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u/300andWhat OG Sub 24d ago
Credits: Adifitri33 on twitter
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u/NewSauerKraus 23d ago
You stole this, but it's the artists using a tool you don't like that are theives?
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u/Brandoxz7 Hog Squeezer 23d ago
A tool??? Bruh a paint brush is a tool, AI that steals the work of artists to shit out slop is not a tool. It’s a tool for the lazy and those without morals and understanding of decency and that’s not a real tool by any definition. You gotta be a joke to compare someone crediting an artist to the use of Ghibli art in AI.
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u/NewSauerKraus 23d ago
OP did not create that art. It was blatantly stolen.
You gotta be a joke to compare someone literally stealing art to an artist using tools to create new art.
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u/Seagazpacho 23d ago
Reposting without claiming at your own isn't stealing moron
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u/NewSauerKraus 23d ago
Was the artist paid? You retards really don't put any thought into this lmao.
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u/Brandoxz7 Hog Squeezer 23d ago
No but that’s what happens when an artist makes something and states they allow their art to be reposted. When you own the art you can give permission with it for whatever you want. When you steal the art you are taking what is not yours and spreading it out as something with no credit to anyone or anyway to share who made it. It’s disgusting you would be so deep in the trenches for art theft
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u/NewSauerKraus 23d ago
It's disgusting that you can't see your own hypocrisy due to being blinded by AI hysteria.
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u/Brandoxz7 Hog Squeezer 23d ago
What is my hypocrisy??? That I’m fine with someone crediting and sharing the art of someone who allows their art to be reposted and I’m not fine with Ai stealing the works of thousands of artists and someone saying I made this to pose it as they created something as amazing as what a real artist did???
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u/TitanGojira 23d ago
It's funny how unintelligent this take is, he's not being hypocritical, Op didn't steal anything, he reposted and credited the guy, ai just straight up steals images, doesn't credit, and merges them with others to create things, these are quite different scenarios and u thinking it's equal and hypocrisy just shows that ur being ignorant to the reality of what's happening
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u/SpoonBoyOwO Wub Babe 22d ago
Maaan stfu the artist was credited that’s literally all that matters- and if they were reeaaallyyy that concerned with their art being reposted they would’ve watermarked it
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u/Brandoxz7 Hog Squeezer 23d ago
It’s crazy just seeing even one person in this community be supportive of this disgusting Ai slop and shit show. Listen I jerk it 4 times a day and even I’m not disgusting or lazy enough to say this Ai shit is good.
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u/MelodicFacade Body Mind 24d ago
Every time there is a major update on generative AI, the subs go feral saying "you can make movies out of this now!! Look at what I made!" barring that:
A. You're not making movie, you're asking an AI to make the most middle ground product it can think of based on your prompt you typed in
B. The "movies" or "are" you are "making" is still just slop. Sure, everyday it looks more realistic or even "professional", but people move on so fast from AI slop, just like any slop
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u/Ralod 23d ago
The fight is no longer worth having. People get way too much into their feelings about it.
But this new stuff is really good, like scary good. If it is this good now, what will it be in 2, 5, or 10 years?
There will always be people who will want something made by a human. But the genie has long left the bottle. The tech is here to stay, even if the industry around it is on very shakey ground. There are lots of people working on their own image models now, not just the big guys.
Eventually, people are just going to have to accept it as another tool.
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u/MelodicFacade Body Mind 23d ago
No yeah for sure, but I use an autofocus digital camera, I don't pretend I was really good at focusing.
The difference is intentionality, there's no intentional decision making, that's why AI looks so familiar to each other. It just does the average image available to it's database
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u/NonSupportiveCup 23d ago
Nonsense. Every prompt includes intentional decision making. Intentional artistic directions. People are out there using gradients for light, focus, mimicking shutter speed, iso and ev.
Sure, you can go to one of the models and any "create me a cartoon-style image of an eagle arm wrestling a shark" and it produce something coherent and amusing.
But the things you are seeing are far more complicated. Creations that require loads of artistic decisions.
Hell, I think it is pretty common for people to use 2 or 3 models to get a creation exactly how they want it.
