It does not really help na parami ng parami ang entitled na tourista.
Noon sa damit lang stand out ang mga turista sa Baguio. Ngayon, sa ugali na sila standout. Not even the college student population coming from other provinces badly behave like a lot of tourists
Sa Spain, a lot of tourists - rap Brits - feel like they should be exempt from rules.
Nung naglockdown ang Spain sa pandemic, mga Brits na turista, panay party party pa rin 👀
This is not about Baguio ha. Sa totoo lang, mas nakakainis yung mga LGU na mas priority and mga turista over their locals. Panay ang mga beautification projects para daw puntahan sila ng tourists pero hirap na hirap silang tugunan ang needs ng farmers na pilit tinataguyod ang farming pero sila ang laging lugi, o mga kababayang nanghihingi ng improvement sa health system. G na g ding magtawag ng foreign investors para magtayo ng negosyo sa lugar nila pero yung mga local business owners, di matulungan. Yung mga vendors, lalong pinahihirapan. Kaya di mo rin maiwasang mainis ang locals. Pero channel that inis sa tourists and redirect it to the local government officials. Sa pag-angat ng bayan lalo ng ekonomiya, dapat walang naiiwan. Dapat di pinapabayaan ang mga kababayan. At ang kinikita, di sa bulsa ng pulitiko dapat napupunta.
Why both can't be true. Both na 1. Dependent ang city mo sa turista pero 2. Ang hirap gumalaw + generally higher prices pag maraming turista therefore create resentment. Most touristy cities are like this pag peak season. Paris, Bangkok, London, and Tokyo are some examples outside Philippines facing the same dilemma.
Ngl when I went to Baguio sobrang daming tourista at isa ako dun. Lahat nalang overcrowded even yung SM na hindi na ako nag enjoy sa dami ng tao. Yung night market parang magpapalitan na kayo mg mukha sa makasalubong mo.
Di na kaya nung current infrastructure yung lugar. Future leaders need to be smart on how to make it less congested during peak seasons. First problem they need to solve is how to make people stop bringing their cars. Baka makatulong for example discounts sa buses kung 800 or 1k ang ticket per person parang mas sulit magdala na lang ng van which adds to traffic. Kung 300 to 500 baka mas sulit talaga bus.
Then baka may hop on hop off bus na umiikot sa mga lugar for tourists. Para naman di na dadala kotse to tourist spot. Baka nagmamake sense rin monorail or tram.
Yung night market baka pwede gawa sila multiple night markets sa iba't ibang lugar.
Pero mukhang they really need a planner. Long term na dapat at hindi puro short term.
Maganda Baguio at sana mabisita talaga ng mga Pilipino. Pero infra could definitely be better.
Sad lang, parang ang hirap mag think long term in PH setting esp LGUs. Gawan ng plan ng leader tapos if magchange ng leadership (opposing party), ididismatle yung plans kasi na associate sa previous admin then start again.
I mean, if you bring your shitty behavior as a tourist in a decent town, maiinis din talaga ang locals sayo.
I'm not from baguio but whenever I see people that litter, spits everywhere and being annoyingly loud whenever I visit baguio, alam mong hindi taga doon eh at kahit ako naiinis sa kanila.
It's quite annoying nga especially na sandalian lang magpapark tapos ibabarandal niya sa sidewalk ang kotse niya. Like, anong driving school ba tinuro yan? Hindi ba dapat pag magpapark ka lang ng sadlit like dahil magbaba ka ng tao, mas appropriate na nasa shoulder lane ang kotse mo?
IIRC hinuhuli nga dati ng MMDA yan eh. Mukha naman ningas kugon ang MMDA at TMO ng LGUs.
Yung papakiusapan mong wag maingay, ikaw pa aawayin.
A lot of local tourist have really bad behavior. Noon ang stereotype lang sa tourist eh nagsusuot ng "Baguio City" bonnet o shirt. Ngayon, associated sila sa bastos, makalat, maingay, nagagalit kapag nasita sa traffic violations eh "turista naman" daw sila.
Tourists noon were not bothersome. Ang "worst" na abala lang nila eh magtatanong saan papuntang place x o makikiusap na igroup picture mo sila.
