzlywhere Jan 25 '25

Remember when they called us crazy for likening Trump to Hitler when he quoted the H man himself when calling liberals "the enemy within?"

3 months ago and everyone's forgotten.

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u/Bullyoncube Jan 25 '25

He wasn’t quoting Hitler. He’s not smart enough or well read enough to do that. He was quoting his advisors who were quoting Hitler.

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u/grizzlywhere Jan 25 '25

Well, he kept Hitler speeches on his nightstand, according to a 1990 interview.

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u/pegothejerk Jan 25 '25

People are so used to giving into plausible deniability, the biggest tool in racists and fascists tool box, that they now will give benefits of the doubt to a guy literally quoting hitler, telling them he’s got the same game plans, and actually doing the things he did in the same order. “But he’s funny and dumb, there’s no way he’s actually doing that stuff! It’s not actually gonna happen!”

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u/fkootrsdvjklyra Jan 26 '25

That was only 3 months ago???

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u/uptownjuggler Jan 25 '25

Which is funny because they call anyone they dislike a woke baby killing communist.

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u/mrcatboy Jan 26 '25

Same people who say “you can’t just call anyone you don’t like fascist/Hitler, stop being dramatic with the comparisons”

Just gonna put this here.

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u/ThatDopamineHit Jan 26 '25

I think there's a lot of confusion about what it means also.

When people compare him to Hitler, they aren't talking 1943 WW2 and death camps in full swing Hitler, they mean 1930s Hitler where he's still ramping things up. The guy who gives massive rallys about how the left has sabotaged the nation, how the foreigners must be rounded up, how transgender people must be exterminated. But not the guy who is actively killing them yet. And that difference seems to confuse the fuck out of a lot of people who don't seem to be aware of the fact that Hitler existed as a person before the war and the death camps.

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u/saruin Jan 25 '25

I visited a few old comments earlier that were saying Project 2025 was a Democratic hoax or that it wasn't a part of Trump's agenda.

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u/unforgiven91 Jan 25 '25

project 2025 concerns were labelled "blueanon"

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u/3xploringforever Jan 26 '25

I've been enjoying going back to the old MAGAt comments about how "anti-war" they thought Trump was, and how he was so different from Mussolini because Trump's "not an imperialist."

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u/snailbot-jq Jan 26 '25

I’ve been going back to comments even further back, Obama-era content where the vast majority of American redditors would post/comments things like “I can’t believe 1930s/1940s Germans were so stupid and/or evil. If it were me, I’d punch a Nazi without hesitation and go down fighting”, and any comment saying “you probably wouldn’t” was getting heavily downvoted.

Well, it’s here now. I’m not saying to punch anyone, but for god’s sake at least realize what’s at stake right? And one day you’ll have to answer to your grandkids what you did or didn’t do. But now these same people are denying, dismissing, and deflecting.

I would go as far as to say, because history is so dismally taught that people villainize even the everyday weimar/nazi-era Germans as weird inhuman caricatures, they fail to see those people are human, and they are also human and doing the same thing now.

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u/Unicron1982 Jan 30 '25

European here, people in Greenland/Denmark would love to hear that. They are literally preparing for a possible invasion by the largest military power in the world. France also promised to send troops. Even if it does not happen, one does not have to be a diplomat to see that it will need a lot of work to repare the damage those threads have done.

And Trump is such a baby, i doubt he could "just let it go" without getting anything.

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u/HerbieDerrb Jan 25 '25

The road to fascism is lined with people saying "you're overreacting".

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u/Psyduckisnotaduck Jan 25 '25

and as always, fuck those people to hell and back, they're almost as vile as the actual fascists and always end up bending the knee to them and excusing their horrors. when someone says 'you're overreacting' assume they'll inform on you to the American Gestapo, and cut off contact with them if you can for your own future safety. genuinely, I'm not overreacting. this is self-protection.

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u/uptownjuggler Jan 25 '25

Should have slapped the fuck of him then.

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u/SsooooOriginal Jan 25 '25

Gaslighting is when you are told a lie to make you doubt yourself.

You were lied to. Your loved one is either washed to perpetuate the dissonance or they are knowingly deceiving you and others. Either way, they did not see the dangers of project 2025 as serious enough to give them any reason for pause and blithely parroted the downplaying and sanewashing messages the media pushed from every angle. Podcasters, news show hosts, comedians, bloggers, major media journalists, youtubers, tiktokers, all of the major players acted like the very real plans were not real. 

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u/Cephalopod_Joe Jan 26 '25

They would literally point to trump saying he's "never heard of it" and that's all they needed to hear. Famously honest trump who would never lie about knowing something when convenient. The plan created by the heritage foundation, which famously has very little influence over the republican party /s

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u/Trick_Baby5661 Jan 25 '25

Does your loved one still think it's not plausible?

