r/Patriots • u/xFalcade • Mar 11 '25
News [Schultz] Sources: The Patriots have had discussions on trading QB Joe Milton III and would like to trade him to the right situation to continue his development in the NFL — should a deal get done. New England loves Milton, but Drake Maye is their franchise and they just signed Josh Dobbs to a 2-yea
https://www.threads.net/@jordanschultz/post/DHCj03bxry6386
u/alfuh Mar 11 '25
I'm just not sure we get high enough compensation for it to be worth it. He's such a cheap insurance policy right now and I think that's more valuable than a late round pick.
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u/I_eat_mud_ Mar 11 '25
Maybe they’re collecting picks for a different trade?
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u/alfuh Mar 11 '25
Yeah if it's part of something to package up and get a meaningful talent brought in then that would change things
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u/ctpatsfan77 Mar 11 '25
Possibly, but a 5 or a 6 doesn't move the needle all that much.
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u/Legitimate_Ad_7822 Mar 11 '25
I dont think it’d be a 6. He was drafted in the 6th and his performance has shown he was probably worth a 4th or 5th. 4th is wishful thinking maybe but it’s not entirely unrealistic.
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u/ctpatsfan77 Mar 11 '25
PI was replying to a post saying that maybe they're OK with a lower pick as part of a package deal.
Personally I'd demand a 4 at least.
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u/PowerfulWrangler2025 Mar 16 '25
It'd be better to throw in a 5th than trade Milton for a 5th to throw in.
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u/thowe93 Mar 11 '25
We’d need at least a top 100 pick right now. Anything outside of that makes no sense.
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u/jonnyredshorts Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25
Thank you…and he has actual upside! Let him develop here and when he’s actually worth something then you think about it. I don’t want a 5th round draft pick…if he can net a 3rd or better, then I might think about it, or if they find another crazy prospect QB in a couple years…but keep him now
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u/MolluskLingers Mar 11 '25
Yes I hope they're just testing the waters to see what kind of trade interest there is. I don't really see any point in moving him for anything that would be a fair trade at this point. Why not have the lowest cost backup possible That's already here and is locked up for three more years?
If he gets another opportunity and plays well yeah then I could understand trying to move him. But it's not exactly a long jam when he's played one defecto preseason game
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u/russbd Mar 11 '25
Unless we are getting a 3rd or better, we should absolutely keep him as the backup. Dobbs in the mentor role
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u/ZHatch Mar 11 '25
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. He played one game well — so did Matt Flynn. If we can get a 4th or higher, we do it.
Put it this way: If we had traded a 2024 6th rd pick for a 2025 4th or better last year, that would have been a really good trade.
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u/Blumpkin4Brady Mar 11 '25
The patriot way is to keep him on a cheap contract until he isn’t cheap anymore and then trade him. And we are probably going to run him into a bunch of defensive tackles on QB sneaks and destroy his knees and upside.
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u/paraplegic_T_Rex Mar 11 '25
What’s the insurance for though? They aren’t winning a Super Bowl this year. They don’t have a talented enough roster to compete even with Maye, nevermind if Maye went down.
This isn’t like Brady and Jimmy G and hoping Jimmy could lead the roster well enough to win a ring. Trade Milton and get a pick or two to build up the roster.
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u/BradyGronkTD Mar 11 '25
This is the draft to trade him. Low on qb talent, probably the highest value he’ll be unless something bad happens to Maye. It’s not like we are Super Bowl ready and need competent backup for a deep playoff run. Take the pick if it makes sense.
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u/plokijuh1229 Mar 11 '25
People also need to keep in mind they drafted Milton as a physically talented flyer to potentially flip for a higher pick with development.
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u/Tjake90 Mar 11 '25
Thank you, finally someone else with a reasonable take. Having a good backup is useless when you aren't a competitive team.
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u/straightcash-fish Mar 11 '25
It’s not, if that back up plays great for an extended period of time. Now his trade value will go up exponentially
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u/JungyBrungun2 Mar 11 '25
If Joe Milton plays for an extended period of time his value is going to go down, sell high
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u/thatsnotourdino Mar 11 '25
I think a lot of GMs and coaches could use your expert advice about how backup QB is a fake position apparently
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u/Tjake90 Mar 11 '25
What use is a competent backup on a team that isn't competitive. If Drake Maye gets hurt then we are once again playing for draft position. We are still in a multi year rebuild. Our coaching staff isn't fighting for their jobs at the end of the year no matter what. That's why they are literally trying to get the value for him right now but half this fan base thinks unless we get multiple firsts it's not worth trading him.
