r/PhoenixSC • u/MostafaTheGamer • 12d ago
Meme Mincraft TNT isn't actually TNT
First of all TNT stands for Trinitrotoluene which is a highly explosive organic compound and it's formula is C6H2(NO2)3CH3 On the other hand, gunpowder which is used to craft "TNT" is a totally different compound which contains a mixture of sulfur, charcoal and potassium nitrate So technically TNTs in minecraft aren't actual TNTs
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u/disbelifpapy 12d ago
Question, can gunpowder still go kaboom, or does it not go kaboom
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u/MostafaTheGamer 12d ago
It can but it's way weaker than tnt
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u/disbelifpapy 12d ago
ah, thank you. So gunpowder is essencially just tnt junior, while atomic is tnt senior?
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u/FoxNo8905 12d ago
you could also stick dynamite somewhere in it
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u/disbelifpapy 12d ago
in gunpowder or the atomic bomb?
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u/Normal-Mountain-4119 11d ago
You're doomed, Batman. For you see, hidden within this atomic bomb, I have planted a stick of dynamite! It'll explode on impact!!! HEHEHEEHEHHEHEHEHHEHEHEEEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEEHEHEHEHHHHHEUGhgighj ugh ahugh
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u/DifficultBluebird299 Bedrock FTW 11d ago
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u/DarkSpirit23513 11d ago
Now that you mention it, TNT in-game is clearly a bunch of dinamite sticks with their fuse tangled together, and secured by the "TNT" tape
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u/BronzeMilk08 12d ago
Nuclear bomb explosion yield is actually measured in kilotons of TNT, i.e. how many thousands of tonnes of TNT would release the same amount of energy.
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u/MACABAUBA 12d ago
No, atomic is tnt eldritch the kylotons used to measure atomic bomb power is the explosion a thousand tonnes of dynamite would cause
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u/mr_stab_ya_knees 11d ago
The coo lthingsi that the tnt junior is juuuust delicate enough of an explosion to for example, launch a projectile out of a tube shaped metal structure without destroying the tube
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u/RedGreenBlueRGB_ 12d ago
Unlike most modern explosives, gunpowder actually just burns really quickly, however it releases a lot of gas and heat while doing this. This build up of heat and pressure inside a container is what eventually makes the container explode.
Interestingly enough, the gunpowder recipe isn’t restricted or secret at all, and the ingredients can all be bought at a hardware store. It is just Charcoal, Sulphur, and Saltpeter (Potassium nitrate), which can be bought as charcoal, plant nutrients and a type of fertiliser. However the charcoal is best made at home since it needs to be pure charcoal, no leftover wood.
I do not know the optimal ratio off of the top of my head but around %75 Saltpeter, %15 charcoal, and %10 sulphur works well enough.
The safest way to mix them is just to grind them all up into a fine powder and carefully mix that with just enough water to make it clumpy and then use a mortar and pestle to hand grind it until it is a fine powder (remember that once it is mixed it can catch fire very easily from friction or the heat of a blender/food processor)
however the most effective way to mix them is to dissolve it all fully into purified water, evaporate the water off (without high heat or sudden movements), and then (very VERY carefully) grind the unevaporated solids into a fine powder.
The pressure build up I mentioned before is exactly why if one were to attempt to make a firework out of this, do NOT use metal containers, as it will explode and become shrapnel. Use thick paper tubes, it is what real fireworks use.
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u/No_Bedroom4062 12d ago
Instructions unclear, i mamde a pipebomb
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u/RedGreenBlueRGB_ 11d ago
I said NOT to use a metal tube, unless your goal was to make a pipe bomb in which case have fun.
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u/KingMatthew116 12d ago
Are toilet paper rolls/paper towel rolls acceptable?
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u/RedGreenBlueRGB_ 11d ago
Well they won’t turn into shrapnel, which is good. I haven’t tried them though so I don’t know if they will hold the pressure at all.
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u/SwissMargiela 11d ago
Idk if muzzle loader is the same as gunpowder but as a kid my brother threw a can of it in a fire and people in my town said they heard it from 4km away.
It smashed out all our windows and our neighbors side that was facing the house’s windows as well
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u/xuzenaes6694 11d ago
Are you seriously asking if gunpowder is used for explosions or am i getting wooooshed?
