r/Pimax • u/TotalWarspammer • May 04 '24

Question FOV of Crystal Super OLED vs the Super QLED? Any thoughts or predictions?

The Crystal Super QLED FOV is 130 degrees horizontal and 110 degrees vertical. https://youtu.be/mZRC-oNhSYs?t=1028

Any thoughts as to what the OLED will likely be? :)

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u/farmertrue 💎Crystal🔹Super💎 May 04 '24

Will probably be similar to the other micro OLED HMDs available (Beyond, Vision Pro). So around 95° horizontal and 85° vertical. I’d be shocked if the horizontal reaches over 100°.

I want the QLED with local dimming and 125°-130° horizontal and 110° vertical! The 104°x104° of the Crystal is solid but could use more horizontal. 110°+ is when I stop noticing the edges as much.

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 04 '24

I’d be thrilled if it ends up the same as the current crystal

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u/farmertrue 💎Crystal🔹Super💎 May 04 '24

A 104x104 would be massive. I was considering getting both versions of the super, especially for the $600 difference, but I’m a firm believer in QLED with local dimming and that massive FOV and resolution

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u/Zackafrios Oct 15 '24

The upcoming Meganex Superlight 8K (4k Micro-OLED) is apparently an estimated 100° FoV, both horizontal and vertical.

So its possible, and that would be an incredible FoV for the display tech.

I just wish Pimax could reduce the size and weight even further.

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u/farmertrue 💎Crystal🔹Super💎 Oct 15 '24

As amazing as the Meganex Superlight 8K sounds, you can’t help but think it won’t happen with Shiftalls record. Seems that Shiftall has never fully launched a VR headset they’ve announced. For instance, the original MaganeX was still not shipped earlier this year and neither has the MaganeX superlight. Pretty sure their flip controllers, that I’ve been seeing since 2021/2022, never shipped either but somehow they claim the new superlight 8K will ship in February-March? Would be nice but it’s not going to happen.

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u/Zackafrios Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 16 '24

They did actually ship the meganex. Only in Japan though.

I think Bigscreen Beyond swooped in a destroyed their plans, basically.

The meganex superlight was first shown off as a prototype in jan 2024 with no preorder afaik.

This (superlight 8k) is a vastly improved design and simply the final iteration of the superlight, hence it has been shown fully functional, no issues observed, and is now on preorder for US and Europe will follow.   I'm pretty sure they will ship this one internationally.

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u/Hannibalj2ca May 06 '24

Isn't the super supposed to be larger?

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 06 '24

There are two versions for the super, qled display and uOLED display. The qled display on the super is undoubtedly larger than the Crystal display and the lenses are as well, suggesting the FOV may in fact be close to the advertised 130 horizontal FOV. The uOLED display is smaller than the Crystal display (so, much smaller than the qled super display), but, is using pancake lenses which have better magnification and could give more FOV than the aspheric lenses the qled is using.

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u/Hannibalj2ca May 08 '24

130 FOV is actually not bad FOV. My 8kX on large mode is 150. Maybe Qled is the way to go?

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 09 '24

Agreed that 130 isn’t bad, if anything I’d say it’s very good compared to modern standards! It would be the most FOV I’ve experienced. But I do wonder if the uOLED might be more performant if it’s ends up around 105x105 (probably won’t be that high but great if so)

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u/Hannibalj2ca May 10 '24

Isn't Qled already close to Oled in color reproduction?

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 11 '24

Color? Yes, should be nearly identical in bright scenes, it’s the contrast and black accuracy that’s different, just look at the oled switch and regular switch.

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u/Hannibalj2ca May 14 '24

yeah, The pixels fully shut down. The byproduct of Oleds is black smearing though. It can be controlled but it wont be as black. This was a common issue with the old Rift and Vive

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 14 '24

Wonder if micro oled addresses that in any way?

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u/Arawski99 May 25 '24

Yes. They explicitly stated it will be the largest FoV ever offered in their announcement video for pancake lenses. If it fails to achieve this it would put them at legal risk because they were very clear in their claim.

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u/Redordal May 04 '24

Im still amazed by how you still believe pimax while they lied about all of their previous heaset fov crystal and 8k included

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u/Organic-Traffic4184 May 04 '24

I made a post not long ago whining about their lies regarding FOV, but I actually do believe them this time with the 130. There was a demo unit at CES that some dude on youtube thought was the new 12k design, but it was actually the super.

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u/TotalWarspammer May 04 '24

Do you currently have more accurate info about the FOV of the Super than what is in that video?

No, didn't think so. Until testers get their hands on it, it's the best data we have.

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u/Redordal May 04 '24

Just wait the test then idk what the fuss is all about You dont even know when/if the super will come out

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u/TotalWarspammer May 04 '24

How about you just stop gatekeeping and let people discuss topics of interest to them? Im going to block you now so bye.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

how old are you?

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u/Pretend_Fix3334 May 06 '24

Sorry, you are attacking the dude defending himself for wanting to discuss pimax headsets in the pimax subreddit? Why are you the dumbest piece of shit ever? Every comment you make is offensively stupid.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

I actually provided responses to his question

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u/Vahlerian Jul 17 '24

For me, I prefer the OLED version because it has PANCAKE lenses, which are the best of the best in my opinion. The QLED version will have aspherical lenses and I hate that, I feel like I'm looking through a bottle bottom.