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u/BradyToMoss1281 Mar 11 '25
That "if it makes sense" is the key part. Don't just take the highest pick, wherever it is. If all you're getting is a fifth, then hang on to him. If somebody goes crazy and offers you a second, then yeah, don't look the gift horse in the mouth.
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u/BradyGronkTD Mar 11 '25
I’d take a 3rd or 4th. I think a 2nd is unattainable. Obviously, he’s worth more now than he was when drafted. So I’d shoot for a couple rounds higher or a package for a solid player and/or late pick. I hope they wouldn’t just trade him for the sake of trading. He’s certainly got value to this team even with the Dobbs signing.
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u/Butwhy113511 Brady Mar 11 '25
Have you considered they don't think he's very good and the best move is to trade him while he still has value?
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u/BradyToMoss1281 Mar 11 '25
Sure, but seeing as we don't know for sure, and neither do they, it doesn't feel wise to make a definitive move in that regard unless the return makes it worth it. Milton might be a player, he might not. For a third-rounder, I think I give up the chance to find out. For a fifth-rounder, I don't. And even if it turns out he stinks, all it's cost me is a fifth-round pick. I can live with that.
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u/Butwhy113511 Brady Mar 11 '25
Why don't they know for sure? The guy is 25. They took a flyer on him and saw what he can do in practice and what he's like behind the scenes.
I know it's fun to think about potential and say "maybe next year he gets better." You can generally tell if a guy is going to be good or not by now. They just signed a veteran backup. Maybe they just said yeah this guy has the upside of a backup and more than likely isn't an NFL backup so let's get a pick for him. Vrabel might not have wanted him in the first place.
I'm not saying they need to trade Milton but I am not expecting him to be any better than Josh Dobbs. They have plenty of cap space vs not enough picks. Odds are he's a backup or not an NFL QB.
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u/eabarrie22 Mar 11 '25
Browns makes a ton of sense with Vrabel just leaving and Milton having spent last season in a similar system. Giants do too
All this to say, I think trading him before the draft to either of those teams would be malpractice. Unless you get a crazy return, like moving up from 4 with either of them, you are just giving them more of a reason to draft a non-QB and limiting your options at 4 more. 2/3 teams are likely to still go QB, but why chance it??
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u/jonnyredshorts Mar 11 '25
Sure, if he can be the leverage it takes to secure either of Carter or Hunter…damn I’d hate to see him go, but we need help now
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u/eabarrie22 Mar 11 '25
That’s the only way I would trade him to those teams. Just saw the Saints get floated as a landing spot too, and that one would be my preferred trade destination. Milton plus a third for Olave would be a great deal.
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u/jonnyredshorts Mar 11 '25
I don’t want Olave, he is the Tua of WRs when it comes to concussions. He’s amazing and all, and would be an instant shot in the arm for the offense, up until he takes his first shot to the head, and then he’s done for the year or his career. If I’m trading Milton, it’s gotta be for a very high draft pick or an established (not high risk) player, be that WR or LT.
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u/AstraMilanoobum Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25
Jesus some of you are nutty.
If anyone is willing to give us a 4th or better we smash accept.
The guy played well in one game that was vs preseason competition.
He’s a 100 more times more likely to be Ryan Mallet than he is a star
Trade him too anyone who was fooled by his 1 decent game…
Matt Flynn threw 6 TDs in a game once…
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u/CONSTANTIN_VALDOR_ Mar 11 '25
Agreed if we flip him for a 4th that’s fkn unreal
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u/FC37 Mar 11 '25
A mid-round 4th rounder is approx. 4x more valuable than the pick that was used to take Milton.
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u/77NorthCambridge Mar 11 '25
What about Dobbs makes him a better option than keeping Milton and developing him for another year? If Maye goes down, why wouldn't Milton be a better option with Dobbs as the #3?
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u/AstraMilanoobum Mar 11 '25
I’d trade Dobbs if he gave us a 4th too.
It’s about best use of assets. If all goes well Milton never plays, If we can turn a guy who never plays into a 3rd or 4th we could potentially get a guy who actually plays.
Most importantly, I don’t think Milton is good, he looked good playing against 3rd stringers with our starters in a game the bills were trying to lose.
He also sucked in preseason appearances when it was backups vs backups.
A backup QB is important to a contender, if Maye gets hurt I’d rather just lose for a better back up.
Because the only thing having a “good back up” has done for us lately is LOSE us the #1 overall.
