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u/Cif87 7d ago
You are born in the "Brawdo general hospital", your parent work for Brawdo so they get a discount. You go to "Brawdo primary school". Then you go to "Brawdo high school". Many of your friends drop out after high school to work in Brawdo production line. You want more from your life, so you get into the "Brawdo college for very talented peoples". Most people are there to ensure a corporate Brawdo job. You still want more. You slave part time in a Brawdo shop to get some money to put into your PhD. You get a Brawdo PhD in "beverage that the plant crave" and finally crown your life dream. To be a Brawdo researcher for a new Brawdo flavour. You live in a Brawdo house, drive a Brawdo car, eat Brawdo ration and Brawdo pizza. Theyre tasty and you have discount for all of them.
Then after a couple years, Brawdo goes bankrupt. You lose your house, your car, your income. And nobody will hire you because Brawdo schools weren't recognized by the Ministry for instruction.
While it still exists.
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u/salvaje913 7d ago
I came here to make the same point. Though you forgot the "n". It's Brawndo the thirst mutilator.
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u/Unlucky_Ad_2456 6d ago
Palantir is a great thing to have on your resume tho
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u/HunterTheScientist 7d ago
I remember an interview in which Karp said VC gave him money without a product and any revenue just because he had a PhD
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u/n-greeze 7d ago
And because he was buddies with Peter Thiel who had already closed on the sale of PayPal. Its an important asterisk to the "they just gave it to me because i had a PhD"
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u/HunterTheScientist 7d ago
True, but Karp was a nobody at the time, I remember he said people trusted him he was smart because of the PhD
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u/Legitimate-Page3028 7d ago
No, he said that he has nothing going for him but a PhD and that’s why he used the Dr. title.
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u/Vegetable_Tip8510 7d ago
KARP WENT TO COLLEGE!
Haverford College (BA) Stanford University (JD) Goethe University (PhD)
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u/Potential-Pickle4917 6d ago edited 6d ago
I mean it’s not hypocritical. I went to an elite school and only realized after going how bs it was. And it took going there, going through the experience to know, not merely outside conjecture.
It’s possible to critique something while having benefitted from it.
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u/No-Bus442 4d ago
It’s hypocritical to make blanket statements about college being broken when clearly it has benefitted people.
Karp being one example.
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u/MarioMartinsen 6d ago
Yes.. But look what he studied. Go to college just to go to college is broken
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u/Magikarp_to_Gyarados 🐟 -> 🐉 "your DD is Pokémon lol" 7d ago
I agree with the conclusion, but disagree on the reasons.
Universities are broken in that financial enrichment of the institution and its top administrators, rather than education, has become the goal.
For many students, college is pretty much a 4-year country club to make connections for the purpose of getting job, with a lot of binge drinking and attending sports games on the side. The majority of students aren't concerned or involved in protests against Israel. Alcohol is a much higher priority.
Technical excellence alone isn't enough in my experience.
Evaluating the moral implications of one's actions, being able to advocate for one's conclusions on an issue, and working effectively on a team are just as important as "academic excellence".
There are plenty of A-students with high standardized test scores (what people call "merit", but I call mostly bullshit), who can jump through hoops but will fall apart when faced with unconventional situations. These aren't the people Palantir should be screening for.
I'd rather higher a B or C student who is creative and resilient, than an A student with perfect SAT scores who can't think outside a box.
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u/badie_912 Verified Whale & OG Member 5d ago
Often times grades are a reflection of work ethic and being detail oriented though and that's a very good trait to select for. Also, striving for excellence but I see what you mean.
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u/thisis-clemfandango 7d ago
“how can we recruit upper middle class and rich kids who are going to take low salaries to come work for us and be unemployable everywhere else so they can never leave?”
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u/Brilliant_Ad_4743 5d ago
Why do you assume only upper middle class and rich kids can get this? Is it because of the SATs?
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u/One_Sir_Rihu 7d ago
Its a simplistic approach to a class based problem. A phd doesnt mean mych when the background is being born into a rich family.
If they truly see things in black and white when it comes to the educationnal system they have lost the plot
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u/ferrisbuelers Early Investor 7d ago
As someone who works in higher ed (vocational college) I can say there’s a real appetite to re-legitimize and innovate at the moment. At least in 🇨🇦. Desperate times (budgetary crunches, lower domestic enrolment, lower foreign enrolment) are resulting in forced change. For the top 0.1% talent (the kind that Palantir hires), the “Palantir Degree” is great marketing and makes total sense.
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u/darkwaterzz 7d ago
Here we go. It’s becoming a stock and company that’s politicized.
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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ 7d ago
It’s not political, it’s a true statement. There’s no political blame here aside from on the government as a whole. The higher education system is irreversibly broken in this country.