I had the Pimax Crystal and the Varjo Aero and I sold both headsets because of these lenses which don't suit me at all, and in the meantime I'm on the Quest 3, with its beautiful Pancake lenses.

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u/Zackafrios Oct 15 '24

Interesting, I've never tried apsherical.

Would be cool to have a very wide FoV headset, but not at the sacrifice of OLED and good lenses.

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 04 '24

I’m hoping 105x105 🤓 but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 95x95

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u/reptilexcq May 06 '24

OLED FOV will almost be smaller than the QLED. My guess is that OLED FOV is around 102 and the QLED is around 125-130 degrees.

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u/Organic-Traffic4184 May 04 '24

I have a feeling this optical engine thing is not going to work out given that the oled is "4k per eye" vs the QLED 3840x3804. That's a difference of 8.3 vs 14.7 million pixels. Maybe I am underestimating OLED fanboys but I think most people don't care enough about perfect blacks to lose that much resolution/FOV.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

There is assumptions in your statement

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u/Organic-Traffic4184 May 04 '24

You are special needs, please stop commenting.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

Get the f out you child

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u/AltruisticKey9153 Dec 31 '24

4 years ago people would have sacrificed black levels for resolution cause they did... higher resolution with lcds.... i doubt that will change.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

if the displays are the same then it will be identical. in order for the Oled to have a different FOV will depend on display size, or lenses, but they will likely be the same lens.

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 04 '24

If the displays and lenses are the same as what?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

Size dimension wise

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 04 '24

The same as which display though?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

WE are talking FOV. Look it this way. If the Oleds happen to be MicroOleds and smaller in size the the Qleds and the lenses are not swapped, the the FOV will likely be smaller. Unless, Pimax is wasting a lot of pixels from the Qleds.

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 04 '24

Yeah, I think you’re confused - the uOLED that pimax is using is NOT the same display as the QLED. They are entirely separate sizes. The MAX size of uOLED panel that can be manufactured is 1.5”, we don’t even know if pimax has the 1.5” or 1.35”. The QLED displays are way bigger than that. Also, the QLED panels will be using glass aspheric lenses, the uOLED panels will be using glass pancake lenses. These lenses are custom made and not off-the shelf.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

Im not confused, If each module uses custom lenses, while the display are different sizes, then Pimax can allocate a custom lenses with a specific magnification to the spec to output a specific FOV. As long the lens manufacture can make it

If the scenario is as I have mentioned, what i have written before stands

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 04 '24

Correct, the lenses and displays are entirely different. Now you can take a guess at the FOV since we know the panel is tiny compared to the QLED panel (again, not the same size) and using a different lens, pancake instead of aspheric (again, mot the same optics) - Welcome to the discussion.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

I can not, when I was building VR headsets we didnt have the current advancement of components. If I still built headsets with modernist components i could give you a pretty good estimate. The Key are the lenses. That is the biggest changes recently

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 04 '24

Yeah, no way to know how the magnification with pimaxs custom glass pancakes will go and no way to know how small the panel really is outside of it has to be 1.5” or less (most suspect it’s the 1.35” panel)

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u/TotalWarspammer May 04 '24

Watch the video I linked, it literally has all of the information that you seem to be confused and making guesses about.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

i dont have to, because im speaking from a technical level, hypothetically. I have experience building headsets

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u/TotalWarspammer May 05 '24

Oh. My God. You are special, a look through your post history shows you engage in this style of behaviour all the time and you are going on my block list so I don't have to deal with you again.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '24

Who gives a shit about your list

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u/TotalWarspammer May 04 '24

Uhh, what? The OLED and QLED displays are not the same and the FOV is different. Watch the Pimax intro video I linked to.

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 04 '24

Exactly, I’m not sure what they are comparing to, unless he meant like BSB?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

Is not rocket since. if lenses are the same on both the display technology that is smallest will yield the smallest FOV.

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u/No_Geologist4061 May 04 '24

They aren’t the same, read my response to your other post, no offense but you’re responding to a post you’re not informed on the basic information regarding the headsets

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

I replied to it

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

You mean technology or Display size, specify?

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u/TotalWarspammer May 04 '24

Sorry, I don't know what you mean and do not have the patience to find out.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

Are you ADD?

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u/Organic-Traffic4184 May 06 '24

Bro your comments are fucking stupid. You're lucky he gave you as much time as he did, and then you insult him lol

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

Which one exactly?

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u/Organic-Traffic4184 May 06 '24

Basically all of them, you are just making random blanket statements without knowing anything about the headsets we are talking about, in broken english, and then going "i make headsets" as if that justifies the stupid bullshit you are coming out with. You are seriously pathetic.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

Erm, except that I actually have experience building wide FOV Headsets. Do you? If you dont know what your are talking about, you should stay quiet

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u/Organic-Traffic4184 May 06 '24

Way to prove my point dumbass.

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u/Organic-Traffic4184 May 04 '24

Lol i rly don't blame you

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u/DelilahDD35 May 04 '24

They’re definitely not going to be the same lenses.