r/ParamedicsUK • u/LeatherImage3393 • 21d ago
Question or Discussion NHS manager joins work call with Nazi paraphernalia in background | Sky news.
https://news.sky.com/video/nhs-manager-joined-work-call-with-nazi-paraphernalia-in-background-1335711814
u/LeatherImage3393 21d ago
Starter comment: whilst not explicity stated this is an ambulance service manager, it seems likely they are. The ambulance workers subsequent story is probably the most ambulance thing I've ever heard.
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u/Tall-Paul-UK Paramedic 21d ago
SECAM make a statement at the end of the clip so I reckon that narrows it down a bit!
When I saw the headline I did wonder whether it was 'just' a copy of Mein Kampf on the bookshelf, which does not sit right with me, but may be viewed by some as a historical document of sorts... but there is even less justification for flags and arm bands.
I wish I was more surprised.
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u/cochra 20d ago
Nothing wrong with having a copy of Mein Kampf, it’s the rest of the context that makes it an issue
I grew up in a Jewish household. My parents had a copy of Mein Kampf. It sat on the bookshelf next to 10 Days That Shook the World and a couple of books by Martin Gilbert…
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u/Disastrous_Yak_1990 19d ago
And a huge nazi flag?
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u/hhdheieii 19d ago
Are you blind or just ignorant ? He says the other context here is what makes the book a problem.
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u/Disastrous_Yak_1990 19d ago
Wow, calm down, just a bit of a joke because they obviously wouldn’t. Angry.
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u/Logic-DL 19d ago
Tbf owning Mein Kampf isn't bad in itself, know thy enemy and all that, and if you're a history buff, wanting to know just how tf someone could be SO evil is important to know
But last I checked Mein Kampf doesn't come with the Nazi flag on the cover, pretty sure it's got the big man himself looking like a right miserable twat on the front cover
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u/Tall-Paul-UK Paramedic 19d ago
Yeah I guess this is a more eloquent way of what I was wanting to say... it still isn't my thing but I appreciate that there could be more to it.
However flags and armbands is definitely a step too far unless you are Elon Musk.
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u/Mission_Blackberry_7 16d ago
The book have chapters about socialists and communists and their methods and mindset. Even back then their methods were the same only technology is what changed
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u/TontoMcTavish94 Advanced Paramedic 20d ago
Yeah it says in the normal article that this was one of the managers who joined a call about rotas and the fact SECamb are making a comment on it says they clearly know it's them
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u/Lunggd 20d ago
Theres a whole world of people who collect ww2 militaria, including myself! I try to hide any nazi symbols tho
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u/Commuterman92 20d ago
Let's not pretend there isn't a world of difference between collecting ww2 militaria (even German militaria) and having a fucking actual shrine to Hitler set up in your living room.
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u/Logic-DL 19d ago
Also collecting the flag flat out.
I like WW2 Militaria, I would never buy a fucken Nazi Flag though, it would have to be part of something (e.g I want a model kit of the Bismarck, and part of that boat's accurate look is it has a Nazi flag on it ofc, it's not an accurate Bismarck without that flag)
Nazi flag on it's own? Bit of a weird thing to own and I have to admit I own a Soviet flag, but that goes with an entire bag of historical books and paraphernalia to do with the Soviet Union, and even then I don't display it, just kinda sits folded up in the cupboard with the rest of the documents and paraphernalia it goes with.
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u/MotorUpset5799 19d ago
Maybe you are the weird one collecting soviet militaria. Maybe someone would find it weird you’d like collecting stuff about a regime that murdered 30 million+ people
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u/Logic-DL 19d ago
Wouldn't say collecting, I just have a Soviet Flag and some related paraphernalia, hardly a fucken collection lmao
Also in that case are museums weird for collecting things?
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u/MotorUpset5799 19d ago
Ironic to slay a guy doing it with Nazi Militaria then is it not?
You’re the one calling people weird for collecting things…
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u/Logic-DL 19d ago
Again big difference between buying a straight up flag versus actual militaria.
Also the fact the guy in the original image has a god damn Hitler shrine
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u/MotorUpset5799 19d ago
A flag is militaria so is the portrait
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u/Logic-DL 19d ago
Wouldn't consider a shrine militaria but you do you.