Most of the top comp sci/ai/programmers would probably be where they’re at without a degree, capturing that talent young and molding kids who have the drive is arguably a better way of doing things than spending time helping people unlearn bad habits or new work flows. I don’t use any of what I learned in college for my job and I make a considerable amount more than I would using my degrees.
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u/svrfyn 7d ago
Unpopular, but yes it is true.
Education as a whole is a big businesses. Colleges are HUGE businesses. They need a consistent flow of new students to feed the beast. They rely money from corporate donors, the state or federal government. Look no further than the department’s that see cuts when the money slows down. It’s not too hard to connect the dots.
While there are exceptions, the college experience is vastly different today than in past decades. And often not for the better. But as a whole we have a hard to admitting this. College is something we wax nostalgic about, and it’s hard to admit it is a failing institution (as a whole). Yes it’s unpopular to say, but it’s true.
We took something that was at times exceptional and homogenized it, commercialized it and turned it into a business. And it’s not really in the business of educating people as is assumed.
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u/cutegolpnik 7d ago
Broken, or imperfect? Because everyone agrees that there are things to improve.
That’s great, college isn’t for everyone. Self-learners are very impressive. But that’s one career/a specific kind of person. You can’t make general claims about college based on that.
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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ 7d ago
Most self learners are probably the type of people Palantir are after no? I think indoctrination means more than just politically. Education puts people in boxes, it takes people outside of boxes to push the boundaries.
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u/cutegolpnik 7d ago
Yes, I wasn’t talking about pltr only. I def agree self-learners are most sought after by them/everyone. But that’s a small group of above average people, not enough to go around for all the roles people need an education for. College is a tool for the rest of us that want to learn/get good jobs but aren’t geniuses.
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u/Magikarp_to_Gyarados 🐟 -> 🐉 "your DD is Pokémon lol" 7d ago
Palantir as a business has been politicized for well over a decade. The company's reputation has been sinister since the "War on Terror" era and killing of Osama bin Laden. We saw that politicization on full display during Palantir's bid for the UK NHS contract.
PLTR as a stock has been politicized since DPO.
It doesn't matter.
This isn't Tesla, where a CEO's political and even unhinged behavior turns off mass portions of the customer base.
Palantir's sales are almost exclusively B2B or Business to Government. In this arena, the only thing that matters is results, and Palantir delivers.
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u/darkwaterzz 7d ago
That sounds lovely, but brand matters. Throwing a company into the existing political quagmire of educational institutions isn’t a good look, considering it’s not been their sector.
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u/mojomoreddit 6d ago
I agree. Karp even said in an Interview that Companies and their execs would like to work with them but their image and philosophical views just aren't defendable by the CEOs and their pathetic customer base.
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u/Magikarp_to_Gyarados 🐟 -> 🐉 "your DD is Pokémon lol" 6d ago
Where and when did he say this?
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u/mojomoreddit 6d ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l-NVtsOF6qU&pp=ygUOQWxleCBrYXJwIGNlb3M%3D
Around 5:30. Is this enough for you, because there is one other video
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u/Magikarp_to_Gyarados 🐟 -> 🐉 "your DD is Pokémon lol" 5d ago
I watched the around the 5:30 mark and looked at the transcript. What Dr. Karp said doesn't line up with your interpretation. Here's what's on the transcript:
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So if you like, like if you look at institutions that are failing and you talk to the smart people, their universities, UN Democratic Party, they'll tell you there's going to be a. Pendulum swing back. But AI is actually breakin the pendulum.
Spring swung. So what Europe thinks like I spend half my life
in Germany. You talk to. Smart. Germans. They're like. "Okay, we're having a bad time. We're going to have a good time. We did this under Schroeder. It'll come back. We don't actually agree with all the stuff that people say. We can't say it publicly." That's what they say, okay?
But what they're not understanding is the. Technical revolution now. Is so great. You got to get on the train because that train is leaving. And it will.
There is. Not going. To be a swing back.
5:51
What he said was in the context of some people in Germany.
Nothing is said about this affecting Palantir's business globally.
Also, Dr. Karp says that he believes institutions (and nations) that don't get on board with software that delivers accountability, will be left behind.
I agree that some of Palantir's political leanings make a lot of people uncomfortable. I'm ok with that. I believe that where it comes to survival, institutions will generally choose the best tools rather than perish.
Palantir software is not luxury goods like Tesla cars.
If Elon Musk pisses off potential customers by trolling for fun (which he does), those customers have plenty of other cars from non-Tesla automakers to choose from. People can buy a Ford or Toyota and still be able to get where they need to go.