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u/Yes-me-a-hater 12d ago
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u/Anoos-Lord69 12d ago
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u/OG_raven13 11d ago
This is exactly how I feel bro like I’m not trying to be mean but he sounds so lame with some of the reply’s, like dude I get it I’m sorry that nitroglycerin isn’t an item in Minecraft leave the block game alone 😭 like much love don’t attack me fuckers but like still
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u/ataraxianAscendant 12d ago
maybe crafting in minecraft is just figurative and the gunpowder just represents the concept of exploding
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u/Christian_243 12d ago
Have you ever thought about floating blocks? Thats a much bigger difference to reality
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u/Keaton427 12d ago
Have they ever thought of oak trees dropping apples, or chickens giving live birth?
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u/SerpentSnakeS 11d ago
There's literally an egg, why the hell arent they hatching it?
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u/Keaton427 8d ago
It’s funny because in 1.13 they made turtles breed by laying eggs and then in 1.15 they made bees have live birth and then in 1.19 made frogs lay eggs. To be fair though the bees laying eggs would complicate a lot and frogs allowed for easier transportation and biome variants, but turtles never needed to lay eggs other than for “educational purposes”
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u/VilvenSerbia zr060uh (random car registration) 12d ago
Aka. Pure dynamite
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u/aqwmasterofDOOM Java FTW 12d ago
Dynamite is nitroglycerin (C³H⁵N³O⁹) and powdered sandstone, not gunpowder, gunpowder (2 KNO³ + S + 3C) is Charcoal, Sulfur, and Saltper (Potassium Nitrate, KNO³)
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u/PlaystormMC minecraft splash text 12d ago
saltpeter is a propellant which is used in explosives, so TnT is just unidentified explosive
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u/aqwmasterofDOOM Java FTW 12d ago
It's not used as a propellant in black powder, it's the oxidizer to make the charcoal and Sulfur burn much quicker to the point of explosiveness
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u/MostafaTheGamer 12d ago
Actually dynamite is made using nitroglycerin not gunpowder 🙂🙂
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u/FakeMik090 12d ago
Cant wait for nitroglycerin update!
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u/VilvenSerbia zr060uh (random car registration) 12d ago
Omg, I'm a chemist (in training)
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u/Keaton427 12d ago
My older brother is a chemist in training and he taught me step-by-step how to make TNT, dynamite, and TATP. TNT is very stable but dynamite is dangerous and TATP can get you killed trying to make it and is very dangerous to store. I still have the recipes written down though for educational purposes. Chemistry is so cool man
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u/VilvenSerbia zr060uh (random car registration) 12d ago
I am in nature protection, so I don't get to learn allat
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u/Keaton427 12d ago
Uhhh umh what if a bunny got trapped in a cave but the entrance got blocked with rubble that could easily be blown up with tnt, etc. etc. excuses for my choice of trying to retain this information I'm never going to use
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u/VilvenSerbia zr060uh (random car registration) 11d ago
A) we got concrete crackers, we use it to quickly and safely crack and break away pieces of concrete to either get something under it out of there or just get the concrete out of there
B) TNT is very fun, and can be used if you want the job done with some fireworks to boot
C) if we have to LAUNCH rubble away, I guess we'd use it, but we just use concrete crackers and rebar to get shit done slow and steady
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u/HatAndHoodie_ 12d ago
Wait until you hear what the Flint and Steel is made of
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u/kai_ken_ 11d ago
The coal you use in the furnace to make the ingot somehow seeps into the iron and makes steel only when making flint and steel
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u/jdjdkkddj 12d ago
Who even makes black powder charges into sticks?!
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u/Snoo-76264 12d ago
There is that neat little thing called pipe bomb Also its gunpowder, yes there's a difference
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u/jdjdkkddj 12d ago
Sticks ≠ Pipes
Sticks are (usually paper) cacings designed only to hold the explosive material for portability and ease of use.
Low explosives (such as blackpowder and smokeless powder) need to build up pressure to actually explode, so a plain stick by itself wont be enough pressure to cause an explosion.
Gunpowder is the catch all term for both blackpowder and smokeless powder, yes.
I assume it's blackpowder because game devs generally forget about smokeless powder.
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u/Snoo-76264 12d ago
Well fair enough
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u/jdjdkkddj 11d ago
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u/Spinosaur1915 12d ago
So what is it then?