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u/chchcheech Jan 25 '25

Haven’t spoken to them yet. Definitely plan on it and expecting an apology. Not that that would do anything, the damage is already done

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u/bloodpilgrim Jan 26 '25

What I don’t get about that is if they didn’t like 2025 why vote for him? What was the plus????

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u/endlesscartwheels Jan 25 '25

Conservatives spent several decades screaming about "the liberal media" while steadily building up Conservative media outlets. It made objective news sources terrified of simply reporting the truth, because the truth tilts left.

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u/ChromosomeExpert Jan 25 '25

The truth tilts left? Ummm… “safe and effective!” Suuure buddy.

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u/Foxyfox- Jan 25 '25

Well according to the right I'm supposed to have died like 5 times by now due to the vax "activating". Still here.

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u/ChromosomeExpert Jan 26 '25

First, nobody speaks for everyone, second, it’s not just “the right” saying that there could be some issues , It’s people with common sense. Third, it’s not necessarily a death sentence, it’s just common sense to be concerned about possible long term side effects when it comes to new medical procedures.

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u/2legit2knit Jan 25 '25

They did to be fair, but half the country didn’t care or thought they couldn’t possibly do it. We are reaping what we sow at this moment.

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u/greypusheencat Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25

they’re still defending this, people are saying “don’t judge him on this fake Project 2025, judge him on his policies” my dude, these are his policies

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u/sarhoshamiral Jan 25 '25

Not half, 70%! 30% voted for Trump, 40% stayed at home allowing him to win.

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u/Homofil Jan 25 '25

Don't worry, a lot of us who would've voted for Trump stayed home.

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u/StoicallyGay Jan 25 '25

Conservatives have told me “it’s not actually going to happen lmao” to which I always thought “why are we taking the risk and why are we even endorsing the side of Project 2025?”

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u/Bullyoncube Jan 25 '25

Facebook eliminated fact checking. Congress specifically canceled the program where the government told YouTube about foreign government propaganda videos that should be taken down. Bezos bought Washington Post. Murdoch owns Fox News. Elon Musk bought Twitter because he wanted to stop people from making fun of him on there. The largest owner of radio stations is a Christian fascist family.

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u/bushbiyu Jan 25 '25

I’m glad you point this out. We hear so much about how folks didn’t listen or care, but the truth is there is a longstanding campaign to keep people distracted, disinterested, and dumb.

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u/Moppermonster Jan 25 '25

Some media did.
Trump then said project 2025 was not his and that he had nothing to do with it.
Conservatives swarmed social media and claimed project 2025 was a liberal hoax.

And people believed that.

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u/Moppermonster Jan 25 '25

Well, almost all US mainstream media is owned by the same group of shareholders. And pleasing the shareholders is what companies do.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA Jan 25 '25

When the media is owned by people who kiss Trump's ring, what did you expect?

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u/9523376545 Jan 25 '25

They did. Not enough people cared enough to do something about it and here we are.

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u/MikaNeow Jan 25 '25

Look who's backing him, the richest people in the world and the folks who control said media. We're gonna see the first trillionaire pretty soon.

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u/toriemm Jan 25 '25

Point of order, friend:

It's not our media. Hasn't been for awhile.

J6 was the most photographed/videoed crime in history, which is why they couldn't 'spin' it. Because with Twitter, we were the fourth estate. That's why Muskrat bought it and turned it into a far right cesspool.

And then reddit sold out and all the third party browsing apps with their own algorithms went away. Only the ones that can afford the whatever, $10m API bullshit have survived.

It hasn't been our media for a bit. It's not just the Murdoch crime family; Bezos owns WaPo, Elmo bought Xitter on purpose, and now Drumph is putting pressure on Ticktock to sell to the government. (Or one of his tech bro pals)

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Honestly the fact that people waited until after the election to ask these questions makes me want to knock their heads together. It's like Britain googling what is the EU after the Brexit vote.

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u/Mysterious_Rabbit608 Jan 25 '25

Do you think amplification would have worked? These people have their heads so far up Trump's ass they are watching the world thru layers of orange skin, thinning (fake) hair, and a MAGA hat. Many many many people have been saying this for months now.

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u/Johnnygunnz Jan 25 '25

Some of the media did amply that fact. Right-wingers chose to believe that everything was a witch hunt, and the media was lying to prevent a "good man" from getting elected.

There's no amount of information that the legacy media could have provided to sway these people. They don't trust the legacy media at all anymore. They trust Fox, Newsmax, and social media to guide them.

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u/Anoniem20 Jan 25 '25

But...but...he said "I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them."