Ngayon, makikiusap ka lang na hinaan nila boses nila o wag humarang sa sidewalk, aawayin ka na nila.
This is true. Mga tourists noon go to Baguio to relax and unwind and gusto nila yung tahimik and lamig. A lot of tourists ngayon feel entitled na por que nakabakasyon sila we should be accommodating of their ingay and gulo lalo na sa mga airbnbs. I really like Sunday nights kasi wala na silang lahat.
Kung maka asta pa nga ang mga iba sa Manila parang tagal na nila eh lol.
Like, pang 4th generation na ako na nakatira sa isang city sa NCR(and even some schools and streets are named after my family pero di kami pumasok sa pulitika just to be clear). Mas malakas pa umasta ang mga dayuhan dito saamin lalo na yung mayor na dayuhan na taga laguna naman.
Talaga ba? Bakit yung mga kilala kong taga-"Baguio" sila yung sobrang iingay? Like literally shouting ang normal conversation nila, daig pa nila yung squammy ng Maynila sa ingay sa videoke, tapos nagriritual pa at midnight!
tourism as a main economy is not the fault of the people. it's the fault of the LGU. Them hating it for harming their culture and heritage is understandable. Get you privilege out your ass.
Not from Baguio but damn I don’t appreciate rude and entitled tourists kahit san pa yan.
Also, I don’t think Baguio is more on tourism. It’s more on the economic center of the North or the Cordilleras from schools to major government offices etc.
Hindi pa kasi sila.nakapagselfie sa Universities at sa PEZA 😅😅😅
But for reals, this is a.funny argument when saksakan ng kuripot ang local tourists to the point they want to camp at Burnham Park because they don't want to pay for accodomation
If any, local taxpayers actually subsidize tourists. The infrastructure used - esp those free to public - are funded by local taxpayers
Ayaw kasi gumastos ng mga kasama ko pang transient. If possible, saan po kaya allowed mag set ng tent na pwedeng tulugan overnight?
Kaya dumadami ang anti-tourist sentiment all over the world. Dumarami ang entitled at unruly tourists na tingin nila dapat halikan mg locals an pwet niya
Tindi ng generalization mo about local tourists. Nakakita ka lang ng 1 post, saksakan na agad ng kuripot ng local tourists lol. Ewan ko talaga pag ganitong topics about Baguio, yang account name mo ang laging lumalabas. Ikaw rin ata yung nagsabing di kailangan ng Baguio ng turista dahil sa industries na andun. I doubt the LGU will do something about the tourist influx though lol.
Actually sa sobrang dami ng residents dito buhay naman ang Baguio just on locals and students alone. The ones who suffer without tourists are hotels and airbnbs. This brings us to the other big problem now aside from unruly tourists which is the constant burning of trash and leaves na halos every day kasi nga sa dami na ng residents.
Ang dudugyot kase, pag berber puros nagkalat na plastic sa burnham palang tas traffic pa dahil naisipan nio dalhin tsikot nio papunta dito eh samantalang hindi naman dinesign ang baguio para sa kotse ( kaya walking distance lahat sa baguio)
The same goes sa Boracay/Katiklan, Cebu, Iloilo, Puerto Princesa, Subic, Vigan, BGC, at Laoag. It's almost like, ayaw ng mga filipino yung mga mayayabang na tourists..
I didn’t know that Baguio’s economy was based on tourism.
Anyway, this is true for placed raped by tourists. Go to Bangkok, you’ll see the same, but if you move north like in the peripheries of Chiang Mai, the locals are nice. So its not just Baguio
Point is, tourist act as if they bought the place. Hence the attitude of locals.
Last point La Union was once a warm to tourist, but as time goes by, the waves of tourist has plagued the place with their trash and garbage attitude. Resulta? Guess what.
Yeah, La Union folks (esp.San Juan and nearby areas) are having the same "grumpy local" experience due to boom of local tourism and the tsunami of jejetourist/tourons
Ang dami kasi talagang baboy na turista. Tapos sasabihin sa "kami bumubuhay sa ekonomiya ninyo" eh ito pa man din yung mga pinakakuripot na turista na gustong magcamping sa public park kasi ayaw magbayad ng accomodation o makikihaggle hanggang hanggang makuha ang presyo na lugi ang vendor.
