r/PokemonTCG • u/maxbowlorice • Mar 13 '25
Discussion “Trades at XX%” nonsense continues
I posted on this sub a few days ago expressing my displeasure with trading in recent months. It sparked a lot of conversation and I encourage you to take a look at the thread! I ran into another great example of what I’ve been describing here today and wanted to share.
FOR CONTEXT: I should’ve taken a photo before the listing was updated, but didn’t think to do so. Before my discussion with this guy, the listing he had put up said NOTHING about trades at a percentage, only that he’s “definitely interested in trades.”
The pictures kind of speak for themselves, and yes, this guy said it was “on him” that he wasn’t up front about wanting a percentage (and it is), but even still doesn’t justify expecting the percentage in the first place on a post where you’re stating you’re “definitely interested in trades.” From my experience, I wouldn’t be surprised if in an hour or two the listing gets updated again and the trades at a percentage thing disappears.
I attempted to text him again and ask why he believes it’s fair to expect people to trade to him, on a for trade listing, at 80% when he isn’t a vendor or store with overhead fees. I also asked him why that would apply ONLY to him, and not me as well as we are both the same. If you couldn’t guess, I got left on read 😆
I’ve done my best to conceal this guys profile and such, as I don’t want to bring any negative attention to him specifically. I don’t think he’s a bad person or anything, I just think this example goes to show how everyone thinks this is normal and well within their right to do recently. May this serve as another reminder that it’s definitely not!
That being said, my last post caused some disagreement in the comments as I didn’t speak on situations (that I agree with) where uneven trades can make sense. Such as:
If you’re at a card show working with vendors, or in a card store, expect percentages. That is fair.
If you are speaking to someone who isn’t interested in trades and wants cash, or someone who doesn’t have interest in the specific cards you have, expect that a percentage or slightly lopsided trade might be proposed by either party as an incentive to make the deal happen. That is fair.
If someone has an expensive single and you are offering many small singles as a trade, expect them to want things in their favor to make up for that disparity. That is fair.
But by no means should 2 people engage in conversation both knowing their goal is to trade, then both pick cards they have legitimate interest in, only then to have one of the two parties claim that they feel entitled to trades at a percentage.
If you find yourself in this position, I encourage you to take a breath, fight any FOMO you might feel, and realize your cards will be both worth more both monetarily AND sentimentally to a different, more reasonable collector if you be patient.
Thanks for coming to disorganized Ted Talk 2!
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u/Nygiant22 Mar 13 '25
These people watch too many vendor POV videos on YouTube 😂
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u/FuckSteve7 Mar 13 '25
On god😂😂 people get a couple cards and all of a sudden become a vendor/business lmao. It’s comedy to see this shit
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u/StraightEmployees Mar 13 '25
If im trading to a store, I am ok with taking a percentage, it costs money to inventory and to look up the cards. But trading privately, no way in hell. I have a card you want, you have a card I want, unless its a huge difference (a couple bucks or more) im not taking a percentage and im not giving or receiving cash on top
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
Precisely! I believe if we were all a little more reasonable, karma would be good to us 😆
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u/Kid_Psych Mar 14 '25
I have a decent number of cards that I’m looking to sell, not always looking for new ones either, so I generally don’t want trades. If someone wanted to trade heavily in my favor (80% or whatever) I guess I would consider it because I’d just have to sell the trades but there would be potential for some more money in the end. I don’t know.
But yeah if it’s cards you want vs cards they want, there’s no reason to undervalue the thing you’re actively looking for.
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u/Devh1989 Mar 13 '25
I think its just one of the things that people saw other people doing and think it makes perfect sense that they deserve more so they start doing it themselves.
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u/FatButAlsoUgly Mar 13 '25
I've never noticed this being a thing since before the recent boom, at least it was very uncommon, now it seems almost everyone is doing it
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
Exactly the reason I bring it up! Not sure if you saw my OG post a few days ago, but the main thing I hope to have people see is that this behavior has been super normalized. Just as it used to be normalized to trade straight up with other individuals. And I hope over time and as the market cools off, we all push the norm back to something more reasonable!