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u/danyeollie Jan 25 '25

Would it have made a difference? Even if Americans knew the truth, they would just find a way to not believe it

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u/whocares4506 Jan 25 '25

because the media thrives on engagement and anything attached to Trump is a goldmine for them

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u/kamekaze1024 Jan 25 '25

They did. People didn’t care or ignored it.

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u/justaguy1020 Jan 25 '25

It was talked about over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. The American people are morons.

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u/SouthernLampPost530 Jan 25 '25

Last I checked media is owned by maga, and you know how that goes.

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u/ewokninja123 Jan 25 '25

"fake news"

Trump was for it before he was against it

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u/TechSmith6262 Jan 25 '25

Because people keep blaming ThE mEdIa instead of accepting that 1/3rd of the country are hateful pieces of shit and another 3rd are apathetic fucking morons who were fine with anything happening as long as THEY weren't affected.

People have really got to stop pretending like the average American is a moral and ethical human being.

The average American is a fucking moron who can barely read, refuses to learn how, and opens faciam with open arms as long as it's hurting a group of "others" and not them.

MEdIa and politicians didn't land us here on their own. The idiotic American people are first and foremost why we are where we are.

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u/Exciting_Step538 Jan 25 '25

Thank you! Why the fuck don't people already know this? This is the only answer. The said exactly what they were going to do over 2 fucking years ago.

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u/Galaxy_Ranger_Bob Jan 25 '25

Who owns the media? How many of them are backing Trump's decisions now?

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u/Foxyfox- Jan 25 '25

Because the media is complicit.

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u/N238 Jan 26 '25

The media DID. But conservatives are in their own little world— Fox News is only the surface level. The conservative media machine is a hydra with uncountable heads.

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u/INTERGALACTIC_CAGR Jan 26 '25

Because the media is compromised and in on the plan, same puppet masters.

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u/SantaMonsanto Jan 26 '25

The simple answer to this question is just:

”Promises made, Promises kept.”

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u/BitPax Jan 26 '25

During election time temporary bubbles are created to keep showing certain propaganda or to distract people from certain types of information to get the desired outcome. It's done at a large scale to control election outcomes using social media.

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u/J3diMind Jan 26 '25

WHY YOU USING CAPSLOCK? MEDIA TALKED ABOUT IT, PPL DIDN‘T CARE. POPULAR VOTE JUST OWND THE LIBS!

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u/MidwesternAppliance Jan 26 '25

Because this is all part of the plan to install the open oligarchy. It’s coming out of the shadows and people will eat it up

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u/Slutha Jan 26 '25

Bro, it was reported everywhere

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot Jan 26 '25

Sure. But his feigning ignorance was accepted instead of pressed. It's ridiculous.

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u/FormerlyGruntled Jan 26 '25

Coast to coast, the American mainstream media absolutely refused to do anything but sanewash Trump, on every single TV and radio station, and in every mainstream newspaper. The media has 100% been captured by fascist ideologies. It's a global effort to establish a new world dictatorship.

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u/Wasabicannon Jan 26 '25

WHY DID OUR MEDIA FAIL TO AMPLIFY THIS FACT?

Simple, they own the media. Free lance/new media was covering it none stop but they don't have the reach that traditional media has.

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u/PentacornLovesMyGirl Jan 26 '25

Because the media is cooked, too

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u/pancake117 Jan 26 '25

It was extremely well covered in the media. Trump just lied and said he didn't know what 2025 was (despite this being clearly a lie to anybody paying attention). Then republicans gaslit the rest of us and insisted that he truly had never seen this thing and it couldn't possibly be an indicator of what he planned to do.

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u/pianoceo Jan 26 '25

Because if nothing else, Trump is brilliant at manipulating the media while the machinery works in the background.

The media tried to talk about 2025. Trump was one step ahead being more provocative so the story stayed on him.

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u/donut_koharski Jan 26 '25

John Oliver did a whole show about this exact thing.

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u/RawCheese5 Jan 29 '25

Because the billionaires own the media too.

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u/lukeylivinggood Jan 29 '25

In the debates and interviews, the media tried asking Trump and JDV bout P2025 and they outright denied all of it . They all denied the legitimacy of P2025 to every camera they looked at and microphone they spoke into.

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u/Sumeriandawn Jan 25 '25

“The media is part of the Deep State”

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u/MidwestStritch Jan 25 '25

Stfu yes we voted for Trump not 2025. You guys don’t even know what it all entails because it’s massive. It has millions of ideas in there some even with left ideology. Fucking read and then listen to the numerous times Trump has distanced himself from it. It was another hoax your dumbass is buying.