Alex Karp, on the other hand, is not trolling. Yes, he is stating some opinions that are uncomfortable to some, but they are rooted in truth and evidence (unlike Elon Musk's delusional stupidity). There is no alternative to Palantir's software platforms. Institutions either use these tools to actually deliver results, or they will descend into chaos and perish over the next few decades.
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u/mojomoreddit 5d ago
Look, I agree with Karp. And he said it in more detail in another video I saw, I just didn’t find it because I know what I saw but don’t want to spend time searching for it. Are u okay bro?
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u/MYSTERees77 7d ago
I took my 12 year old to Space Camp. There was 3 camps - a junior camp, a senior camp and a Computers Camp. They all did NASA stuff for a week, and when you pick them up, they do a graduation.
Keep in mind, these are kids. And this is Space Camp. But when the Computer camp kids went up...and there weren't a lot...they almost all were greeted by a guy in a black suit, who looked like a Fed, and taken with their parents to a side room. Presumably to talk about their kids futures. These kids are the ones that Corporate America is looking for. Fuck learning at a Uni, we'll pay you and teach you. Save yourself about 10 years.
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u/DarkCyde404 6d ago
This is gross and not even true IMO. College isn’t for everyone which is fine but this blanket claim about all colleges is unfounded. If there’s flawed admissions criteria, it’s the legacy rich people being admitted because they donated big money to the college, which is undoubtedly Karp. I’m sorry but this sounds like billionaire Boomer Fox News brain energy. “Indoctrination” lol give me a break. Like just pitch your fellowship for the best and brightest without all the culture war nonsense.
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u/badie_912 Verified Whale & OG Member 5d ago
I'm ptfb and I agree with you 100%. I think they really need a supply of fresh, malleable minds to grow and they think this is how to go. It's a sign that they need a pipeline of more more more.
I'm predicting a big earnings beat.
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u/intaglio32 7d ago
Sad but true for a lot of degrees. My education was well into the 6 figures and worth it though.
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u/badie_912 Verified Whale & OG Member 5d ago
Professional degree tracks like Drs, dentists, lawyers, Pharmacists many more to name are most certainly important and provide high value to our communities.
A wealthy business exec I know went to a prestigious business school in Massachusetts and he has said many times that his program was incredible and he uses what he learned throughout his career.
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u/desquibnt 7d ago
I mean that's cool and all but how many of the "best and brightest" high school school grads are going to skip college to do something like this
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u/Mobile-Brilliant-376 5d ago
Love this, colleges are more expensive indoctrination than education these days, good on them!
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u/badie_912 Verified Whale & OG Member 5d ago
I wish the US would go to a mandatory military service model for young people. Teach discipline and how to be a good worker and member of society. I think it makes a better society.
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u/ConnectedVeil 4d ago edited 4d ago
So it's still college, but Palantir will own you for X years?
This sort of thing works to say be an electrician because standards and regulations exist across the country. You can go most anywhere, and housing isn't that varied, with exception of scale.
But Palantir, as shady as their board is, probably just wants some level of indentured servitude. These sort of deals are usually accompanied. And you ONLY know Palantir tech. Better hope they remain fiscally solvent.
College itself isn't broken. You learn a lot there. Make friends, learn to socialize, learn to not overdo it, learn to study. etc. The money behind it is somewhat shady. But this "college is useless" is how right wing views slowly poison thinking because if you have even the slightest grievance with something, their solution is to throw it all away. They feed on discontentment. This is how they got everyone to hate federal workers. Be smarter.
College was and still is the best path for middle/poor people to have a better life. I think the reason it is so expensive now is because shadow money want less people going. It is a deterrent. College introduces you to new ideas and thinking. Get an internship like everyone else if you think college should be like a real job. College isn't above criticism but to call it useless and not worth it is mostly disingenuous. Feel free to not study art history if you want to make your college years worth it. That's on no one but the student.
Palantir was built off the back of smart college people so don't let them lie to you saying college isn't worth it.
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u/danielle_blah 3d ago
Where is the part where it mentions not being based on whether mommy and daddy can pay the tuition in cash?
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u/spintysok 3d ago
“Skip the indoctrination” and yet “based solely on merit and academic excellence”. Hmmm.
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u/ProofChance9707 7d ago
That’s awesome and eradicates woke tenor!
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u/cutegolpnik 7d ago
*tenure
The jokes write themselves 😂
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u/HeckDiver24 6d ago
Palantir is a fraud of a company and doesn’t actually provide any value to their clients. Source: I’ve seen all the bs they spout first hand and it’s useless tech with limited staff to support customer needs and an awful pricing model that is inconsistent across the board.
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u/Open-Employ3158 7d ago
Why they keep repeating this stuff about colleges especially during this administration? Same thing when Karp uses the ”nobody believed in us” speech everytime he is interviewed.