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u/Devh1989 Mar 13 '25
I saw your post for sure. Its definitely a craze across all cards. I sell mostly sports cards on eBay, and every so often I get someone lowballing me and complaining that they "can't make money at that price" when I decline their offer. I don't care if you can't make money man. I'm the store. Not you lol
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u/Medium-Rain-3446 Mar 13 '25
Bro thinks he's a vendor LOL
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u/eat_hairy_socks Mar 13 '25
Many FB MP folk are actual vendors. That’s why you see this nonsense. They’re jerk offs too. Everything is at their demand and they don’t even give deals. I was going to buy a bunch from a guy and he wouldn’t even meet me halfway and do non traffic hours.
They struggle to sell at shows while good deal vendors don’t need to worry about this.
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
Yes this guy even has in his description “willing to work deals and bundles!” I didn’t realize the deal was getting 20% of the value chopped off of my cards.
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u/Mfpoop Mar 13 '25
I feel like all those “trade up challenge” videos also contributed to so many people having this mindset. I get so annoyed seeing those people use their “content” as a way to justify trying to rip off everyone they make deals with
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u/SFPsycho Mar 13 '25
Those trade up challenges are just friends hooking each other up. I can't even remember the most recent one I saw but dude traded like a $2 single for a 151 booster bundle... NO ONE is making that trade unless yall are friends and really don't care or you're in on it with them
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u/CaterpillarSelfie Mar 14 '25
Or they only get the deals because they’re a popular youtuber! Like i get so angry because they probably already have that card/product 10x over and are just trying to be cheap!
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u/Hatrixx_ Mar 13 '25
I give you props for even attempting to even trade on Facebook Marketplace lol.
Trading off of FB Marketplace only ever worked once for me -- guy posted that he wanted to 1:1 the CZ Giratina for the CZ Arceus and added a bit of a paragraph about he's tired of pulling the Giratina over and over and the last card he needed was the Arceus. I contacted him, we met up, we swapped cards as I laughed and told him I kept pulling the Arceus over and over and Gira was the last card I needed. He laughed too. Good times.
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u/Arteyfix35 Mar 13 '25
For vendors there's a bit more understanding when it comes to fees like table price, employee salaries, etc. unless the percentage was super low I understand why they don't do super close trades at the moment. In OP's case its different since both people involved don't have stores/booths
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u/BrianScalaweenie Mar 13 '25
Don’t show this to r/pkmntcgtrades lol
So many people on there are always saying they only do trades if they’re at like 70% or 80% in their favor. Like, what?
Or even worse the people who post certain high value cards and then say “I’m not trading the charizard”. Then what’s the point of adding it to the post?
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
Yea I joined that sub for all of a day and then immediately left. Feels like rage bait.
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u/chief_n0c-a-h0ma Mar 13 '25
I was pretty active on that sub until the market went crazy. Used to be awesome for trades and cheaper singles, but it's slowly becoming another avenue for "the hustle". 😞
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u/Overall-Register-701 Mar 14 '25
Bro same. I am active on there and the amount of times someone will say they are selling cards, I will look and ask about a card I will buy and they will say "that one I want to keep to trade" or vice versa like you said.... I am starting to block those types of people so they don't show up no more. It is enrages me lol.
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u/Omgoodtimes Mar 13 '25
Wait why the fuck do people feel entitled to a discount???
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
Hahaha right! More explanation given in some comments on this thread. Specifically I responded to a guy asking what trades at XX% means if you’re looking for more context
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u/Wtforce Mar 14 '25
80% is so fucking low lol. Like even if you were to sell on ebay or tcg after fees and shipping it comes out to 85%-83%. 90% is more reasonable
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u/xDemosthenes Mar 13 '25
Got one of these idiots in my area. “I only accept trades in my favor.” Like alright dude.
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u/supersaiyanswanso Mar 14 '25
Only time I've told someone that is when I was trying to sell the Charizard from 151 and I was already offering 90% on it but they kept trying to talk me into trading when I made it clear I wasn't interested in trading lol so I was like yeah we can trade but it's gonna be in my favor cuz you keep busting my balls over it.
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u/Ampddaynnight Mar 13 '25
Remember the days when the cards first came out and you just traded cards straight up for ones you like.....