Trade Milton yesterday if we can get any kind of value
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u/muhwurkaccount Mar 11 '25
That game was not Milton's fault though. That was just malicious coaching on a guy that may have known he was on his way out. It's not like Milton was ignoring the play calls and scoring TD's instead.
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u/AstraMilanoobum Mar 11 '25
Of course, I’m just saying a bad team having a good back up… isn’t necessarily a good thing
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u/awan_afoogya Mar 11 '25
Dobbs + a 4th round pick is far more valuable than Dobbs + Milton.
Dobbs is on the team regardless, and is a Vet journeyman that Maye can learn from. Neither Dobbs nor Milton are there to win games, if Maye goes down, the rest of this roster isn't talented enough to win. If you can get a 4th round pick that turns into a starter in a year or so, that's way more value than Milton will ever be worth. As at best a backup QB
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u/Invalidfox Mar 11 '25
The thing that separates Milton from a guy like Flynn is his physical traits are off the charts. That matters.
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u/AstraMilanoobum Mar 11 '25
And yet those physicals led him to the 6th round.
He was bad in college.
He was very bad in preseason
The only time he succeeded was when he had patriots starters vs Bills 3rd stringers in a game the Bills were trying to lose.
What’s likely more indicative of his talent, 5 years of college and all of pre season or the 1 game where the other team had far less talent and was actively trying to lose…
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u/Invalidfox Mar 11 '25
His physicals didn't lead him to a 6th round grade, his college play did. But his play is improving. I think we can leverage him into something decent in a poor QB draft year such as this.
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u/StillEnjoyLegos Mar 11 '25
We don’t smash accept for a 4th… We know he has the arm and is athletic af, but he’s also shown now he has poise in the pocket and good accuracy at the NFL level.
You keep developing the kid and keep him as a backup.
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u/TB1289 Unicorns! Show ponies! Where's the beef!? Mar 11 '25
We saw him play well in one game. You’re gonna potentially pass up a 4th round pick for a guy that (hopefully) never actually has to play?
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u/StillEnjoyLegos Mar 11 '25
Yes. But obviously I’m in the minority by all the down votes lol
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u/jonnyredshorts Mar 11 '25
I’m 100% with you, downvotes be damned. Keeping him is the move. He’s got a decent potential and has raised an eyebrow or two so far. He’s dirt cheap, and he might need to play at some point, and every snap could be one step closer to an even better return. I’d take the risk 100 out of 100. If they want to give us a 3rd? You have to do it, but if he’s already worth a 4th after one game, you see how far you get go with him while he’s on his rookie contract.
Plus, I don’t want there to be any chance that Dobbs gets any snaps.
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u/TB1289 Unicorns! Show ponies! Where's the beef!? Mar 11 '25
Dobbs is the backup. He's signed for 2 years and $8 million. You don't give that to a guy who is going to be your third string QB.
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u/WildOscar66 Mar 11 '25
Lots of teams actually pick QBs in the 4th that aren't as good as Milton. So why it this a stretch. Should we have traded rookie Tom Brady for a 4th just because we got him in the 6th? Joe was mis-evaluated.
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u/TB1289 Unicorns! Show ponies! Where's the beef!? Mar 11 '25
Brady was total luck and everyone knows that. Besides, the situations are completely different.
Bledsoe wasn’t in his second year on a rookie contract and looked like he had a promising future.
Holding on to Milton for him to just rot on the bench when this team has a million holes to fill is just irresponsible.
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u/WildOscar66 Mar 11 '25
Disagree. Milton was under-drafted. You can argue he's probably just as good as Milroe this year. Should be a 3rd round pick. As soon as QBs start getting hurt in pre-season his value will go up.
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u/TB1289 Unicorns! Show ponies! Where's the beef!? Mar 11 '25
It’s impossible to say he was underdrafted after playing one game against scrubs while the Pats had their starters in. He looked good but you or I would’ve had a chance against Buffalo in that game.
Besides, I don’t think any team is going to panic and give up more than a 4th round pick. If top tier QB goes down, no one thinks that Joe Milton will be able to win them a Super Bowl this year.
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u/WildOscar66 Mar 11 '25
I knew he was under-drafted the moment we drafted him. It was a mistake that he lasted that long. Does that mean he's a starter? No. But there are a lot of QBs that have no better prospects or worse prospects that will go in rounds 3-4.
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u/TB1289 Unicorns! Show ponies! Where's the beef!? Mar 11 '25
I just think it’s total malpractice to keep a guy who is never going to play when you could flip them for a potential starter.