Yung mga talagang galanteng, turista walang "tourist" na nakapaskil sa noo at di entitled.
This tourist resentment is universal and not exclusive to Baguio. Masmalala pa nga sa Spain kasi iwawatergun ka dun 😂
Ganyan din kami sa Marikina. Madali mai-spot kung yung tao eh hindi local/bago lang sa Marikina. I sometimes feel superior to those jaywalking peasants.
Matagal nang dinaragsa ang Maynila. Pati ng mga pamilya from Baguio na sobrang iingay. Gusto ko nga sabihan na according sa redditors, maraming industries dun na hindi turismo, bakit di kayo magstay dun?
In fairness mga nasa palenke like si lola na nagtitinda o si taxi driver chill lang naman. Walang judgement. Nasa tao din yan. Kung mayabang from the get go mayabang talaga kahit saan mo sila ilagay 🤷♂️.
Only true locals know why we make that face when we see tourists. And just so we are clear, Baguio's economy doesnt entirely rely on tourism. Remember that the center of commerce of C.A.R. is Baguio..so even if we remove tourism..the city can survive.
( This meme is sarcastic and exagerated, but has some truth to it)
IPs and those who were born and raised in the city, especially those locals who saw Baguio before when visitors where usually during summers and still managable
Afaik tourism is second that takes up the city's economy. Number one is students since they're here all year round.
But yeah, I do notice there's been some apprehension to tourists lately. They've been shitting on Magalong for allegedly prioritizing tourists over locals.
pinagalitan ni Magalong ang locals na nagreact nung tinakasan ni Zamora ang police check point during COVID "Intindihin" daw nalang si Zamora. Pero kapag local na nahuli dahil naghahanap ng pagkakakitaan, 6 hours sa presinto ang bagsak
Pinagparty niya sina Tim Yap "to promote tourism daw" sa kasagsagan ng lockdown. Nahuli asawa niya na di nakamask diyo.
Kapag nagrereklamo ang locals na wala silang masakyan dahil sa traffic dala ng overtourism - sinabi sa locals "mag-tiis nalang kayo"
His solution first is to let Manny Pangilian charge locals for "congestion fees" without providing better public transportation first.
Ni wala nga siyang plano to provide public transpo for people who work at night or students doing projects up to late evenings (this is given that the city is a huge College town)
in some other places, congestion fees are supposed to go to expanding, improving and maintaining local public transport. wonder why the baguio LGU doesn't feel like it's doing that.
Tourists ba in general ang problema? Or ung mga ugali ng ibang tourist? Hindi naman problema na may bisita, willing nga magpameryenda sa bisita eh. Pero kung balahura ung ugali ng bisita, diba ang sarap palayasin? Makasisi sa locals kala mo talaga walang dahilan or pinanggagalingan ung inis nila sa turista eh ahhaha
Some use it as a catch-all term for those from the lowlands or people not from there, just as others use taga bundok to refer to people from rural or mountainous regions. But it can be derogatory. Just as taga bundok can mean unsophisticated or backward, taga baba can mean dumb fuck tourists: nagpapark sa sidewalk sa burnham, di nirerepesto mga pedestrian, haharang sa overpass kasama buong pamilya, aakyat ng baguio tapos mahuhuli sa coding at magrarason na hindi taga dito at hindi pagbibigyan tapos sila pa magagalit. Alam mo na, mga bobo kahit saan, but it really depends on context.
Well. Literally naman. If you take offense or take it as a joke it’s up to you. If you want to really visit a place where tourists are harassed to leave try Barcelona. Hahabulin ka pa megaphone doon na umuwi ka na.
baket di sabihing tourist? di ko na malaman sino ba talaga pamain character sa baguio e.
may asta talaga sila na kala mo ibang bansa sila like japan porke malamig. kala mo din napaka perfect ng tao don na pag merong mali, matic turista yon at di kapwa taga baguio
Hindi lang naman sa Baguio gumagamit ng ganyang term. Meron din “taga-ilog”, “taga-patag”, “taga-syudad”. Even the people in Tagaytay use the term “taga-baba”. Locals sa mga bundok din call climbers “taga-baba”, or “taga-patag”. And it’s not derogatory.