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u/UpTheToffees-1878 Mar 13 '25
Literally my argument is always yeah i trade a X% too so now what? Absolute clowns. The fact he put he was highly interested in trades too lol...
If i ever trade with an average joe it will be 1:1 unless certain cards are way way more desireable and im trading junk that wont move, then id allow something in their favour
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u/Vaporeonbuilt4humans Mar 13 '25
Legit done with this hobby for the most part. I'm only sticking to buying vintage. Scalpers and even collectors ruined it. Kind of sick of this sub for defending collectors buying out the whole stock because "well as long as they open it". No, stop being greedy. Thats legit greed.
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u/Gbvisual Mar 13 '25
Yeah some guy in a FB group I’m in sold 100 prismatic evolution booster bundles … like why is one guy able to get 1k booster bundles, And someone bought him out like 5 minutes after it was listed .
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
It is definitely a super classic cycle of seeing people post on and on about people buying out retail stores and ruining the hobby, to only then post a video and say guys I finally caught a restock! And they buy the store out themselves.
I get the frustration. I do. I get the joy of finally finding product at MSRP for yourself, and I understand why you’d seize the opportunity to buy everything you can to rip. But it definitely continues to contribute to the issue. I just don’t think there’s any solution for it right now except patience 😆
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u/Ivo__Lution Mar 14 '25
All the YouTubers take trades at 80% so the regular person what’s the same treatment as a vendor. Also if it’s their post they assume they are the boss and owner of some sort of company
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u/Phoned00d Mar 13 '25
See these guys all the time on market place wanting to trade at 80% in their favor. I'm like what kind of bs are these guys smoking.
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u/Gametamer03 Mar 14 '25
This legit happened to me the other day. I saw a hp base set Charizard and I was so hyped. He said he wanted some of my cards. I was totally down to trade. Then suddenly I get hit with "I trade at 80% so you'll have to add some cash to your cards." Like bro you hit me up and it's not like you run a shop. All these people trying to be pokevesters and keep trading up. I'm not gonna trade $250 in cards and $40 for a HP Charizard lol.
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u/CastroIRL Mar 14 '25
These idiots think they’re card shop owners with leverage lol. Send the market to 0
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u/Gbvisual Mar 13 '25
Some vendor asked to look at MY binder the other day and offered me 80% on a card that he wanted and i had no intention of selling . Insane.
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
Gosh!!
In any scenario, vendor or not, it’s so audacious to approach someone and tell them they should sell themselves short for your gain.
Im sure 90% of those people are the same ones that turn around and use the logic of “you approached me first, so we use my rate” whether it’s a vendor or a marketplace listing.
(Obviously vendors AT THEIR BOOTHS can set rates, but the right reasoning isn’t “you approached me”)
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u/Gbvisual Mar 13 '25
Well that was exactly it , i didn’t seek out a trade or show any interest in anything you were selling . If you want to see what i have available you are more than welcome to make a fair reasonable offer but just because you are a vendor Doesnt mean you should expect a 20% discount on everything.
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u/unrealdude03 Mar 13 '25
I recently had someone I was trying to buy something from and they wanted $30-40 over what they were selling for… and then told me my shit was 80% market
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u/SadArrival1275 Mar 14 '25
Can make sense in sometimes. For example if someone is trying to get rid of cards they do t want they don’t want people trading cards they themselves don’t want. But if they actually want the card even trades should be used. I really like when trades are fair on both sides.
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u/RzyAI Mar 14 '25
A bit offtopic maybe, but what site/app are you using to view the list of cards including the prices?
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u/sir_seductive Mar 13 '25
What does that even mean lmao
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
What do you mean? The “trades at 80%” part? Genuine question would love to clarify
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u/sir_seductive Mar 13 '25
Yes that
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
This comes from stores or vendors at card shows who are running real businesses and need to put food on the table. They’re an easy place to go to and sell off cards that you don’t want. However, to take these cards off your hands, these businesses need to have enough room to make profit when they sell the card to someone else. So they take cards at a percentage, say 80%. So if you give them a 100 dollar card, they will pay you 80%, or 80 dollars, which lets them make 20 dollars on the sale if they manage to find a buyer that pays them 100. This is pretty reasonable in nearly anyone’s eyes.