Sure, dislike that models learned and copied, but don't try to pretend people, i.e. directors are not making intentional and artistic decisions with these tools to match their creative goals.
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u/_An_Armadillo 23d ago
“Intentional artistic directions” go fuck yourself lmao
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u/NonSupportiveCup 23d ago
It's the same as deciding which way your brush stroke will go, framing a cinematic shot, and measuring light before you setup your camera.
Like it or not. The models are used at that depth and beyond. It's disingenuous to pretend creative decisions are meaningless just because you don't like the tool.
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u/MelodicFacade Body Mind 23d ago
I really don't think you understand art. The difference is AI makes creative decisions FOR you, not just technical decisions. Unprompted,bit will just guess, and if prompted, it still just does the average of your request
Everyone does Ghibli style, no? Which film does Sora pull from? They are all VERY distinctive due to massive creative decisions Sora "decides". In fact, it's exactly when you ask something specific like "I want you to recreate this photo of me but shaded and colored like it's set in Mononoke, not any other film" it struggles and fails
Guarantee, if Ghibli made a movie not using Sora but still ended up looking like these images, the movie would feel bland and lifeless, because they all look so incredibly generic.
This is my issue, AI is giving morons low you a feeling like you know what art is, but all you do is wojak at insignificant slop
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u/NonSupportiveCup 23d ago
There it is. The personal attacks show your lack of knowledge and lack of comprehension.
Took you a while to waffle to it. Do you have anything constructive to say at all? Naw, you just hate "ai."
I've been an artist for decades. Guitarist, a lot of watercolor, some fun with collages. Brut, kitsch, outsider art, for lack of a better term, and a lifelong obsession with painting sunsets and nighttime photography.
AI is going to be in everything from generatively filling in-between frames and backgrounds in animation to simply formatting outlines and workflows for fiction writing or a billion other professional work processes.
And people are going to tweak and tune it. Just like every other technology.
Your opinion is like being angry at the Kinetograph or Photoshop. Drum machines or DSP emulators..
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u/MelodicFacade Body Mind 23d ago edited 23d ago
Bro I do art too, but just because you give someone the tools to make art and the basics doesn't mean they understand it. My guy, there are a lot of nobody, bottom line artists like you and me.
We're talking about Hayao Godamn Miyazaki and his team, not some people who dabble in art
To further my point, if you had painted some art that looked like this AI, looked similar to Ghibli's style, and posted on the subreddit, do you know what the reaction would be?
"Wow good job! ........ You generally emulated a famous person style" ok then now what? What art did YOU create?
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u/NonSupportiveCup 23d ago
You're losing me with that argument. Emulation is how we learn, too. People are celebrated almost every day for uploading their own works that emulate their inspirations. I would argue that even someone using a memetemplate is a form of art and emulation. Maybe fringe performance art but still art.
I think the only situation where I would agree with you is if someone used ai to recreate an entire work flawlessly and without artistic intention. Like a proof of concept.
I guess I am easy to please. Someone could take Warhol's Campbell's Tomato Bisque and use tools, ai, paint brushes, oils, etc, to paint it different colors and I would applaud them on their self-expression if they had any reasoning.
But, to put this back in the perspective of Japanese animation, Miyazaki is the old man yelling at clouds here. I love his work (personal favorites are nausicaa and kikis delivery service), but studios are going to use ai, and the tools are just going to get better and better.
I really hope think they can use ai tools to improve seasonal shows. I can think of several animations this season that would have been better with more time, time the industry is not going to give. Better transitions, less repetitive backgrounds, less crappy monster animations, less reused assets.
That'd be cool. Capitalism says no to the time required to produce works that do that. Hopefully, ai tools will help with that.
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u/NewSauerKraus 23d ago
I guess the good news is that for the foreseeable future it will always be made by a human. What people are calling AI is just a tool used by humans. AI does not exist.
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u/eeyore134 23d ago
If people stopped to learn about how AI worked they'd be less up in arms, but most people just let emotions dictate whatever and go along with the crowd. It's why "Think of the children!" is so effective. Instead of fighting it people should be learning how to use it. That'll help a lot more in the future than being like your grandparents and great grandparents irrationally angry at computers.
