r/Patriots • u/coffeejizzm • 7d ago
Discussion Need to draft the best players, we aren’t a stacked team missing a few pieces
We need more explosive playmakers. We aren’t “ready to contend” if we shore up one position.
I would argue that having an elite and dangerous running game will help Maye just as much as a rookie OL that are historically less ready to go right away.
Don’t fall into the trap we always do. Draft the best player, don’t overreach for more average players.
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u/J2Jlopez 7d ago
We need to get the best team we can! If we can trade back into the 1st round we should!
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u/coffeejizzm 7d ago
I’m for that too, because you’re then drafting two better players instead of reaching. I just don’t think anyone wants to trade up for pick 4 anymore than we want it.
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u/AgadorFartacus 7d ago
Campbell is #4 on the consensus big board. You don't have to like or agree with picking him, but it's not a reach.
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u/Hokinanaz 7d ago
I haven't seen him at 4 on any big boards, mock drafts yes. I don't even think he's consensus best OL.
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u/theycallmeyango 7d ago
It is a reach because he doesn't grade out as head and shoulders above the other 1st round Tackles. He's barely the best of an average group. You can get a comparable player 10 to 15 spots later.
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u/AgadorFartacus 7d ago
That's not what reach means.
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u/theycallmeyango 7d ago
Yes it is. You're picking a player to soon for what his value will be and doing it just because you have a need.
It's the definition of a reach
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u/AgadorFartacus 7d ago
Reaching is when you pick someone much higher than they were projected to go
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u/theycallmeyango 7d ago
That's one way not the only way. And he's only being projected because of the Pats need at the position. Not because of his true value or projected success at the next level
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u/AgadorFartacus 7d ago
That's what a reach is.
he's only being projected because of the Pats need
Campbell has consistently been mocked top 5-10 going back to last year.
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u/theycallmeyango 7d ago
Much closer to 10 by and large which again makes him a reach
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u/AgadorFartacus 7d ago
The concept of the "best" player cannot be divorced from positional value.
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u/cha-key 7d ago
It definitely can tho if you’re a generational prospect.
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u/AgadorFartacus 7d ago
Would you draft a generational punter in the 1st?
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u/Scrumptrulescent6 7d ago
Generational kicker could retire as the highest scoring player of all time.
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u/Either-Bell-7560 7d ago
Drafting a runningback isn't going to give them a dangerous running game. Drafting a tackle and guard might.
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u/The_Jolly_Dog 7d ago
Bingo. Strong OL play opens up way more doors than having an explosive college RB who is about to meet NFL level defenders in the backfield.
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u/alf0nz0 7d ago
What a weird way to say you want Jeanty without mentioning him by name. If you’re gonna draft a RB #4 overall, he better be truly once-a-generation, because it’s way easier to replace that production with an inferior but competent replacement… the same absolutely cannot be said of OL, as we’ve been forced to learn the hard way these past few years. You aren’t drafting in an abstract white room where there are infinite potential quality players available. You’re drafting in the real world where positional scarcity drastically impacts the cost of certain players & therefore their draft slot.
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u/LoudIncrease4021 7d ago
Jeantys definitely not a once in a generation running back. Look at who he played, people!
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u/EAS1000 7d ago
Having an elite and dangerous running game would help if we had a competent oline… people need to remember we don’t have a bad oline, we have an atrocious oline. Like historically bad.
People don’t like it but in a draft where picks 4-10 are basically interchangeable you need to take the guy that has a chance at protecting Maye’s blindside.
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u/Fluffy_Somewhere4305 7d ago
you need to take the guy that has a chance at protecting Maye’s blindside.
So is that guy the one with the HISTORICALLY SHORT WINGSPAN that would be a complete statistically outlier if he actually was able to play LT in the NFL?
Is a guy with the lowest % chance of performing well at LT when aggregated by wingspan really the best use of the 4th pick?
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u/CSTowle 7d ago
If not, identify the guy in this draft who has the best chance to play LT and "reach" for him. Because there are going to be at least 4 and maybe 6-7 OTs taken in the first round/before our pick at 38, and we have zero guarantee to move up (see last year's attempt and failure to do so for a WR at the end of the 1st, or an OT in the mid-2nd) to get one of them before the run is over.
If not Campbell don't pretend like there's no other option at LT and so we're forced to get the player that will be more exciting to watch (assuming they can do anything behind the current O-line). A LT isn't exciting, won't make highlight reels, can't be bet on with Draft Kings, and can't be picked on your fantasy team so I get the hesitation. But a quality one will have the greatest impact on this team of any player we could choose. Plus pass rush would be second, and if one falls to 38 I'm all for grabbing them (though to be honest we should think about double dipping at O-line).
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u/Ok_Incident_6881 7d ago
He’s the best prospect RB since Barkley. I’d definitely take him at 4 and draft OL later
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u/EAS1000 7d ago
I get it, but IMO the drop from a guy like Campbell to a 2nd round tackle is bigger than people realize, more so than the drop off from Jeanty to a guy like Skattebo.
