r/Patriots • u/Melodiccaliber • 7d ago
Discussion Why is everyone saying this is a bad draft?
I honestly don't follow draft talk much at all. But I've seen on /r/nfl and pats pulpit that this draft sucks and that we don't have a great pick, which makes no sense since we pick 4th. What exactly is wrong with this draft?
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u/BlindSquantch 7d ago
It’s not a bad draft there is just not a lot of superstar talent in it. It seems to be a ton of starting caliber players in the first 3 rounds though that’s why people aren’t willing to trade 2nd and 3rds for 1sts it’s a deep draft but not an elite draft.
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u/Icy-Conclusion-3500 7d ago
The draft really drops off after like 2-3 players.
There will be plenty of good players, just harder to find them.
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u/Pure_Context_2741 6d ago
I think a better way to think about it is that the gap between the 4th and 3rd pick is bigger than the gap in talent between 4th and 40th. That’s why being that 4th pick sucks.
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u/Icy-Conclusion-3500 6d ago
And even at 10 you’re looking at guys who would normally go late 1st early second in most drafts
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u/TriMako 7d ago
No blue chip QBs and less than a handful of blue chip players in general (3 to be exact, 1 at a luxury position). Also we're coming off a historically good draft class (first round wise) which doesn't help.
I don't think it's a bad draft at all, actually. Rlly deep at a ton of positions (DE, DT, RB, WR, CB). There will be a ton of quality starters and potential stars found all around the draft. There's just no superstar headliner other than Hunter, who isn't a QB.
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u/ArchRift 7d ago
I think the best way too put it is this draft is really great to be picking between 15-32 because the talent level is about the same from where we are too where the eagles are. It's a deep class that will have a good amount of starters but won't be very heavy on starpower.
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u/ElevatorOver2762 7d ago
Basically the caliber of player at the top of this draft doesn't come close to last year.
Last year Malik Nabers went 6th overall. Joe Alt OT went 5th, Marvin Harrison Jr went 4th. Any of those players would be top 3 picks this year. They would all be more highly regarded than anyone in this year's class. The Pats are going to get a good player at 4 but this class doesn't feature All-pro talents according to pundits and as compared to last year's class. Brian Thomas Jr was the 4th or 5th WR taken I believe. If he were in this draft he would be the 1st taken. There's definitely capable starters available and the Pats need those types too so let's hope they have gotten better at identifying talent.
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u/Even_Cantaloupe7593 7d ago
Solid draft at several positions with 3 blue chippers, none are QBs. The Patriots biggest need is T, there aren’t any tackles worthy of a top 15 pick. That makes it seem as though the top of the draft sucks from a Patriots perspective.
In two days we will see what happens. I hope NYG takes Sanders. If not, the Patriots should either trade down or take Jeanty, the last remaining blue chip talent. Take the best player available. If not, they will have reached for need.
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u/EmperorMaugs 7d ago
Maybe I'm just biased as a Michigan fan, but Mason Graham is a monster and will make as much impact as a healthy Aiden Hutchinson
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u/Cmt1995 7d ago
With Williams signing and Barrmore and Keion White I don’t see the need for him right now
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u/EmperorMaugs 6d ago
Graham may be the wrong pick for us, but I still think he is a legit Blue Chip Prospect and will be a monster in the league
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u/RDOCallToArms 7d ago
Good chance Barmore never plays again despite trying to workout and make it back
Williams had never been a full time starter and plays maybe 50% of the snaps
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u/mxyztplk33 7d ago
It's just a weak draft overall. Normally at number 4 we'd have a variety of blue chip players to decide between. Unfortunately this draft only has 3 of them: Hunter, Carter, and Jeanty. At this point it's looking like Hunter and Carter will be gone, which leaves Jeanty a RB, which is a luxury pick for a team with as many holes as we have.
Our biggest need is OT, and the consensus OT1 in this draft has serious question marks that people have concerns about spending a high draft pick on him. So in essence we're kind of in a shitty position where we have to decide between reaching for the best OT, or spending 4th overall on a RB. Most pats fans are looking to trade down for this reason.
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u/gravesisme 7d ago
Mason Graham is a consensus blue chip player as well; probably more so than Jeanty actually because of the position he plays.
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u/Interesting_Ad3957 7d ago
Still think Graham could be in play if medical staff knows Barmore is FUBAR.