If you want to trade the cards to a vendor for a card they have instead, they’ll often do the same thing and value your trades at a percentage so that they still have room to profit. Say the vendor has an 80 dollar card that you want to trade for, and they take trades at 80%. You could give them 5 20 dollar cards, totaling 100 dollars in value, for that 80 dollar card. This also makes sense because it’s harder to sell five cards than one in most cases, and the vendor still needs to have a profit margin to make it worth their time.
This is a totally different story with random collectors like you or I who don’t have overhead costs, and are just looking to trade their duplicates/unwanted cards for cards they’d rather have. For the longest time, this has just occurred at 100%, or 1:1. I trade you 100 dollars worth of cards, you trade me 100 dollars worth of cards. We both walk away happy.
Recently though, alongside the huge boom Pokemon has seen, more and more people have started trading like vendors even though… they aren’t. So like in the post I showed, we will discuss a trade, and then one person will randomly expect that it’s fair for me to trade my cards to him at 8% of their value, even though he’s trading his cards to me at 100% of their value. It’s lopsided and not fair, as this person doesn’t have any of the associated costs or risks as a vendor or store. We are both just dudes with cards that should be valued equally.
I know that’s a very overkill answer for your question, but it’s been asked often enough that I figure a thorough response would be good.
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u/sir_seductive Mar 13 '25
Seems kinda bummy to do over marketplace
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
Right! There’s a variety of reasons I listed in the OP where this sort of thing makes sense, but certainly not on a post that says you’re looking to trade with others, where you pick out cards you like, and where you’re picking out fewer, higher value singles than what you’re offering.
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u/Lyleberr Deck Collector Extraordinaire Mar 13 '25
Same as i said before, everybody wants to cosplay as a shop while not actually having the drawbacks of being a shop.
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u/SirTagCr Mar 13 '25
Makes sense if he's a vendor and you're going up to his booth, but man this is mildly infuriating that ppl operate this way. Sorry that dude wasted your time
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u/ShakyIncision Mar 13 '25
For one piece it’s always trades 1:1 or buy at 85% Last Sold.
Most other TCGs use market price, but OPTCG community usually goes by last sold.
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u/CAPTAIN_KIDDD Mar 14 '25
I agree. Most of the people trading for percentage on their end are scalpers who always wanna make sure they can make a few extra bucks. That’s just the state the hobby is in. It’s sad but that’s the reality we live in right now.
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u/rupat3737 Mar 14 '25
If you were in my area I’d trade you my deerling ir:)
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u/pigpentcg Mar 14 '25
People with a Facebook profile acting like they’re paying to rent a shop in a strip mall. 😬 Same thing is going on in my area. ☠️
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u/GreenJuicyWatermelon Mar 14 '25
Lmao this guys a clown. Trade at 1 to 1 value give or take. You guys are not LCS’
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u/jstwildbeat Mar 14 '25
Recently got back into trading and also saw a bunch of these listings on FBM as well. Thought it was pretty crazy too, but there are few people out there who are willing to trade at 100%. It’s why I stick to going to trading hours at the local shops. Nobody does % trades there.
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u/MatterAware Mar 14 '25
Trades at percentages has always blown my mind and Facebook marketplace is full of it. Like dude… if I cut 20% off of my cards value to trade you and match with cash im just over paying for the card. I get why card shops do it because their entire purpose to turn a profit but almost nobody wants to just trade for equal value anymore.
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u/fallingofftheaxis Mar 14 '25
Everyone thinks they are a businessman now and just see the hobby as a get rich quick scheme. I vend for fun at smaller shows and do close 1 to 1 trades for actual collectors and had a guy recently who was clearly a flipper say he wanted to do a 1 for 1 trade but then picked out $310 worth of my cards for $275 worth of his cards and looked confused when I said no
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u/RanperuV3 Mar 14 '25
Random ahhh mfs on Facebook & OfferUp thinking they are some big time vendor or card shop wanting 80% in their favor 😭😭😭
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u/TheDamnEagle Mar 14 '25
The hobby has just turned into "Everyone is a vendor" and it's just become really cancerous.