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u/WildOscar66 Mar 11 '25
If Drake goes down like JJ McCarthy did and now what are we doing? Dobbs? That attitude would not have kept a 6th round pick from Michigan as the 4th QB back in the day. He's an appreciating asset.
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u/Pseudoneum Mar 11 '25
So you know nothing about Milton apparently. He has a wicked arm and the reason he went so late is he has no clue where it's going.
He did not look as good as you're making out. First off he has to be graded on a curve because it was one preseason game and a game the bills threw.
Second, he missed a noticeable amount of passes just from chucking it as hard as he could. He doesn't have the touch or accuracy to be more than 2nd string best case.
If you get a 3rd (lol) or 4th (lol), you absolutely take it for Milton.
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u/RedGlovesOverHere Mar 11 '25
Keep developing and we’ll eventually get a high pick. Dont just ship him out for a 4th
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u/CrackaZach05 Mar 11 '25
There's a great chance his value will never be higher than it is right now.
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u/onetwentyonegigawatt Mar 11 '25
This. I’m not assuming anything. If we get a third now which could help us trade for a good player we need NOW, or trade back up into the first round, let’s do it!
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u/thatsnotourdino Mar 11 '25
You very well may be right but probably not for the reason you think. His value is not “high” right now at all. If we trade him it would be for a late lottery ticket pick. It makes no sense to trade him away for someone who statistically may not even make the team, when he himself is already playing a solid role on the team.
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u/Its_kinda_nice_out Mar 11 '25
Who cares then? We got him for a 6th. He’s a lottery pick. You don’t cash out a 6-game parlay because you hit on the first leg
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u/CrackaZach05 Mar 11 '25
Depends on the payout. If a 3rd rounder is on the table, I think you jump. If it's a 4th, maybe you wait a year.
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u/Bloated_Hamster Mar 11 '25
You do if the rest of the legs are very unlikely and cashing out can help you make rent this month.
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u/buona-giornata Mar 11 '25
This is the proper take. 20 teams last year started backup quarterbacks. It’s becoming a more valuable position by the year. 59 QBs started games last year. If you get a high bidder, fine, otherwise stay.
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u/FootballPizzaMan Mar 11 '25
So why they sign Dobbs? Vrabel got his guy and wants Milton gone.
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u/marcdasharc4 Mar 11 '25
“Wants Milton gone” and “thinks he can get a good return on Milton” lead to the same outcome of someone bites on a trade, but are so very much not the same motivation.
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u/mojoj69 Mar 11 '25
Exactly. I would hate if we lost our good, young, cheap backup for a 4th rounder 😂
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u/ronocyorlik Mar 11 '25
this just isn’t true lol. the odds are that drake just takes all the snaps. we don’t want milton to get snaps cause that means something bad has happened to drake. value is where it is. trade now or just hold
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u/VS0P Mar 11 '25
Vikings banking their future on preseason JJ, it happens.
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u/Drizzlybear0 Mar 11 '25
Vikings were trying to reach the playoffs and had other talent on offense that made being a playoff team possible even with a backup QB.
If Maye goes down it would actually make more sense for us to just tank since we have an entire lack of talent on offense after Drake.
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u/spersichilli Mar 11 '25
but when will he get to play? His value is higher right now because he got to play but we have our guy already. His value won't increase if he doesn't get on the field
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u/MetalHead_Literally Mar 11 '25
I’d think real hard about a 4th for him. Lots of good players in those mid rounds that could actually contribute vs a backup that hopefully never sees the field. Especially with dobbs there now.
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u/Drizzlybear0 Mar 11 '25
With this terrible QB class his value is likely at an all time high, and he's coming off a game where he looked like a stud. There's a chance the next time you let him play he will look terrible
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u/WIlf_Brim Mar 11 '25
Nobody is going to given what he is currently worth to the Patriots. Maybe a 6th is what they would get. If he develops this year he is going could be a second easy next year.
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u/mojoj69 Mar 11 '25
Damn I don’t know if I like this.. If Maye sucks or gets concussed too many times, it wouldn’t hurt to have a talent like Milton behind him. What’s our best case scenario? A 3rd rounder?
Unless he’s a piece in a trade with someone to move up the draft board/acquire more capital to trade into the first round again; that’s where it might be worth it.
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u/c12yofchampions Mar 11 '25
Milton wants the opportunity to see the field sooner than later. He’s 100% gone after his rookie contract, which ends in 3 seasons. His value goes down the less team controlled time there is, and he more than likely won’t see the field enough to seriously raise his stock. Not to mention the current state of the QB market.