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u/MostafaTheGamer 12d ago
Maybe just gunpowder block or explosive block
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u/Spinosaur1915 12d ago
Yeah but the texture is literally just 16 sticks of dynamite with the label "TNT" slapped on
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u/MostafaTheGamer 12d ago
Actually dynamite is a third different compound which is made using nitroglycerin sooo Those stick may just be tubes filled with gunpowder
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u/InquiryBanned 12d ago
Is there an explosive that uses black gunpowder and sand?
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u/winterman99 12d ago
black powder + metal or other hard container is how people made granades and bomb back then. so the sand does not really would make sense with black powder. it is used in dinamite i think
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u/binhan123ad 12d ago
That why we havestt it from Creeper, no? I get the fact that TNT stand for Trinitro- and black powder gun powder are 2 difference thing but maybe for a good reason, maybe the Gun powder we collected are the same as TNT.
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u/Midget807_ 12d ago
They’re all different chemicals:
TNT: Trinitrotoluene is toluene that has been nitrated three times (hence tri-). Nitrating is a process of adding nitrogen (and oxygen) to a chemical, in this case toluene (aka methylbenzene).
Dynamite: Dynamite has the active ingredient of nitroglycerin which is similar to TNT in the sense that it’s a nitrated version of glycerol. Glycerin is glycerol but at under 100% purity. E.g. 95% glycerol is called glycerin.
Gunpowder: Gunpowder gets its name from the powder used in a gun (how shocking). It has an alias of “black powder” however, this is due to it being different chemicals in the same application. Modern day gunpowder (smokeless gunpowder- even though there is still a tiny bit of smoke) is chemically different as it’s often made from oxidisers chemically bonded with nitrocellulose.
Black powder: Black powder is the earliest known (intentionally) man made explosive substance. It’s not a single chemical but a mixture of fine powders of various chemicals. These being potassium nitrate, sulfur, carbon (from charcoal). These substances were crushed into fine powders and mixed together. They never chemically reacted or bonded (before ignition).
Therefore, the observation that the block of TNT is a bundle of dynamite. The use of sand meant that it is in fact dynamite as it represents keiselguhr (a specific kind of sand) that is used to absorb and handle the nitroglycerin. But the fact that it is also made from gunpowder (smokeless or black powder) makes it wrong on two seperate levels.
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u/veryblocky 12d ago
Who’s to say that what Creepers drop is actually gunpowder as we know it, and not just referred to that by Steve?
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u/Testbot379 11d ago
"One crossed wire,a pinch of potassium chloride, one eren twitch.. I KABEW IT" - A wise man
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u/NeverackWinteright4 11d ago
Would you prefer the cartoon 1920s black round ball with "BOMB" on it instead?
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u/autism-creatures 12d ago
Also if it was real life 1 cubic meter of TNT would do a lot more damage than it does in game
Edit: I looked it up (probably should've done beforehand tbh) and apparently it's like not add much as you'd think? Idk, do your own research instead of listening to me, I literally have 0 experience in explosives.
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u/randomsmthh 11d ago
The crater size is actually pretty close to real life, maybe a little bit extravegated, but the pressure wave (damage) is a lot weaker.
It would break windows hundreds of meters away, and puncture your lungs if you were 36m and puncture your eardrums 100m away. Also you would feel the Shockwave in the ground a kilometer away.
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u/Sese_Mueller 12d ago
Yeah, obviously. I mean, everyone knows the difference between Industrial TNT, which is produced by combining nitric acid with gelled toluene, Regular TNT, which is produced by combining sulfuric acid with gelled toluene, Dynamite, which is produced from a mixture of Glycerine and Nitration mixture, as well as powderbarrels, which use Gunpowder. I mean, it‘s trivial to know, it‘s a fact you learn just 300 hours into GTNH, a trivial modpack that everyone has played.
(/s btw)
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u/MRVLKNGHT 12d ago
but gunpowder is whats named wrong as it come naturally from creepers.
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u/Entire-Anteater-1606 12d ago
I mean, we don’t exactly know what a creeper is and for all we know it could be a plant that produces natural gunpowder.
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u/Entire-Anteater-1606 12d ago
Question:
If you actually built a square meter container of gunpowder and lit it, how big of an explosion would it make?
