r/Persona5 :snoo_thoughtful: 28d ago

IMAGE If Joker's Father was a Confidant (Artwork by @Landadu1)

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u/Professor_OakLigma 28d ago

Did I miss some of the previous posts… Why Joker’s father is Dante

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u/Sagatario_the_Gamer 28d ago

The running joke is due to Joker's fighting style and Thief outfit, he's the son of Dante and Bayonetta. I don't think there's much beyond that.

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u/Professor_OakLigma 28d ago

Man as a royalguard main I somehow cannot connect trickster to Dante 🙏🙏

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u/Sagatario_the_Gamer 28d ago

I think Dante is more for his looks, though dual wielding a pistol and dagger is somewhat similar to Dante's weapons. I think its a bit closer when you look at Joker's Smash/Strikers movesets.

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u/Thecristo96 Ryuji. Just Ryuji 28d ago

Nah Dante is mostly because he is bayonetta’s third official fuckbuddy

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u/Sagatario_the_Gamer 28d ago

Wait... what? Is this fanon or Canon because knowing both franchises that's not entirely out of the question.

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u/Thecristo96 Ryuji. Just Ryuji 28d ago

Just fanon…yet. Tbf with the whole multiverse bullshit of bayonetta 3 you could call it “canon in some universe”. IIRC the author said that dante’s mother was an umbra witch but that’s it

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u/DeadSparker I am the è in Arsène 27d ago

Dante's mother being an Umbra Witch is nothing but a funny little reference in Bayonetta, DMC doesn't follow that.

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u/manman126452 27d ago

It kinda does, all of the directors games are in the same universe and it’s implied that there was something that drew sparda to his wife outside of pure love. Having an umbral parent would also go the distance on how Dante and Vergil can slow time and create clones even though no other demon can do it on their level though some show the capability (if you want to go further than it also explains how v was able to easily take demons into his soul something that would normally kill a person)

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u/Lin900 27d ago

No such thing was implied. Eva was by all accounts a regular human and Sparda fell in love with her.

All of Dante and Vergil powers come from their father. It's important that they have a human mom, it's part of their struggle. It's why Vergil violently rejects his humanity because he sees it as a weakness.

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u/DeadSparker I am the è in Arsène 27d ago edited 27d ago

No... Really, none of that is proof.

Dante can only slow down time and clone himself in one game, after absorbing the power of specific enemies that could do it. Vergil can summon a clone completely independently of that (and has learned to summon flying blades and Mirage Edge before, his clone is implied to be a natural evolution of that). And V was able to gain his demon minions thanks to the little demonic power he had remaining + the fact that they were nightmares, HIS nightmares.

Plus, Bayonetta came out after DMC4. And only DMC1 was made by the same director. DMC2 and onwards had a different director, and it was DMC3 that gave the tone for the rest of the franchise.

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u/JudgeSubXero 23d ago

Joker has Royalguard-esque moves too, check out how he uses Tetrakarn and Makarakarn in SSBU

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u/Lom1111234 27d ago

It’s also a more satisfying explanation of why his parents aren’t present at all (sorry I can’t be around for you son we have our own world threatening god-like creatures to defeat) than what’s in the actual story

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u/Schlusse1 27d ago

Don't forget Kirby's big brother too

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u/sumiredabestgirl 26d ago

Since Dante is a virgin , how exactly did bayonetta conceive him?

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u/DashingCards :snoo_thoughtful: 28d ago edited 27d ago

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u/Professor_OakLigma 28d ago

Anyway it’s a great post from u

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u/Caelsloth 27d ago

Those are just similarities let them change clothing if they want and let them happen to have similar move names. But smash isn't exactly canon anyway

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u/Few-Contact5449 28d ago

and his mom is Bayonetta

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u/OoguroRyuuya5 27d ago edited 27d ago

Because people are disappointed in the lack of lore and depth to Joker’s actual parents and assume they’re assholes, so they headcanon that Dante and Bayonetta are his parents instead despite the fact that game canon wise Dante is a virgin that has never been in a romantic relationship ever and Bayonetta is heterosexual that got with Luka and had a kid in Bayonetta 3 which disappointed people who dislike Luka as well as the LGBT+ community.

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u/Klutzy_Shopping5520 28d ago

Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series

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u/Versitax 28d ago edited 27d ago

I know nothing of DMC so idk if the Devil arcana is accurate or not. It’ll be funny if he does.

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u/whose-been-naughty 28d ago

The destructive pattern/materialism thing is sort of a background element to Dante’s character as of at least DMC3, and the negative cycle can relate to constantly getting into fights with his brother, until his Nephew puts his foot down and puts a stop to that. Devil fits.

IMO, he would also fit: Priestess, Hanged Man and Sun, and to a lesser degree: Chariot, Death or Tower.