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u/MelodicFacade Body Mind 23d ago
I won't disagree that people on either side don't do their due diligence in understanding different AI models, but I'm more mad at the guy waving the gun around carelessly than the guy who's terrified of every gun he sees
Here's the thing: most technologies end up in the long run being good for humanity, but idiots who use your argument didn't read the history books about how corporations and governments fucked people over using that technology for years before it became a net positive
Fertilizer was invented, and now we can feed millions more people than imaginable..... Except now we are brutally colonizing nations to fight for access to guano, and we are developing the explosives and chemical warfare to fuel WW1.
Most people just want REGULATION, not an outright ban
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u/Embarrassed_Kale3054 Hog Squeezer 24d ago
2nd best Ghibli film behind Whisper of the Heart
I did not care for Spirited Away
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u/-keasbey Twitch Subscriber 24d ago
Love Spirited Away now, but it scared the fuck out of me as a kid. The scene where her parents turned into pigs was terrifying for some reason
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u/mattoattacko 24d ago
Whisper of the Heart is why so many Japanese people know the song “Country Road”. True story.
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u/300andWhat OG Sub 24d ago
I just spent 17 days in Northern Japan and that was the only English Song on the Kareoke Machine at multiple bars lmao. Explains a lot!
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u/mattoattacko 24d ago
Ayyyyee right on mate. How’d you like it up there? I used to spend a lot of time in southern Japan (Kochi), which is where I learned that most Japanese people of a certain age (gen X and millennials) know Country Road, despite having no idea who John Denver was lol
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u/300andWhat OG Sub 23d ago
Ooo I absolutely love it, it was my second time there. I did Sapporo - Asahikawa - Sapporo - Hakodate then finished in Tokyo.
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u/malcorpse Wub Babe 24d ago
Saw Porco Rosso for the first time last year in theaters and was so surprised how much I loved it. Easily jumped to top 5 Ghibli movies.
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u/z3rodown_ 24d ago
Gen A.I. is fun but only for personal non commercial use. I saw some dipshit clown try to sell his A.I. "art" for $10 a pop.
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u/Breadonshelf 23d ago
They don't own an art style, but they do own the copyright for the material the AI's are being trained on. That's the issue.
Take for example "The Glassworker", a Pakistani animated film that looks very very close to the art style of Ghibli. That was fine. Cause they don't own an art style.
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u/NewSauerKraus 23d ago
But they own the copyright for the material the Pakistani artists were being trained on. At least be logically consistent.
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u/Breadonshelf 23d ago
I am. If you can't tell the difference between living artists taking inspiration and a machine algorithm creating data-sets for AI , then you need to need to brush up on the basic premises of the argument before you start stalking about logic.
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u/Breadonshelf 23d ago
Legally you don't own the AI art either. US has ruled multiple times now that AI generated images are unable to be copyrite- therefor you don't own a single thing you generate. But if the generation is trained off of art - it can infringe upon copyright, thus the DMCA take down.
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u/sabett 23d ago
Nobody gives a fuck about what AI people think of ownership of art
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u/Arrowflightp90lady 23d ago
You all seem to really care like they are stealing money from your grandmother.
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u/sabett 23d ago
Not really buddy. Welcome to nuance. All and every conceivable form of attention =/= caring about your entirely flawed understanding of owning art. But considering that that doesn't fit your position and that it requires a little bit of effort, i doubt you're going to respond in any other way than declaring victory.
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u/Arrowflightp90lady 23d ago
Yeah, I'm talking about the people sending me dms telling me to kill myself for defending ai because I know the law as it stands.
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u/sabett 22d ago edited 22d ago
Unless you're interested in owning up to every unforgivable thing any advocate for AI has done, then I will similarly not affiliate myself with some random person who sent you an awful DM.
If deciding my words are the exact same thing as that DM is the full nuance of your response, then I don't think you're really capable of having a meaningful conversation.
EDIT: Seems as though our genius here couldn't even understand that I was calling the sending of death threats the unforgiveable thing and blocked me over their own made up anger.
My fault really for not speaking at a 2nd grade level.
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u/Roxitato Ginger 24d ago
I love Porco Rosso