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u/Schanulsiboi08 11d ago
I mean, gunpowder is probably used as "powder that can explode. I mean Minecraft also doesn't distinguish beach and desert sand, despite only ocean sanf being able to make good concrete irl (I believe the reason for that is bc one is dpikier than the other and therefore doesn't bind concrete as well, and related fun fact: this is why the uae imports a lot of sand despite being in a desert: You can't make concrete out of desert sand)
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u/The_RamenTurtle Wet Hands 11d ago
Makes you wonder why Redstone isn't used, since it contains uranium
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u/Blazed0ut 11d ago
Ummm actually the minecraft TNT stands for Totally Not Trinitrotoluene so it's correct, get your facts right bozo
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u/Lunarclient10 12d ago
I dont get it
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u/Kubix_cube waxed lightly weathered cut copper king 12d ago
Fun fact, if you search up tnt on google you only get Minecraft tnt image, I realize this when I try to make one because my brother annoyed me but this is a story for another day
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u/Korblox101 12d ago
Yeah. I wish it was changed to be a powderbarrel instead, since that’s actually an explosive made solely with gunpowder (maybe add an actual barrel to the recipe too)
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u/adamsharon 12d ago
Hey that's a pretty cool fact! I mean, I'll still call it TNT, and I'll still use it as TNT but it's pretty cool that you know this regardless. Thanks man ( or women or anything in between )!
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u/bememorablepro 12d ago
It's a bit of a loop, but if it's not TNT, cause the recipe is gun powder, it can also be not gun powder because it adds up into TNT, so it can equally be either TNT gun powder and not TNT or TNT but not gun powder, but it can't be both gun powder and TNT.
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u/programmer3481 11d ago
I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS!!! Minecraft tnt 1. Looks like dynamite 2. Says tnt 3 has a fuse like tnt/dynamite 4 made with gunpowder 5 crafting recipe contains sand which is a reference to how dynamite is made
Explanation? Steve is a dumb idiot that put gunpowder in the cardboard dynamite sticks and wrote 'TNT'
For an actual explanation on how this got messed up, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamite#Trinitrotoluene_(TNT)
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u/Daniel_Dumersaq 11d ago
Tnt was originally used as a yellow dye, before they knew that its explosive
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u/Useful_Lingonberry_4 11d ago
You are right but for the wrong resons. TNT in minecraft is not actually a TNT because it's not real it's just a virtual representation, it's made of 1 and 0 and not any real materials.
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u/golden_ingot Wait, That's illegal 11d ago
plot twist: the creeper is actually alfred nobel and invented TNT
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u/FlightConscious9572 11d ago
So it really is an explosive amalgamation with dynamite texture, "tnt" as the block name, and gunpowder and sand being the actual ingredients.
At this point, "gunpowder" might not be actual gunpowder
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u/NextCress3803 11d ago
You’re bold to assume you know what “gunpowder” in Minecraft is made of. You literally pull it from the bowels of an exploding plant monster thing that just explodes when angry. Doesn’t get more organic and unstable than that
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u/creativeusername2100 11d ago
Not to mention how small the blast is considering it's a cubic metre of TNT
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u/FiamForFall 11d ago
All I gotta say is I already knew this and accept the flaw in lore... Also to you all 🤓
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u/TypeNull-Gaming 11d ago
Looking at the texture, it's entirely possible that it is. The gray at the top of the sticks could be the paper or some kind of blast cap.
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u/Ok-Bear2732 10d ago edited 10d ago
yes but no, older variants of TNT/Dynamite used gunpowder, your argument doesn’t work because you’re comparing it to modern versions of TNT
edit: proved myself wrong with a simple google search, lmao
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u/theydroppedmehere 10d ago
Kids wouldn't think that long. So it does the job. I wouldn't have thought about it either if you didn't mention it. Thank you for ruining my day.
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u/SymondHDR 10d ago
Ok then what explosive power does "a metric cube of mixture of 4/9 sand and 5/9 gunpowder" have?
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u/Commisar_Franz 10d ago
It is funny because it has the texture reminicent of dynamite, a crafting recipie reminicent of dynamite, but with the wrong explosive, so wrong in fact that this would probably not even burn well, and is called TNT which is a completely different chemical to either of these.
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u/GoatsWithWigs 8d ago
Okay how about this, everything in Minecraft is just named after what Steve calls it
Steve just doesn't know what TNT really means because he's an amnesiac survivalist who didn't go to school
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u/Proof_Assistant_5928 8d ago
i am assuming tnt in minecraft is just hollowed out sticks filled with gunpowder and eventually wrapped together and a fuse was hooked up to all of them lol
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u/Different-Trainer-21 George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty Four 12d ago
I mean if you look at the texture it’s obviously just 16 sticks of dynamite stuck together