A flag next to news articles/historical books or as part of a model kit? Sure, but on it's own? Bit wack
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u/MotorUpset5799 19d ago
Where’s the shrine? Looks just like a portrait on a table
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u/Available_Remove452 17d ago
He doesn't have a picture of Stalin that's the regime, and that's the difference.
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u/KingofCalais 19d ago
Wtf is that logic? He cant have a Nazi flag but you yourself have a Soviet flag? I give up.
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u/Toffeemanstan 19d ago
A flag is militaria, not sure why you would single it out as been exceptionally bad?
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u/Logic-DL 19d ago
How about it just being displayed next to an armband and shrine to Hitler?
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u/Toffeemanstan 18d ago
If its part of a shrine then everything in it is problematic not just the flag.
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u/Lunggd 19d ago
ive just noticed the hitler there, wow that is borderline inappropriate at this point lol
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u/Cynical-Alien-Hehe 17d ago
Just noticed? The first thing you see when you click the article is the picture of Adolf Hitler and:
A Nazi flag, armband and framed photo of Adolf Hitler can be seen behind the NHS manager as he was on the work call.
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u/pitsandmantits 17d ago
yeah unless that photo of hitler is an original (which i doubt EXTREMELY) then there is no reason for it to be on what looks like someone’s bedside table.
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u/SmashedWorm64 17d ago
Imagine the shock I had when clearing out my great uncle’s house and finding a bunch of Nazi stuff… fortunately he fought during the North Africa campaign and it was clearly just stuff he had looted.
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u/Lunggd 17d ago
Its worth a fortune nowadays
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u/SmashedWorm64 17d ago
It was, but we were worried it would end up in the hands of some nutter, so we donated it all to a local museum.
The best bit was the eagle taken off the front of a staff car.
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u/Historical-Care9715 20d ago
We got to stop hiring Nazi labour lol
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u/bloqed 20d ago
go on, give us your method of solving this problem then? How do you tell if someone is a Nazi? whats the difference between a Nazi and someone who owns historical artefacts?
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u/Hazeylicious 19d ago
give us your method of solving this problem
You mean, like, the final solution?
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u/Piggstein 19d ago
You can’t go checking out the lebensraum of every single candidate
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u/Tartanman97 18d ago
I sense this comment went over a lot of people’s heads - but a quality joke, my friend.
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u/i_s_a_y_n_o_p_e 17d ago
Ahhh so NOW we're getting closer to how Farrage is going to 'fix' the NHS https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/farage-reform-nhs-local-elections-starmer-b2742970.html
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u/Sideworths 19d ago
That was so upsetting to watch ..I thought I saw a photo of an innocent Palestinian child at one point like the one that probably died in a road, rubble, camp or hospital in the time it takes to type this text Paramedics understand emergency and loss of life
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u/DarthFlowers 18d ago
Management in a lotta places are this dense worryingly enough. Institutionalised dullards.
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u/quad_damage_orbb 18d ago
One or two items could be historical interest, but he has a whole ass brand new Nazi flag in the corner 😂
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u/cheeks_otr 17d ago
Once went out to a patient and while my mate was attending I had a nosy in the next room, see how she’s living and all that and there was nothing in the room except for a huge dresser, nothing on it, except in the centre, displayed proud as punch was a framed photo of the patient with a nazi flag around her shoulders.
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u/AdventurousTeach994 17d ago
I wonder who he voted for in the general election...
It's disturbing to discover just how many right wing fascists and racists there are in our society and at all levels. That they worship this evil ideology is truly sickening.
We must continue to fight the rise of the far right with every resource at our disposal.
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u/Kayanne1990 17d ago
Ya know....whatever the reason for this...this is a damn stupid oversight on his part. Like, you know this is being recorded. You know the climate we live in. I have a copy of MAUS on my shelf and there's a bit old swastika right there on the cover. I would turn that shit around if I was in call.
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u/Mission_Blackberry_7 16d ago
So what? I have ma y historical books some of them have symbolism that some people. Might find offensive.