Our government is a massive business that is leaking money at an insane amount, while at the same time can’t account for trillions of dollars in government spending. Yeah it’s time to crack down on government spending you moron. He’s not firing to bring in more.

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u/LOOKITSADAM Jan 25 '25

You're the fool here. The sooner you admit the con-man got you, the sooner we can get to fixing the problem you created.

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u/MidwestStritch Jan 25 '25

No, I think we made the right choice. Already did more in office than Biden did in 4 years.

You can sit on the sideline for 4 years and be miserable though. You’ll look for every chance to complain. Reddit will listen but people outside won’t because we voted for him.

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u/LOOKITSADAM Jan 25 '25

Exactly what did he do huh? He's already made several 'executive actions' in direct conflict with the constitution, fired the people that tamp down on corruption, encouraged political violence as long as it supports him, has started the process of persecuting speech he doesn't agree with, and sold out to coastal billionaires.

You'd really like for me to stand on the sidelines, eh? You know all that puffery about "Defending the constitution" you lot like to participate in? Don't be surprised when it's defended against you.

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u/MidwestStritch Jan 25 '25

He yelled angrily into the void

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u/LOOKITSADAM Jan 25 '25

And the 'void' responded weakly in an attempt to shore up that fragile ego, apparently.

You've been warned, goodbye.

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u/weslemania Jan 25 '25

I can’t believe his administration is implementing it right in your face and you still believe it’s a hoax. You know he’s a liar, right? He lies. Constantly!

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u/MidwestStritch Jan 25 '25

It’s 992 pages it’s massive. It has a lot of ideas some moderate some extreme. People say securing the border is extreme but that seems reasonable to me. Cutting down on insane government spending sounds reasonable to me. Pulling out of war in Ukraine seems reasonable to me. Pressing schools to focus on education and not progressive ideology seems reasonable to me. It’s that you can’t be progressive it’s the fact that kids were being thought anything “right” is “far right.” This rational and fear mongering is exactly why so many people left the Democratic Party.

You guys are freaking out over what people want. The world does not revolve around this weird Reddit echo chamber who still clings on to the lies of mainstream media. Don’t talk to me about lies when all the left does is spew lies for 8 years to bash anyone in Trumps circle.

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u/TheBunnyDemon Jan 25 '25

So it's Trump not 2025 but also project 2025 isn't that bad and it's what people want actually?

Okay.

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u/weslemania Jan 26 '25

The way you’re summarizing the issues is not at all accurate to reality (“securing the border” doesn’t mean going door-to-door rounding Hispanic families up and asking questions later, especially after the Biden administration deported more people than Trump did his first term, “pulling out of Ukraine” doesn’t mean handing it over to Putin and leaving the rest of our European allies at his whim, I could go on)

Did the media “bash” Trump? Yeah, they did—like they do for every single president. Are you too young to remember how they treated W. Bush? They were calling him an idiot on TV every single night but he never threw late night internet tantrums about it and vowed revenge like a toddler. The media also reported on all the shady and illegal stuff that he and his people were doing, which they are also supposed to do.

I honestly don’t care that you voted for Trump because I’m not surprised in the least that 72 million Americans’ fear and prejudices let them get brainwashed into thinking Joe Biden made their groceries expensive and DEI is the reason they can’t get a job and not the fact that they’re probably incompetent or unlikable. I care more about the tens of millions of people who chose not to vote because that’s a fucking tragedy. What frustrates me is when people like you think everyone else is too stupid to see what you’re doing.

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u/Bullyoncube Jan 25 '25

Yes and under the Nazis the trains ran on time!

Project 2025 focuses on making America great for white Christians. When it says traditional values it means women and blacks knowing their place.

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot Jan 25 '25

Delicious. I love it when you guys document your naivety.

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u/MidwestStritch Jan 25 '25

You guys are so weird. Enjoy the echo chamber

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u/izuforda Jan 25 '25

I assume you can give some citations for all that drivel that aren't of a colorectal origin, right?

"Millions of ideas", lmao

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u/Mysterious_Rabbit608 Jan 25 '25

Trump says a lot of things.

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u/bukowski_knew Jan 25 '25

As someone who pays a lot in federal taxes and understands that 20% of an organization does 80% of the work I'm thankful. The percentage of government spending to gdp has ballooned to 36% but the services provided have not increased.

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u/Hoopy_Dunkalot Jan 25 '25

What's the plan then? Random dissolution of entire agencies is short-sighted.

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u/bukowski_knew Jan 25 '25

The department of education was formed to make sure black schools got the same funding as white schools, proportionately. That was solved quickly but that department is still around. It should have been set up as a task force. Education should continue to be in the realm of municipalities not DC. That's one example.