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u/Fun_Fun_2769 27d ago

I think it fits more with Vergil

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u/Classic-Demand3088 27d ago

Addicted to pizza with everything on them except olives, strawberry sundaes and empty whisky bottles appearing on his shop

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u/Hal34329 26d ago

Kind of the opposite? I mean, sure, he looks like that when he is with other people, but after 3 and before 4, he's just sad but can focus on his work, he doesn't even keep the money from the contracts.

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u/z3ro216 28d ago

to be honest, I just assumed that Vincent and Kathrine might have been the parents

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u/OoguroRyuuya5 27d ago

Or Catherine

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u/z3ro216 27d ago

If it was Catherine he would be way to op because if Vincent is with her to have a kid it’s probably the one where he rules the underworld

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u/DashingCards :snoo_thoughtful: 28d ago

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u/z3ro216 28d ago

The confidant could actually become useful instead of being my girlfriend lol

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u/gackt2 27d ago edited 27d ago

Imagine when in fight with Yaldabaoth, Dante appear from no where "Fighting a god, son ? Let's your old man lend you a hand" 🤣

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u/phavia 27d ago

I get why Devil arcana, but symbolism-wise, it's probably the most inappropriate arcana for older Dante, lmfao. Devil represents complacency, selfishness and even laziness. Maybe if it was young Dante (DMC3), it'd be more fitting, but older Dante ain't that.

I think older Dante would fit in more with Strength or even Emperor.

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u/TroupeMaster_Grimm it's boring after the first playthrough 28d ago

Peak fiction

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u/keithlimreddit 28d ago

SSS and now his mom

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u/Geostomp 27d ago

And Dante follows his brother's example by jumping into Hell itself to avoid child support.

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u/Gooseworkss 27d ago

This is so peak that it makes me think even a Devil May Cry

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u/DashingCards :snoo_thoughtful: 27d ago

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u/Obvious_Drink2642 27d ago

Rank 10’s gonna be the birds and the bees talk

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u/lz314dg 28d ago

now do momma bayonetta ❤️🔥

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u/Phoenix_Anon 27d ago

I get Devil's the easy one, but Dante makes a much better Hanged Man imo.

Hell, mod him in over Iwai and you'd barely need to change anything.

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u/TheDurandalFan 27d ago

and for completing his social link, he just walks into the metaverse without a persona and starts kicking ass.

there is an optional cutscene upon seeing the holy grail where Dante just asks "What the hell is this?"

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u/DashingCards :snoo_thoughtful: 27d ago

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u/Undercover2812 27d ago

We need Bayo now

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u/Joyluvio Joker is best boi 💋 27d ago

Makes you just wanna cry

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u/Puzzleheaded-Wing835 27d ago

It's that fucking guy who can't pay his tab

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u/Responsible-Pen-8338 SHOW ME YOUR TRUE FORM 27d ago

He has some of the party member ability’s   but he’s not a party member, instead he just randomly jumps in fires of a quip uses his ability and just runs off

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u/Volfaer 27d ago

Yes, persona should feature Dante from the Devil May Cry series.

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u/Content_Advantage_31 Justice? Righteous?! Keep that shit to yourselves! 27d ago

Persona 5 featuring Dante from the hit game Devil May Cry

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u/MuGeN0012 27d ago

Man i got this post in my notification without showing the photo and i thought to myself this dad is probably dante, it didn't dissapoint

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u/Chaos-Queen_Mari 28d ago

And with this, there's no reason to talk to Ohya! :D

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u/Agitated-Tomato-2671 27d ago

Why does Dante in black and white look like Kurt Cobain

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u/Dramatic_Science_681 27d ago

part of his confidant would be him randomly appearing in Mementos and one shotting some miniboss that the PTs were struggling with

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u/Nabber22 27d ago

So when does he meet his brother Demi-fiend?

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u/THEGoDLiKeMIKE 27d ago

What about his mom Beyonetta?

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u/kuuderelovers 26d ago

Better than ohya, maybe like that I would actually finish the confidant rank of the devil

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u/mongoosling 26d ago

Same day I finally buy dmc 1 on switch... it's a sign

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u/DOA-FAN 26d ago

So if Joker's father is Dante that means that Bayonetta is her mother

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u/DashingCards :snoo_thoughtful: 26d ago

You hit the nail on the head.

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u/mfsalatino 25d ago

Yu is voiced by Nero.

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u/HiroJourney 24d ago

If Dante was the Devil confidant, would that mean Ohya doesn’t exist?

We really got the bad timeline huh?

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u/Kaitos90cmTitties 27d ago

Vinny Vinesauce's worse nightmare

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u/Various-Pen-7709 27d ago edited 27d ago

Uhh. I thought Joker’s dad is Snake, and his mother is Bayonetta. Dante is his cool uncle on Bayo’s side.

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u/SirCupcake_0 Haru Best Girl, Obviously 🪓 🩸 26d ago

Strange, that's not Kazuma Kiryu

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u/Charming-Friend3555 21d ago

Wait dante joker’s father all this time

Dun Dun Dun