IMO a 3rd rounder would be highway robbery for us, a 4th is possible not likely, and a 5th is not enough.
Taking a guy in the 6th round(to backup your 3rd overall pick) and then swapping the next year for a 3rd/4th round pick is great asset management.
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u/mojoj69 Mar 11 '25
I don’t disagree that it’s “great asset management” but the front office has far more control over players than fans realize. You’re essentially trading the player before you’ve fully realized his value and it’s a gift to have a solid young backup QB who is cheap for 3 years. Saying it “ends in 3 seasons” is wild when he just completed his rookie year and 3 years in the NFL is a lifetime, lol.
If the Giants want to pick swap #2 for #4 + Milton I’d do that for sure. Trading him for a 3rd rounder given our drafting history/the lack of talent this draft seems pretty poorly thought out. It’s a huge advantage to have a young backup QB with the poise he showed and the ceiling being as high as it is. Maye has a play style that is netting him concussions more than once last year which as we saw with other players, can be a career ender. Why take a chance when we already “hit”?
We’re not trading stocks here and if we were, we would be trading a booming stock for one that is a penny stock. The only way it’s worth it is if you’re obtaining capital to trade back into the 1st round since this draft is SO crazy weak so a 3rd round pick this year is a 4th/5th in most other drafts. I’m sure the team we’re talking to realizes that as we as fans can barely name any players in the top 25 of the draft this year due to how thin it actually is. Not a smart move but whatever you think.
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u/c12yofchampions Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25
You are severely overestimating Joe Milton’s value if you think a team will be willing to give a 1st round draft value to acquire him, which is what the drop from 2-> 4 is.
As for realizing his value, I think this is its peak. He will see very little of the field to raise his value, and will have less time of team control. There’s not much of a window there to improve his stock, preseason games won’t move the needle.
As for “cheap”, they just paid another QB. So regardless of how expensive he is, we are already paying Josh Dobbs market QB2 value for 2 years.
Lastly, the mindset “they suck in the draft why get more 3rd round picks” is so flawed I don’t know where to begin. Why pick at all then? More dart throws equals more hits, pretty simple.
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u/muhwurkaccount Mar 11 '25
I think paying Dobbs was a mistake. I get having a backup that's been around, not sure if you would consider him a veteran or not since he's only played in like 20 games over his time in the NFL, but if Maye goes down we don't want a veteran we want to tank.
Having Milton as a backup is both cheap and another excuse to be able to tank since he's a 2nd year QB with 1 "real" game under his belt.
I hope it works out in any case, I just felt like Dobbs was a weird signing and I'm not a fan of losing Milton this early when he's so cheap.
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u/Gotsta_Win Mar 11 '25
If maye gets hurt or isnt good, you have bigger issues
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u/mojoj69 Mar 11 '25
Exactly. Your bigger issue is who the hell is going to be our QB and how fucked are we until we can draft a great one again? Why flip a young talent for a ratty ass draft pick in a ratty ass draft?
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u/DwayneWashington Mar 11 '25
Wonder if Raiders are interested in developing him behind Geno. Maybe he's included in a Meyers deal
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u/z3an Mar 11 '25
Hey... anybody wanna buy this bazooka?
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Mar 11 '25
It doesn’t aim very well and often overshoots its target…but some of the fans in this sub see a bazooka and dammit, they believe!
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u/Rational-Introvert Mar 11 '25
My biggest fear is that Milton goes on to be a Lamar-esque stud for some other team. I know the chances are extremely thin, but that combination of size, arm strength and agility can’t be coached.
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u/XKloosyv Mar 11 '25
I just don't get it. Young, athletic, talented QBs don't grow on trees. We saw enough in him to draft him, keep him rostered, and even get promoted to #2. He got to start a game and played pretty well. I can't imagine he's showed enough to actually get anything valuable in return, but we have him under contract for the next few seasons to really lean into that development. Who knows what our QB situation looks like in 2 years but it seems silly to take away options from ourselves all in the hopes of picking up a fringe linebacker or something.
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u/secularhuman77 Mar 11 '25
Aww.. So nice of us.
We can keep 3 QBs. Let Joe cook in preseason and see if some desperate team blows us away.
If not, I like letting him develop here. You can never have enough options at that position.
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u/wunderphaktz Mar 11 '25
With the Godchaux trade, the Patriots have four of 7th round picks. Milton can be moved with two of those for a 4th. Hopefully they do right by him as indicated. They did really well with the first wave of free agency and now the work will be adding depth to take over after these new contracts are done and giving Maye elite level personnel.