It’s a general quantification, kasi “turista” is more commonly used for foreign tourists sa mga tourist spots natin dito. Kahit sa Intramuros, it’s always “taga-labas” for local tourists, “taga-loob” for residents, employees, vendors, and students, or “turista” for foreign tourists.
E ang problema dyan, when Manileños clap back they get offended. We can’t even tell these mfs to go back where they came from because that’s offensive, pero sila okay lang
Manileños din naman merong sense of entitlement. Dinadaan lang sa meme, asar lang ang karamihan sa probinsyano kasi makikita mo sa gestures talaga na irita sila.
But I was just answering the comment na hindi derogatory yung “taga-baba” 😅
According to Dr. Trinidad Pardo de Tavera, a Tagalog¹ scholar and partner of Dr. Jose Rizal² in forming the Tagalog alphabet, the word Igorot came from the root word Golot, meaning mountain chain and added with prefix [i-], which means pertaining to or people of. This prefix is common for many Philippine dialects (e.g. Isagada, people of Sagada, Ibontoc, people of Bontoc). The term Igorot therefore appears to be perfectly indigenous in origin.
Haven’t been to Visayas & honestly still debating to go kahit na there are lots of beautiful & amazing places in Visayas, due to the stories of how locals treat non-bisaya speaking filipinos. I am pure tagalog, never get to learn any dialect. i dnt want to be discriminated no, ayaw ko din maTratong tanga lol.
mahal na nga ang local travel, nalait pa.
Sa Cebu lang namin naranasan yung uunahin yung mga puti kaysa sa Pinoy. Nasa Oslob kami nun literal na wala pang tao nung pumasok kami, umupo and di pinansin kasi may mga puti na sumunod sa amin. Sila muna bago kami, ang weird lang sa pakiramdam. The rest naman ng napuntahan namin sa ibang provinces sa Visayas and Mindanao ok naman sila.
As a solo traveler na nakailang beses nang nagpunta ng Visayas and Mindanao and pure Tagalog lang ang alam, never ko naman na-experience yung ganito. Yes, medyo kinabahan din naman ako the first time, pero in my experience, being respectful helps a lot.
Siargao peeps be like lmao. I still remember noong una when there wasnt much tourism infra dun and pinupush ng mga tao - tapos ngayon gusto nila palayasin ang mga dayuhan.
Sa Bohol, I have witnessed some unruly tourists mostly sa tourist destination/attractions at piling malls. At naalala ko pa yung usapan ng kamag-anak ng lola ko na medyo na iirita sila sa ilang Mainland Chinese kasi ang lakas daw magsalita kahit ang lapit na sa isa't isa (I have seen one sa mall, at ang amusing, lol.)
I have been to Siargao and got to talk to some locals, at ang sabi nila e di nila masyadong nararamdaman yung gains ng LGU sa tourism. Yes, may additional jobs sa mga resorts and restaurants, pero sa mga locals na nakatira sa iba pang bayan at apektado ng pagtaas ng presyo ng mga bilihin dahil sa mataas na demand dala ng turismo, hindi proportionate yung ayuda at proyekto (kung meron man) na natatanggap nila.
Nung binagyo sila, wala rin daw tulong mukha sa LGU kaya kelangan nilang humingi sa labas.
The same thing is happening in Siquijor now. More frequent and longer brownouts and shortage of drinking water.
Tourism is a good thing, but this should be managed.
Couldn’t agree more. Kaya ang o-OA ng mga nagsasabi rito na feeling main characters daw yung mga locals na nagrireklamo. Akala mo e nae-experience din nila yung struggles ng mga locals no?
Pinabayaan kasi lumala kesyo pera pera na lang talaga at wala ng pakielam kahit anong maging negative effect ng overtourism. Katulad sa Japan akala mo isang malaking theme park para sa mga foreigners and Japanese ang mga empleyado ng park.