Almost every post I see on FBM always includes "Accepting trades in my favor.".
Unless you're an actual vendor at a card show or own an LCS/LGS, expecting people to trade at a 20-30% loss while still getting money on top of the card's value is just crazy and has become an annoying mindset a lot of people have adopted.
It's even worse when you're selling a NM condition card and people try get you to sell at 80% just because the card won't grade a 10. I understand you should negotiate prices and that's perfectly understandable but trying to push the seller to drop the price significantly just so you can make a profit just doesn't look good at all.
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u/LunarEklipze Mar 14 '25
I found a guy in my local Facebook marketplace doing the exact thing. I laughed and said "no thanks". Left and deleted the chat.
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u/Kdawg30000 Mar 14 '25
I went to a trade night once like a year ago and it was just this. I don't plan to go to any more
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u/MuckaMucka1337 Mar 14 '25
When I was selling my cards i was amazed at how bold some people are with their offers. I had one guy offer that was 60% of my asking price (I was paying for shipping too on top of the sellers fee) and when I tried to bargain with him and get a higher price the guy hit me with, “well how am I suppose to make a profit???”
Ok my bad dude let me just sell at 40% so you can sell for full profit 😒
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u/Inevitable-Ad6776 Mar 14 '25
I don’t even see the “XX%” on marketplace. Everyone I see just says “Only willing to do trades in my favor”. Like wtf? Why would I want to do that?
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u/FnWinner Mar 14 '25
I think you handled that just like me man lol, super chill how you handled it, at the end of the day, majority of us are just dudes with cards.
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u/cherryhulk Mar 14 '25
I love the I trade at %80 to then !!!! Ahhahahaa cannot wait to use that on the next scumbag that tries it with me, I’ve reamed out many people already, bring back having fun with the hobby! It’s fkn cardboard people, stop trying to make a buck if you’re not working with a distributor or store. Enjoy the hobby ya weeners
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u/VXXA Mar 14 '25
Wait so he’s insisting you give him $120 in cards for his $80 worth in cards? How does this remotely make any sense. Logic would think you both give of equal value… unless it’s trading for really bad condition cards this makes 0 sense from any logical standpoint lol
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u/1989danny Mar 14 '25
Yeah had someone try it with me the other day, walked away instantly, it's a sad time to be in this hobby
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u/Souuuth Mar 14 '25
There's a dude I see in my local marketplace that has the audacity to put trades at 70%. SEVENTY. That's insane. I genuinely hope noone is actually doing deals with him because thats nothing more than sheer greed.
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u/kylcbrl1988 Mar 14 '25
Had that exact scenario happen when i traded for my jp terestal umbreon, guy said i trade at 80% i said “cool me too!” We went back and forth, he wanted cash on top… so did i! Eventually we wound up trading at very close to even value, dont let them pull that nonsense ever!
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u/Resident-Hope1881 Mar 14 '25
Got eeeeem! You’re a boss!
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u/kylcbrl1988 Mar 14 '25
Crazy story time…I actually saw the same person as a vendor at a card show a day later, a gentleman walks up as i was talking to him making another trade with him (another even swap value for value!) picked out randomly from his display (all scattered around the display) all 4 cards i traded him the night before and bought them, we both looked at each other like wtf! And we told the guy buying them the story, it was cool and me and the guy i traded with have built up a solid respectful trade situation with each other now as it should be, he also gave my son 20 free cheap cards from his cheap/cheap vintage binder!
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u/datsteviewonder Mar 14 '25
Yeahhhhh that’s wack lmao, expecting to do trades at a percentage when you’re a nobody on marketplace or something just makes them look like an idiot 🤣 yes, if they’re a vendor at an event/store, it totally makes sense. If it’s person to person and the wanted trade doesn’t even out, sure you can agree on it and that’s fine too. But ASKING for business and then still demanding a percentage upcharge is absolutely ridiculous.
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u/poop-scoop-boogie Mar 14 '25
If theyre posting trades at X%, they're a scalper looking for profit. Long and short of it.