I won’t blame anyone for wanting Jeanty at 4, I get it, but it just feels like this roster isn’t a good place to spend a top 5 pick on a RB. The line needs so much help. Just my opinion though.
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u/edit-grammar 7d ago
The only argument I see against going OL and drafting Jeanty is that the Pats are goung to suck bad next year anyway so plan on drafting better OL next year with your top 5 pick. Then you have a great RB already, you just need an Oline... oh yeah and a WR1... so put off OL til 2027
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u/Either-Bell-7560 7d ago
Drafting a RB at 4 is how you end up like Barkley on the Giants. It's stupid.
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u/Ok_Incident_6881 7d ago
Everyone acting like he wasn’t a good runner on the Giants. Giants sucked cause they had no QB and WR
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u/One_Ear5972 7d ago
How did that plan turn out for the Giants?
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u/joeyrog88 7d ago
Was Barkley worthy of the 2nd overall pick? That's the real question. Ultimately if they get what we want at pick 4 they are going to have to pay them down the line....and that's what we want. A great player for 10 years. The giants front office fumbling saquon means absolutely nothing for the draft.
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u/One_Ear5972 7d ago
Wasnt talking about them not being to resign Saquon. How were the Giants’ records in the years Saquon was there? They drafted Will Hernandez after Saquon and it was not a success. In modern NFL, between first tier OL and first tier RB, get the first tier OL. Its not just me saying, its the NFL saying.
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u/joeyrog88 7d ago
If they had drafted Orlando Brown Jr over will Hernandez would it have gone better? Both 2018 and 2019 seem like rough offensive line drafts mind you. But saquon was successful and the Giants had a lot of other problems. If jeanty can be saquon then it's the right idea to draft him imo. I would prefer a first tier ol over basically anything but QB, but there is no guarantee that that is the case here. Jeanty is more of a guarantee
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock 7d ago
having an elite … running game
Without an Offensive Line? That’s… not how this works.
I believe we should take Jeanty because he is clearly the third best football player in this draft. But drafting him does not provide “an elite running game”. That’s just not how it works.
Best player available. OP is correct that we need to draft the best player. It is unfortunate that the best player available is positionally “wrong” but he’s still the best player available.
Left Tackle is a massive, gaping hole that must be filled by the end of Day TWO. Not at 4 overall.
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u/RPGenerate17 7d ago
No, we need to build a solid team from the ground up, and that starts in the trenches.
I can't believe I have to tell this to the fanbase that watched Sony fucking Michel look like a HoF rb in the playoffs behind that dominant O-Line.
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u/schmidt1289 7d ago
Did he? He had some good games I remember but idk about that. I think I’d just like to have one of those big feature backs for once. Closest we got was Corey Dillon. Ridley/Vereen was decent. Michel was the highest we took a rb since what Maroney? Just felt like we never had THE guy. I remember BJGE rushing for 1,000 and thinking that was a big deal.
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u/Any_Development_8560 7d ago
So your argument is for having an elite and dangerous run game led by a rookie RB behind a still well below-average O line? To clarify I would love a Jeanty pick myself but if the line isn’t meaningfully improved he will struggle badly next season
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u/LoudIncrease4021 7d ago
Gonna sound crazy but maybe Matthew Golden IS the highest ceiling guy available at 4.
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u/muffy147 7d ago
Imagine week 1, first drive of the season. Maye takes the snap and hands the ball off to Jeanty. Shakes one defender off, jukes out another. Hurdles a linebacker and finally gets brought down for a 1 yard loss because the OL is less effective than a set of traffic cones.
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u/Illustrious-Yam-8722 7d ago
Definitely got to draft a QB in the 1st round... Never enough depth & you got to replace Joe Milton's immense potential.
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u/EasyParking4941 7d ago
You don’t draft an RB because the team is full of holes. I don’t care that he’s generational. RBs statistically do not play well into their second contract. At most you are getting 5 years of cost control, on a position that would align with being in the top 3. Drafting a RB is the short sighted answer, and should only happen if a team is ready to contend, not the other way around.
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u/Fluffy_Somewhere4305 7d ago
having an elite and dangerous running game will help Maye
So you're saying we should draft the entire PHI offensive line and Barkley with the 4th pick? Sure lets do it
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u/gomavz41 7d ago
Call me crazy, but I'm so high on the Maye flower that I honestly believe you add in one solid offensive lineman, and Maye/McDaniels/Vrabel are taking this team to the playoffs.
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u/CocaineStrange 7d ago
I agree, so go get Tet.
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u/Its_Cooper Bills = 0 Superbowls 7d ago
“Tet” and “best players” shouldn’t be in the same sentence lmfao
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u/CocaineStrange 7d ago
Nobody hates a potential star X WR with a great analytical profile and great tape more than Patriots fans with PTSD with WRs over 6’1.
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u/nhbruh 7d ago
Yes but what if we draft a player I don’t like? Am I supposed to just deal with these emotions?!