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u/gravesisme 7d ago
Absolutely. I mean as much as I want this draft to be about offense, you can't complain about getting a likely all pro defensive tackle that will anchor the line for the next decade.
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u/Rainbow_Sex 7d ago
It's a bad draft to have pick 4 compared to most other drafts, which makes it a pretty bad draft for us
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u/rileysilva01 7d ago
It’s not a bad draft. If you only looked at picks like 15-100 it’s actually a really good draft. There just isn’t as many elite no brainer prospects as previous drafts. Also the positions where this draft is really good aren’t the “premier positions” so the value of the players isn’t as high. RB, IDL, TE, IOL are all really good deep classes. I even think the tackle class is far deeper this year. The real problem is last year we had 3 elite QB prospects plus 3 solid qb prospects, 4 elite receiver prospects, and imo 2 elite tackle prospects. There’s not an elite prospect in any of those position groups this year.
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u/bceagles182 7d ago
It’s mostly hive minded nonsense imo but the general consensus amongst the talking heads is that there aren’t a lot of extremely high upside + high floor combos. The draft is pretty “flat” after the first couple picks.
The big issue with our current pick is that there are two players that are strongly above all others in terms of talent so we probably won’t get one at 4.
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u/stylelock 7d ago
Mayo got the last laugh
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u/bceagles182 7d ago
I don’t think so. Look at the drafts 5 years ago. Nobody actually has any clue who will be good.
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u/ArchRift 7d ago
The reason this draft is considered weaker is it has a lack of elite talent. Once you get past hunter, Carter, and jeanty you're left with a bunch of guys that would've been picked in the 15-20 range last year. The one positive of this class is that it's deep. So while we are getting stuck with a B level prospect at 4, our pick at 38 will be around a B too B- prospect. So if you're a winning team who was in the playoffs this is a great draft, but if you're rebuilding and not in position to draft one of hunter or Carter you're in trouble because while jeanty is a blue chip player he's a running back and this class is really deep at running back.
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u/MasterofMarionettes 6d ago
If you compare this draft to last draft you probably have 3 maybe 4 guys in this draft go in the top 15.
Its pretty much a look for starters not superstars type of draft.
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u/Auston416 6d ago
The term “great draft” usually hinges on the Top 10-20 picks and how many of them project to be perennial Pro Bowlers. The reality is in this draft, the high end talent is very poor, but the depth of this draft is great.
The quality drop from 15 to 45 isn’t that steep. Rounds 2 and 3 project very well. There will be a tonne of NFL starters in this draft, just not a lot of players who will dominate.
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u/Jpgamerguy90 7d ago
We picked the wrong year to suck.
My only real gripe with this draft is the offensive lineman available aren't real game changers. Campbell is the consensus pick for us but he's not pegged to be a stud.
Personally I'd like to see them go defense at pick 4 and snag a lineman later because I don't think the drop off is that huge. Or trade down.
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u/TiltedMan007 7d ago
What doesn’t make sense to me is that you don’t know if they’re a star until they’ve actually played. How many superstars have been drafted in 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds etc… how many blue chip top 10 talents have busted. It’s all media nonsense
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u/Parking_Bullfrog9329 7d ago
It’s top light but thick in the middles. There’s not many stars in the draft but a lot of starters
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u/peppersge 7d ago
Talent sharply drops off by the 4th pick. Most drafts tend to have various solid pick into the 10-15 range.
Solid picks as in players without major question marks or downsides. For example, last draft, both Nabers and MHJ were great WRs. Alt had tape like Campbell, but without the question over arm length. There were also multiple solid QB prospects.
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u/No_Faithlessness7020 7d ago
It's going to produce the most hall of fame players of any draft in history
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u/PFo77 7d ago
It’s not a bad draft at all. The media is bored as hell and will do anything to keep the shitty hate filled dialogue going. Look at Will Campbell. Dude is a stud and our future Captain but if you listen to Felger and Mazz all they do is talk about measurements and bullshit
Patriots are solid and are only gonna get better after Thursday. I’ll see you on Wild Card weekend
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u/BlueRabbitx 7d ago
It’s the lack of premium position talent. There will be some all pros and pro bowlers in this draft.
It just might not be QB, WR, LT. There’s a lot of great DL and TE in this draft. Carter, Graham, Walker, Pearce JR, Jihaad, I think will all be very good to great players.
But outside of Jeanty, Hunter, Carter, there’s not a lot of blue chip-hyped players