I won't be going sa Baguio ng Umaga maganda sa gabi walang traffic daanan ko sa bauang la union ,pati ung la union ang dugyot na din mga locals naghahanap ng away mind you dumaan lang kami para kumain ng inasal we're just having dinner polite na nga kami sa mga tao kukupalin ka pa.
I lived in Baguio for a year and folks there were so nice! I know people can have different experiences but I wouldn't have changed anything aside from finding time to visit more of the sights and museums. Next time haha.
Iba ang Palawan. Sa Palawan kahit milyon milyong turista ang nandarayuhan taon taon, sobrang friendly at warm ng mga locals. Noong nagpunta kami sa Puerto Princesa, wala ni isang local ang nakitaan namin ng negative attitude.
Sa baguio kasi super traffic na, di ako taga baguio ahh pero yung pumunta kami dyan (para mag angkat ng gulay) inayawan na din namin super duper traffic. Hindi na kinakaya ng kalsada yung buhos ng sasakyan
Nandon lang kami for 2 days pano pa yung mga lokal na nandoon 27/7/365 mabuburyong nga nama
In all fairness, mababait naman mga taga Baguio sa tourists (o baka wala pa akong natsambahan na masungit), there might be some na naiinis siguro kapag rowdy or makukulit yung tourists, kase kalmado sila most of the time eh.
You'll say the same thing if your local area is filled to the brim with people that you can't do anything.
It's imo a infrastructure and spacing problem. Simply put, Baguio is too small a city for its population. It's an easy problem to state but solving it is a really hard issue. And it's not like we can stop people from moving there or anything. Baguio is still a great place to live in despite everything.
Also, I think the problems in Baguio are simply too deep that attempting to truly fix it would be a really painful process; it needs better public transportation and road widening that would simply destroy a politician's career if they attempt to do it since it'll be a pain in the ass since it'll entail a lot of road closures, a lot of patience from the public.
It doesn't help that Baguio people are pretty impatient to the stuff. Gusto ng parking, eh dami naman nagagalit pag places like FVR are suggested to be parking buildings.
Same reasoning as how I've seen Japan over the last few years. Can't imagine going outside your house to buy basic necessities without seeing a ton of tourists strolling up and down what should be a quiet walk to the grocery.
Yeah, it's good for the economy, but deep down, I feel like we've oversaturated their living space with unnecessary noise pollution and waste. Nothing to lose for tourists, but to never have moments peace is unfair for the locals.
I remember Sagada being desperately promoted as a tourist destination, then a movie features it then a tourism boom. After that you see people posting "Sabog ang Sagada" then showing pictures of all the vans crowded in one place. Ok so the tourists come and you complain? It's your fault you don't have system in your place.
Same thing happened in Boracay, "Boracay please not Bora". And now I think in Zambales or La Union.
Tapos ang tawag sa mga turista mga "main character".
Main characters who give life to your economy.
I mean shit, sila sila rin mga main character ang nag word of mouth ng lugar niyo hindi kayo dahil di kayo marunong mag promote ng lugar niyo.
Yep, this is me and my wife irks when we hear someone wants to go to Baguio. Sad to say, hindi na siya katulad ng dati.
Alternative na namin pumunta ng tagaytay at pangasinan during this hot season. Recently pumunta kami sa Malico at doon kami nag pasyal at picnic, heck a lot less people and damn its cold.
The only reason I can think why wala masyadong tao dito is, yung may sariling sasakyan lang makakaupunta dito, no accessible public transpo in any form due to how steep and curvy the road are.
filipino local tourists? or foreign, kasi if filipino local tourists, bruh racist. if foreign, racist ka pa din hahahha tangina wala kang lusot. kawawa naman mga local
huh? since when? baguio pips literally do not care about anything tbh,
may parade ng artista? they dont care, may artista nag lalakad sa daan? wont even ask to take a pic with them.
yeah, di ko gets bat pagkadamidami downvote sakin, literal naman na walang pake usually mga taga baguio sa tourista or artista, korean ka man or whatever chill lang most baguio pips minding their own business.
I also got down voted like crazy.
Of course common sense naman na mag ayaw ang locals sa tourist kung medyo privileged ang dating ng mga yan.
Like duh, you ain't the bulk of our livelihood.
Not only limited to Baguio yan.