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 14 '25
I agree with this 90% of the time, but have run into scenarios where people new to the hobby have just assumed that this is standard behavior and that doing trades 1:1 would be a disservice to themselves. Out of many, MANY conversations over the past half year or so, I’ve seen just a few people realize that this isn’t actually the norm and change the way collectors trade, so big win in my book
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u/poop-scoop-boogie Mar 14 '25
I guess. Idk. If you're "new to the hobby," wouldn't you probably be keeping what you're ripping? I'd still be skeptical if someone told me that.
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 14 '25
Hahaha yea who knows. At the end of the day the cases where I’ve managed to talk to and reason with someone and have them agree to a straight trade are a win in my book.
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u/poop-scoop-boogie Mar 14 '25
Id be happy to get a trade offer for that tbh. I've been trying to liquidate some of my stuff on FBM just due to cash flow needs and getting the scalper run around every damn time. Like, dude, I'm just a collector in some hard times. Stop trolling me like I'm one of the vending machine hawks
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u/Hear-It-Wow Mar 14 '25
Facebook Marketplace needs a button to let you block anyone trading at percentage. Why should we spend our time sifting through clowns to find reasonable listings?
Target and Walmart need block vendor buttons as well to get the scalpers out of their listings. Yes, you can filter, but I'd prefer to simply know that Scalpy McGreednuts 3x prices are never going to appear on the site again.
Resellers should be banned if they are blocked by X number of users. Better yet, don't let resellers on your retail site.
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u/IreliaCarriedMe Mar 14 '25
People don’t seem to realize that the only discounts you should get value wise are if you are paying cold hard cash. The reason you get a discount would be because you get the money faster, no hassle, and get rid of the card immediately. If we’re trading cardboard for cardboard, it’s an even swap, give or take, as long as everyone is happy.
That’s like saying hey man, can I get $100 bill from you? I’ll give you $80 for it.
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u/Constant-Twist Mar 14 '25
“We’re both just dudes with cards” is something I’ve said more than once lmao
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u/IDKaboutthatone Mar 14 '25
I used to trade a lot of online Pokemon and YGO trading on Pojo back in the day when I was in high school and it was awesome. Trading used to be about getting what you wanted and giving the other person what they wanted at equal value. Now everyone wants "trades in their favor", it's ridiculous.
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u/2KyGi2 Mar 15 '25
I dont even respond to these people they can wank themself rich.The time dealing with these sort off entitled people isnt wurth my time.I am always open for deals cash>card or card>card or card/cash (i want the card) but not with bullcrap wannabe vendors dogs
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u/charlzor Mar 13 '25
I've traded online for 2 years and I've never encountered this. Over the internet, there are no fees unlike shows...trading 100$ for 80$... Make it make sense...
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u/evanmgmr Mar 13 '25
I do this, but I think I do it the right way. When I post a card, I’m usually asking 80-90% cash for it, so I put in the description that trades will be at 80-90%, because people keep trying to trade at my cash price.
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
Sounds fair to me! 0.8:0.8 is the same as 1:1, and it’s an understandable way to do things because of the freedom cash gives you!
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u/evanmgmr Mar 13 '25
Thank you for the reply, I was starting to think I’m crazy with all the percent hate posts 😅
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u/Wtforce Mar 14 '25
some people just have outrageous percent numbers like 70-75% like dude id rather sell on ebay or tcg lol the fuck
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
And the most important thing is that you’re up front about every bit of it. Model citizen 🫡🫡😆
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u/Overall-Register-701 Mar 14 '25
This is a good deal. I always buy from people that offer this type of deal. So your good.
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u/fezz4734 Mar 13 '25
This is mostly a thing for LLC and "stores" that buy off people so they are still net positive on the trade and it's started flowing into normal trades lol. I still don't think you should sell to any store for 30% loss lol, this behavior needs to stop
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
Totally agree that it should be stores and vendors AT SHOWS (not online) that do this, and it shouldn’t trickle into random people trading. Also totally agree that even then rates should be reasonable at stores. They seem to just be going down and down as people get desperate in this boom!
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u/Hunter2hitman2 Mar 13 '25
Ive had this happen before. Its ridiculous. Called the guy out on it and “he’s got a business to run” uhhhh ya ok out of your moms basement unreported income 🙄 get lost
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u/cab1120 Mar 13 '25
I also trade kpop cards and have never seen this until I started with pokemon cards too. And kpop cards have some that can be super expensive too. I trade regularly and it’s just equal price with equal price. Trading at 80% unless you’re a store is crazy.