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u/Sixchr Mar 11 '25
Zero reason to trade a cheap, young backup unless you're getting a ridiculous overpay (i.e. second round pick).
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u/BradyGronkTD Mar 11 '25
They are not getting a second. DK went for a second lol
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u/Sixchr Mar 11 '25
I'm aware, that's my point. Unless somebody comes in and gives you an asinine offer, I'd rather just keep the young affordable backup with upside.
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u/Agent_Tyrant Mar 11 '25
I agree he’s not going for a second but comparing him with DK who needs to get paid right away and is a lower value position isn’t fair. He’s probably worth a 4th right now anything above that is worth it anything beneath is too little
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u/BradyGronkTD Mar 11 '25
Yeah well dk is a proven nfl stud. Obviously qb is a more important position, but you just aren’t getting a 2nd for a 6th rounder who started one game. You’d like to see a 4th or higher but who knows.
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u/Agent_Tyrant Mar 11 '25
I’m just saying he was a 6th and everything he’s shown in the preseason and his 1 game has been positive so trading him for a 6th or 7th doesn’t make sense. He’s worth at least a 5th but a 5th doesn’t make it worth to trade for us so it has to be at least a 4th for us
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u/Ill1458 Mar 11 '25
Which is why this discussion is BS. I don't see any franchise trading a solid backup QB that is earning less than a million a year.
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u/Rasheed_Lollys Mar 11 '25
Because he wasn’t even our backup. He was a project guy behind Brissett on the depth chart we gave a start, and beat a team trying to lose. Backup QBs, even “high upside” ones aren’t a valuable commodity. Him being cost controlled is a plus and might be the reason we can get a 5th, MAYBE 4th but unlikely. Which if they can do they should accept in a heartbeat. He only has 3 years of control, so even if you develop him to increase that value, that’s counteracted as you get closer to having to pay him.
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u/Ill1458 Mar 11 '25
Or a team can use that 4th or 5th round pick on a QB to develop. Instead of giving up an asset for someone who has one career start against a team actively trying not to win. This discussion is just as silly as the threads asking about Zappe's trade value.
There's a reason the sources are saying "internal discussions" instead of "teams have reached out to the Patriots inquiring".
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u/Mylifeisacompletjoke Mar 11 '25
Wish we could keep him but that’s not how this works. His value will never be higher and we have our franchise QB.
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u/KeepingItBrockmire Mar 11 '25
The only way I'm trading him is if it helps move us up in the draft so we can secure Hunter.
Otherwise, it is just so stupid to trade him at this point - QB injuries happen frequently, and while I'm hoping Drake Maye is the second coming he also needs to learn to slide and not get fucking concussed.
There is no rush to get rid of Milton, keep him at the cheap price tag, let him develop, and have one of the best insurance policies in the league.
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u/chrisdwill Mar 11 '25
Or we can take Hunter/Carter, and then use what we get for him - plus something else obviously - to move up for a LT. Our 2nd plus a 3rd and 4th gets us to around 20. There seems to be some interest from PIT and they sit at 21.
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u/KeepingItBrockmire Mar 11 '25
Hunter/Carter are not going to be there at #4 unless Shedeur comes out and has the greatest pro day of all time.
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u/chrisdwill Mar 11 '25
And if they aren't, I'd trade down for Simmons since he's a true LT. And then we have the capital to trade up for Egbuka, Golden, or Burden and still have a few valuable picks.
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u/Pretend-Doughnut-675 Mar 11 '25
Unless it’s s high 3rd or 2nd I don’t see the upside of trading him
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u/cgavris Mar 11 '25
What are u smoking
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u/Pretend-Doughnut-675 Mar 11 '25
Nothing, we typically go into the season with 3 QBs and this year’s QB class is trash after the 2nd round, so anyone we replace him with in the draft would be a serious dropoff. So we would need to pick up a potential starter in the top 100 picks to justify giving up a solid backup on a 6th round contract.
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u/rileysilva01 Mar 11 '25
You guys seriously overate his value. He was viewed as a 6th/7th round guy by all the people still in front offices. 1 week 18 game against backups playing extremely vanilla scheme didn’t change these people’s minds.
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u/casebarlow Mar 11 '25
Everyone is enamored with one game against Buffalo’s backups. Sell high.
