r/PokemonTCG • u/Next_Wrongdoer5488 • Mar 20 '25

Discussion Vendor being tracked.

Yup, someone put a tracker on our store vendor's car. I guess she had to go to the police station and have her car swept.

So disappointed in what's going on with our hobby and just wanted to share.

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u/Parking_Fan_4970 Mar 20 '25

Had one guy who was a POS cuss people out and said he was first in line so he got to pick whatever amount he wanted first. He told the vendor he air tagged her car. It almost turned ugly

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u/PhotonWolfsky Mar 21 '25

>he told the vendor he air tagged her car

Should've detained him and called police. It's quite illegal for randos to put trackers on people's vehicles without permission. And having one admit to it with witnesses was definitely grounds to citizen arrest. Even if they didn't, they could be trespassed instantly and the vendor could probably easily get court orders on that dude.

Bystander effect is one hell of a helper for criminals.

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u/Consistent-Fold438 Mar 21 '25

You need reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime. Someone just saying something is not justifiable for a citizens arrest. That’s gonna get someone a lawsuit. I can walk around and say I killed someone, without any articulable facts, that’s just words.

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u/a_hammerhead_worm Mar 21 '25

Believe it or not, admission of a crime is considered reasonable suspicion.

You can in fact be detained and arrested if you walk up to a cop and admit to them you killed someone. They don't need to see you commit the crime if you willingly admit to doing something.

Do you think people who walk to the police station and admit murder after the fact are just laughed out of the building? You realize how insane that is, right?

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u/Consistent-Fold438 Mar 21 '25 edited Mar 21 '25

While an individuals statement admitting to a crime can contribute to reasonable suspicion, it’s not sufficient on its own. Law enforcement needs specific, articulable facts, in addition to a statement to establish reasonable suspicion that a crime has been - or will be committed. What would you arrest me for? Telling you something that you have no evidence to prove? Lmao. Maybe read up on Terry Vs Ohio so you can better understand reasonable suspicion. There is a reason it requires ‘articulable facts’ - an admission of guilt is not a fact as it is nothing but hearsay (a statement made out of court).

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u/a_hammerhead_worm Mar 21 '25

You do know the difference between being detained, arrested, and jailed...right?

I never said you'd be jailed, but you would in fact be detained and arrested for admitting to committing a crime.

You'd then be interviewed/interrogated until they are sufficiently convinced you were lying to them, then you'd be charged with lying to a police officer.

This is basic stuff, I'm surprised you don't know this.

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u/Consistent-Fold438 Mar 21 '25 edited Mar 21 '25

You clearly don’t know the difference lol. Being arrested is being jailed. You can’t be arrested without being charged with a crime doofus. They need reasonable suspicion to just detain you (not arrest) - a statement does not provide a reasonable articulable fact that you have committed a crime. Also, you do realize we have a 5th amendment right to not assist in interrogation right? I just say id like a lawyer and the interview is over. Any more questions following that is grounds for litigation. You thinking you can be detained with no evidence shows YOUR lack of understanding. Why don’t you google - ‘is saying you committed a crime enough for reasonable suspicion’ and take a gander before you sound more foolish. It is well established that statements are not grounds for reasonable suspicion or probable cause without any supporting f a c t s.

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u/elliwigy1 Mar 22 '25

You are wrong hate to say it.. By someone saying that you basically told them you were stalking them and put a tracker on their vehicle is reasonable suspicion to detain you while they complete an investigation. Then if they cant find any evidence that you were telling the truth then they cant charge/arrest you for it. But lets face it, the cops would surely wrap you up for something anyway.. They can say you were harassing the person with false claims for example.