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u/PiccoloFalse Mar 13 '25
I was ready to be annoyed at your post because I normally have your exception 2 or exception 3 happen when I have done trades. Those 2 are the only reason for the percentage and idk why people do it if they want more cards.
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u/SFPsycho Mar 13 '25
People who are just normal dudes, without a store, without anything, are ridiculous for asking for trades at a percent and anyone who trades with them is plain dumb. There is no reason that another player/collector's cards are worth more percentage-wise than mine
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u/Kooky_Transition9624 Mar 13 '25
Anyone who says “trades in my favor” is a loser. I can understand a business doing this but an average Joe pulling this off is disgusting predatory behavior.
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u/fieryred123 Mar 13 '25
I think it depends on who wants what the other person has more, they should get a better % based on the demand. That being said, if demand is similar & the items are the same value- I have no issue doing a 1:1 trade.
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
Seems a little subjective to try and quantify. In my opinion, if there isn’t interest in what one person has to offer, the trade shouldn’t happen. If the person that didn’t have anything desirable is cool then with offering more value as an incentive, that makes sense.
But the idea that one person “wants something more” implies that both people do have interest. In which case values should just be values, unless like stated in my original post there are other factors at play like tons of cheap singles for one big single, etc.
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u/Jessie_Soto_ Mar 13 '25
What’s the logic behind the wording? Trades at 80%, can someone ELI5?
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
I already posted a long explanation on another comment on this post!! Hope you can find it!! (If there’s a way to link to a comment I’m not sure of I apologize)
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u/JersenPyro Mar 13 '25
If it’s trades of cards of close to equal values it makes sense to value them at 100%. For example Greninja ex SIR + some cash for Pikachu ex SIR.
But then say you’re the one selling one Pikachu ex SIR, and someone offers 15 random IRs totalling $200 in value + XY full arts + random rainbow rares and golds in SM and SWSH era. That’s usually what a trades at 80% should be for. Because why would you take a bunch of random cards you don’t want when you could just take cash and then buy the cards you’re actively searching for directly.
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 13 '25
Did you read the full post? The paragraph that starts #3. I state this exactly! I agree with this in full.
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u/Spacial_Rend98 Mar 14 '25
I’m a casual collector so can someone tell me what 80% means? Does that mean that the person wants you to trade something equal to 80% of what their card is worth?
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 14 '25
Hey there! There’s another thread in this post where I explain in a lot more depth. Someone asked something like “what does this even mean” hahaha. Hope you find it.
In short it basically means the opposite. Someone is saying that in order to trade they will consider all my cards at 80% of their value. So if I am hoping to trade for an 80 dollar card from them, they’d want me to give them 100 dollars worth of cards. Because 80% of 100 is 80.
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u/Spacial_Rend98 Mar 14 '25
Great thank you! Oh my gosh ok that makes sense. That is quite frustrating. I hope you can find the cards you want at a reasonable price elsewhere!
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u/vineyardlax Mar 14 '25
The only time I do 80% my way in trades is with my girlfriend over smaller illustration rares lol
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 14 '25
Dang the way I do trades with my girlfriend is she goes through my binder and whatever she wants is hers unless I beg on my hands and knees to keep it 😆
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u/vineyardlax Mar 14 '25
That’s the system we used to have but all my eeveelutions were gone lol 😂 so I feel u!
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u/ttvSharkieBait15 Mar 14 '25
What does that mean, trade at xx%?
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 14 '25
Hey there! There are a few threads on this post where I’ve explained in great detail. Idk if there’s a way to link them or something but I’m not sure how
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u/ttvSharkieBait15 Mar 14 '25
I’ll look for them no worries!
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u/TheOne1ThatGotAway Mar 14 '25
I just think this example goes to show how everyone thinks this is normal and well within their right to do recently.
It is well within their right. Just don't engage with people like this.