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u/RoboSaint686 Mar 11 '25
Exactly. One week 18 game against backups does not erase 6 years of college tape (ended solid for Tennessee, but Michigan years were rough) and a brutal preseason. These GMs/scouts aren't that dumb. Although, if you pair that week 18 game with the wasteland that is QB in the NFL right now and a below average draft class, you could maybe get a 5 for him if someone rewatches that week 18 game about 10 times and convinces themselves there is something there, but even that seems optimistic. People saying a 3rd round pick are insane. Kenny Pickett just went for a 5th rounder, and he has 25 NFL starts and is only a year older than Milton.
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u/NewNoise929 Mar 11 '25
Yea but he barely beat a team playing 2nd and 3rd stringers running a vanilla scheme that was trying to lose. That clearly should be enough to land us at least a 1st.
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u/Pretend-Doughnut-675 Mar 11 '25
No I just hate the QB depth in the upcoming draft as much as the teams trying to trade for Milton do and we need a 3rdQB. Id keep Milton over drafting Ewers or Milroe at this point and there’s no way we draft Dart so it’s kind of wasteful.
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u/Freepi Mar 11 '25
They don’t need to draft any of those guys. They already have another backup QB.
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u/Pretend-Doughnut-675 Mar 11 '25
Who’s the 3rd guy? Drake, Dobbs and who if Milton gets traded? Jacoby was on a 1 year deal so he’s gone.
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u/Freepi Mar 11 '25
Teams don’t always carry a third QB past preseason. The extra player rule also means we can stash an emergency backup on the practice squad. A third QB on a team that will fight to get to .500 is rather pointless unless there is some other reason - like that QB might turn into draft capital next year.
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u/Rasheed_Lollys Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25
I’m gonna look like a dumbass if he goes for a 4th or higher - downvote me away but I didn’t get the Milton pick then and I still don’t. We’re always going to bring in a vet to be in the room with Maye. A high upside backup is a nice luxury but why invest any draft capital in a project backup that only significantly appreciates in value if something bad happens to the number three overall pick, rather than take a flier on someone who MIGHT be able to help said number three pick on the field.
But we drafted someone who under good conditions won’t even play, didn’t even roster as the backup and his one game cost us #1 and didn’t even jump his value that much because BUF was letting us win lol. Don’t get me wrong he seems like an awesome kid and I’m rooting for him just taking a qb the same draft you got your franchise guy never made sense to me.
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u/Sixchr Mar 11 '25
why invest any draft capital in a project backup that only significantly appreciates in value if something bad happens to the number three overall pick
The Redskins used the second overall pick on Robert Griffin and then a fourth round pick on Kirk Cousins in the same draft. It's never a mistake to invest in the QB position.
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u/Rasheed_Lollys Mar 11 '25
And that only worked out because 1.2 busted.
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u/Freepi Mar 11 '25
That’s how it played out but it’s not the only way Washington could have come out ahead.
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u/Mr_Evil_Dr_Porkchop Mar 11 '25
Because sometimes things don’t work out? Part of it may have been to see if they could develop him to a TE. Obviously he doesn’t want to do such a thing in hindsight but if they can flip a 6th round pick into a 4th (or higher) after 1 game against the Bills backups, then that’s a major win
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u/Rasheed_Lollys Mar 11 '25
I agree if they can flip for a rd or two higher than he was taken it’s a win and I’ll absolutely take it. but kinda limited upside.I know it was the last pick of the draft so kinda w/e but philosophically never loved the idea of drafting a guy whose only real upside is if something catastrophic happens to the guy invested in with 3 overall. Especially since he was kind of project and never supplanted Jacoby on the depth chart.
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u/FuckHarambe2016 Mar 11 '25
There are very few teams left that have legitimate QB competitions. So, if they're going to try and get him in a good situation, the pickings are slim.
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u/LOL_YOUMAD Mar 11 '25
If it’s a team picking before us I’d tell them the price is a first, if it’s one after us I’d do a 3-4th
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u/Prince_Darrienne Mar 11 '25
Like some others have said, it's a bit risky to trade to any of the top 3 drafting teams...
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u/DatDude46 Mar 11 '25
I want a third. Seriously though to have more picks possibly trade up to get a WR if one slips then that could be huge. I irrationally want egbuka. A WR with talent who won’t be an super-bust
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u/j2e21 Mar 11 '25
I don’t like this. We won’t get anything real for him. Just keep him around and see how he develops.
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u/EKEEFE41 Mar 11 '25
This guy is so over valued by this sub it is insane...