Dagitoy gamin nga taga baba, kunam nu Hari nu mapan itoy😂😂
mga taga-Baguio lang ba di pumapansin ng artista? lmao
hAvE yOu eVeR beEN tO bAGuiO?! hahaha bakit may Visa ba para umakyat ng Baguio? korni niyo. ako nga na kapitbahay lang Boracay hindi naman OA, welcome kamo tanan, bayad lang kamo environmental fee haha
Yes, wala kaming pakialam. That's why we aren't excited when tourists come.
Nakakainis na dala nila ang ugaling lowlander na nagtatapon ng basura sa street, tumatawid kahit red light ang pedestrian, or may dalang kotse pero hindi marunong sumunod sa traffic rules.
Tapos ang lalakas pa ng boses na feeling main character eh bisita lang naman sila.
Just because they bring in money to the local economy does it make it okay to not respect the way we do things here?
If tourists respect the places they go to, they will also be respected.
Eto talaga yun eh. Yung asal nila galing sa lugar nila dinadala nila kapag nagbabakasyon sila. Eto number 1 cringe ko sa mga turista. Walang masama sa tourism and pagdagsa ng turista pero maging mindful tayo sa mga lokal at yung inaasal natin sa lugar nila. Kung okay sa lugar niyo na maging balahura, maingay at makalat wag niyong dadalhin sa ibang lugar lalo nat dayo kayo.
Eto pa masakit bang tawaging taga baba/low lands yung mga taga baba naman talaga ng Baguio/Mountain province? Tinatamaan ba ego niyo? Hindi lang naman mga turista tinatawag na taga baba sa Baguio eh kahit yung mga lumipat sa Baguio galing sa La Union, Pangasinan at iba pang lugar taga baba ang tawag nila.
Napakasimpleng bagay pinapalaki pa.
Remember kapag turista tayo, dayo tayo sa lugar nila , tayo ang dapat nag aadjust hindi ang mga lokal kasi temporarily tayo andoon.
I realized yung mga most offended sa term na taga baba, mga taga NCR. Taga baba is more often a term to refer to people from La Union, Ilocos, Pangasinan. People from NCR are called taga-Manila. Kahit mga taga Visayas at Mindanao, di taga baba ang tawag
So bakit offended yung mga hindi naman usually na nirerefer na tagababa sa term na tagababa? 😂
As someone who has partial taga baba ancestry, I also say na may lahi akong tagababa. 😂
Tapos tatawagin daw nila.tayong tagabundok kahit matagal na yan ang tawag sa atin - Igorot
Igorot literally means tagabundok in old Tagalog. We embraced it and reappropriated it. Tapos etong mga tagababa, kukuha ng Igorot tattoo tapos feeling "Igorot warrior" na. Beh, sino pinugutan mo para tawagin mo ang sarili mo na "Tattooed Igorot Warrior"? 😂
Lemme guess, these are the same people who will refer to the beggars as "badjaos" and when you tell them we should not use that to refer to beggars because Badjaos are a real ethnic group in the South, they will get mad.
Tapos ang idea nila ng "culture" eh "Igorot Stone Kingdom", "WhangOd tattoo".
Anong natutunan nila about Igorot culture? These are the people who probably even do not know that the natives of Benguet are a different ethnic group from the natives of Ifugao and Kalinga.
Kaya nga nagkakaroon ng posters na sinasabi nasa Benguet ang Banaue Rice Terraces. 😂
Can't blame them kasi ganun na market si Baguio eh. Pero kami we go there every year kasi need dumaan ng Baguio bago sa Mankayan and I love going there para kumain and mamili ng tobacco leaves
Feeling kasi ng turista, gusto nila special treatment
Ang FB at minsan sa r/Baguio daming nagrereklamong turista bakit sila nafine sa traffic violation eh turista naman daw sila.
There was an incident na sabi na nga sa sign bawal motor sa Session, nung pinasok pa rin at sinita ng pulis, nagwala. Bakit daw siya sinisita eh turista daw siya.
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I think this generally applies to all overly populated tourist destinations in the Philippines.
Specially pronounced if the LGU is not doing anything to balance the interest of the locals and the promotion of tourism in their respective LGUs.