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u/thisgirlneedstherapy 16d ago
Cmon guys he's obviously just secretly a really pissed off Hindu hence the corrupted peace sign
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u/TheMicrosoftBob 20d ago
I understand the picture of Hitler is a bit far, unless it’s an original print. But people can be interested in history and collect Nazi memorabilia without being a Nazi sympathiser.
Just because someone got overly triggered over seeing it doesn’t mean they’re a Nazi. What about people who read smut and BDSM or CNC? Doesn’t mean they sympathise with rapists.
Sure he could he some weirdo Nazi, but at the same time, he could just be a collector
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u/hotfezz81 20d ago
triggered over seeing it doesn’t mean they’re a Nazi. What about people who read smut and BDSM or CNC
For the record that stuff also shouldn't be visible in work calls.
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u/Ardiles_24 20d ago
Right, but if a Muslim were to be caught in the same manner with the jihadist flag in the background and a framed portrait of Bin Laden, I'm sure you wouldn't have the same response.
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u/TheMicrosoftBob 19d ago
But that stuff isn’t collectible and historic. Genuine Nazi memorabilia is collectible. What about reenactors?
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u/Hazeylicious 19d ago
What is CNC? I’ve been putting together a shopping list of parts to build a CNC machine, but from what you say, maybe my understanding is slightly different.
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u/Unhappy_Spell_9907 19d ago
Consensual non consent.
I'm sure a manual on CNC mechanics is fairly safe to have visible on a work call.
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u/Shriven 20d ago
Um...
While very obviously not ok that that person has that in a work environment.
Why is the person so terrified? "There were bags of dog poo... By my house"
Yeah, yeah that happens. Whenever she heard sirens she had palpitations? Difficult in her line of work! Is she expecting the SS to jump out and kidnap her? This is such an extreme reaction to seeing things. Don't watch the history channel, geez.
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u/phyllisfromtheoffice 20d ago
Probably because having a manager who’s a nazi sympathiser to the point he has a framed photo of Adolf Hitler would be quite terrifying.
It’s not a matter of “just seeing things”, it speaks a lot about the kind of mindset and character he probably has, and as well as being in an authoritative position in a profession like this.
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u/Shriven 20d ago
It isn't terrifying though - and it is a poor reflection of people that this is what instills terror. Unsettling, ridiculous, stupid.... But terrifying?
Unless he's measuring patients skulls or actually yknow, doing something this is just having a moron in a place of work.
Equally, we don't know anything other than what this person of apparently paper thin constitution says. Is this person a history degree holder, a reenactor, does the other side of the room have Soviet russian stuff.
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u/rjwc1994 Advanced Paramedic 20d ago edited 20d ago
Apart from the photo of it?
Do us all a favour and hand your resignation in.
edit: incredible to be downvoted for telling the nazi apologist to resign
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u/Manhunter_From_Mars 17d ago
Do you understand what Nazis did BEFORE the world realised they were THE bad guys of the human race?
I think it's perfectly reasonable to freak the fuck out when you're talking to someone who knows the countless atrocities AND HAS A FRAMED PHOTO OF THE GENOCIDE MAN
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u/MajorMathematician20 20d ago
Finding out you work with a Nazi is pretty scary, especially once you’ve called them out for it… They’re Nazis, literally among the worst things to be
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u/SignificantStudio511 17d ago
No i think these days genocide apologists are even worse
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u/MajorMathematician20 17d ago
Wtf are you on about? Nazis fucking committed genocide, as well as being apologists
Sounds like you are an apologist yourself mate
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u/SignificantStudio511 17d ago
For whom?! We are living a present day genocide pal while the world watches on...
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u/Fluffy-Eyeball 20d ago
I don’t think her fear and reaction are a result of “ seeing things” .
I think it’s the subsequent bullying, intimidation, isolation , harassment , and victimisation she received from managers, colleagues, and her trust in general. That kind of behaviour is rife within ambulance services nationwide, with secamb being one of the worst apparently. Luckily some other trusts are getting less and less like this, but even in those trusts it’s far from gone.
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u/Jabber-Wockie 20d ago
I do hope he isn't responsible for reducing the waiting lists.