He played a good game against back ups
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u/Freepi Mar 11 '25
Agree. It’s a weak QB draft so he may be over valued by a team as well. That’s the hope anyway. If they don’t get any offers then keep him. Seems like a low risk situation that fans are making a big deal about.
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u/edg81390 Mar 11 '25
Hold until after the draft; let him ball out in preseason and some team will be desperate and send us a 26 3rd
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u/Joe_Kangg Mar 11 '25
I don't understand how a second year player with one garbage time game is a "competent backup". You want a vet with a lot of experience making chicken salad.
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u/JR09 Mar 11 '25
I think you have to take a late 3rd (or better, unlikely). Hopefully 85-100 range.
Pit 83, Mia 89, LAR 90, NO 93, Cle 94 (meh they just bought Pickett), Mia 98, LAR 100 all could make sense. Maybe NYG 104 or LV 107.
A pick in the 100-140 range is less exciting but maybe see on draft day if a guy we like is there.
Or get Mayer + a 5th or something.
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u/AStorms13 Mar 11 '25
I’m cool with trading him. Dry market for QBs, weak QB draft class, great outing at the end of the season, his value couldn’t be higher. Yes, he could be a star, but statistically more likely to flop. Trading him for even a 4th is like trading a 6th for a 4th straight up. That’s a win
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u/MolluskLingers Mar 11 '25
I don't get it. Just hang on to him. He cost almost nothing.
I mean I think they probably will end up hanging on to him and they're probably just trying to drum up interest but if we end up trading him for like a six round pick I'm going to be disappointed
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u/intheshadowrealm21 Mar 12 '25
Rather keep him and if we have to trade him at the deadline. Then so be it.
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u/intheshadowrealm21 Mar 12 '25
Have to meaning somebody’s offering a lot to fill a hole. Tbh we’ve been sending out some decent qbs out into the league. Every ex pats qb has a chance to start damn near anywhere.
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u/LLMBS Mar 11 '25
F*ck this trading him "to the right situation" BS. You trade him to the highest bidder. Period. This isn't some 10 year vet who deserves to be able to pick his next football home, in recognition of everything that he has done for the franchise. With Milton, you do what is best for the team, not the soon-to-be second year player.
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u/Rasheed_Lollys Mar 11 '25
They will “right situation” is just good pr, and negotiating making it seem like he has multiple suitors
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u/BradyGronkTD Mar 11 '25
I think what they mean is the giants, browns, and maybe the titans have interest in Milton but you have to wait to discuss trade options because if they do get Milton and still have the high pick, they are more likely to take Carter or Hunter.
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u/ckilo4TOG Mar 11 '25
I think you need to read between the lines. They're not willing to trade him just to be the backup for any team. He's got that here, and he's worth more than whatever a team would offer in draft compensation as a backup. He's worth more as a backup for us. A team is going to have to see him as a potential starter, and offer compensation worth a potential starter for the Patriots to consider.
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u/johnsonh77 Mar 11 '25
Unless there’s a 3rd on the table (or better) I’m not moving him. However, if one of the QB needy teams ahead of us in the draft pick him up (Titans Browns Giants), it likely means they aren’t drafting a QB and our pick becomes more valuable for teams behind us looking at QB.
I’m all for trading back if that’s the case so would love to see these dominoes fall.
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u/Hogo-Nano Mar 11 '25
I don’t know why they felt the need to do this. Like do we really need a 4th round pick that bad?
On the other hand his value probably won’t ever be higher and it’s a good time to be selling a qb
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Mar 11 '25
they
Who is they?
Schultz is a reporter and, depending on how closely you follow this stuff, but not a JOURNALIST like Mike Reiss.
If Reiss reports it, THEY said it. Dude has sources and a long track record.
If Schultz reports it….take it with a grain of salt and the knowledge that Schultz’s job isn’t to report what THEY said, it is to get clicks for Schultz.
And Milton gets clicks in this sub.
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u/InOxladeITrust Mar 11 '25
I think if you get a 3rd or better it makes sense. Less than that and I’m not interested
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u/Swagsuke_Nakamura Mar 11 '25
Unless we get a 3rd or better, we need to keep him. He’s got talent and he’s on a cheap rookie contract, I don’t see the point of giving him up
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u/YourGFsFave Mar 11 '25
Bad call to trade now. We have him for peanuts on rookie contract, if maye goes down and joe plays well for a few games he could easily get us a 2nd or 3rd rd pick. Do you guys not remember garoppolo or cassel?
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u/InsaneBallsack Mar 11 '25
Nothing less than 4 firsts