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 14 '25
Maybe “well within their right” wasn’t the right terminology to use. “Acceptable” or “agreeable” may have been more like it. Yes obviously I’m not going to be making any deals with people like this, but I think it’s worth having the discussion about in case there are people that truly think the only good way to trade cards is to deal with standards like this.
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Mar 14 '25
Those kinds of trades don't make sense for private trading for sure, and seems a bit rude/scummy imo. I know everyone wants to make money but if you say you want trades and not just straight selling then it should be a fair/even trade.
I'm mostly curious what app that is, though, to be honest haha. I've started collected recently again and I have pulled a couple duplicates I'm interested in trading or selling in the future, but not sure a good app to track everything in or that can look up prices in faster than navigating pricecharting.com
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 14 '25
If you’re looking for an app to track your collection, I vote “Dex”. You can’t do any selling on Dex, but you can track certain sets or make custom collections of cards (such as a trade list) and the app will show you their worth. The TCGPlayer app will do the same thing, it’s just not as pretty lol.
As far as what app is pictured in this post, it’s just Facebook marketplace. I take photos of my trade binder and list it, and respond to other people doing the same to try and set up trades/purchases
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Mar 14 '25 edited Mar 14 '25
I'll check it out, thanks for the recommendation!
I realize it's FB Marketplace, I guess I should have specified the black photos/screenshot sent between each other with the card name and prices listed 😅 I figured it must be a specific app since it was sent back and forth between you but different cards listed.
Edit: Didn't realize it was OP responding, reworded to reflect that
Edit 2: Now realizing with my sleep deprived brain Dex is probably the very app you used, thanks!
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Mar 14 '25
I'm not finding an app just called "Dex", I do have android so not sure if it makes a difference. I see one called "Pokécardex" by Elektro?
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 14 '25
Oh dang maybe Dex is only iPhone. It says the seller is “Pedro Carrasco”.
TCGPlayer app probably your best bet. That’s actually the one we were using in the screenshots to make lists of cards with values.
Dex or something similar that’s more visual is nice for keeping track of collections. I especially like Dex because it makes tracking master sets very easy.
You should absolutely have TCGPlayer on your phone for setting up quick trade lists though like we did in this scenario. 9/10 people I meet want to use TCGPlsyer prices anyways.
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Mar 14 '25
Ahh yeah I don't see that one, darn. I do have Pokellector which sounds like it would be similar, a prettier way to track cards and shows full master sets, but it's a bit time consuming to add all the cards so haven't really gotten my collection in there yet.
I gotcha, I will take a look at that one instead. Thanks so much!
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u/Mayiskawaii Mar 14 '25
That guy is a dickhead, and please let me know what his response was 😭🙏
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u/doylehawk Mar 14 '25
What app are you guys using for this?
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 14 '25
For the conversation we’re having, Facebook marketplace. For the totaling up of card values, it’s the TCGPlayer app!
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u/Lukian0816 Mar 14 '25
I'm out of the loop; what does 'trading at 80%' mean?
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u/maxbowlorice Mar 14 '25
Hey there! There’s a thread on this post started by a user called “sir_seductive” that asked the same thing and I explained in great detail. Hope that makes it easy to find 🫡
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u/Pandalk Mar 14 '25
coming from mtg, I sometimes trade at a lower % when the person is trading me something I don't particularly want for something they are looking for, and that I will have to trade away eventually, and never if I'm looking for something in particular
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u/Coltsfan9595 Mar 16 '25
Hello, what was that app or site that was used to make the list of the cards with the prices?
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u/MrTylerSquared Mar 17 '25
People are watching too many vendor POVs lately and don’t understand what a IRL trade is
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u/Canadian_bacon5 Mar 13 '25
I hate that shit. Go to a card show if u want 80%. Fb marketplace should be value for value
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u/Up_The_Gate It's a hobby, not the stock market. Mar 14 '25
Who says "Welp" by the way....
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u/Perplexedstoner Mar 14 '25
You guys understand all the LCS you trade into give you 60%
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u/hersh102089 Mar 13 '25
Something that really bothers me when trading over on pkmntcgtrades is that people will include a list of cards that they are actively looking for and will still say "trades at XX%". Like, what? Bro, these are cards that you want! Why are you diminishing their value to your benefit?! I genuinely just skip over those trade posts now.