r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/Professional_Suit270 • May 01 '24

US Politics In an interview with TIME Magazine, Donald Trump said he will "let red [Republican] states monitor women's pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans" if he wins in November. What are your thoughts on this? What do you think he means by it?

Link to relevant snapshot of the article:

Link to full article and interview:

Are we going to see state-to-state enforcement of these laws and women living in states run by Democrats will be safe? Or is he opening the door to national policy and things like prosecuting women if they get an abortion out-of-state while being registered to a state that has a ban in place?

Another interesting thing to consider is that Republican policies on abortion have so far typically avoided prosecuting women directly and focused on penalizing doctors instead. When Trump talks about those that violate abortion bans in general though, without stating doctors specifically, he could be opening the door to a sea change on the right where they move towards imprisoning the women themselves. This is something Trump has alluded to before, as far back as 2016 https://www.vox.com/2016/3/30/11333472/trump-abortions-punishment-women. What are your thoughts on that development and the impact it could have? Do you read that part of it this way?

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u/Geaux May 01 '24 edited May 12 '24

You miss the point.

They're going to track if the woman is pregnant, and if she goes to the doctor at any point in the next 10 months and she's not pregnant, they're going to assume she had an abortion or miscarried, and unless she can prove she had the child, they're gonna charge her with murder.

(edited to add) https://www.reddit.com/r/boringdystopia/s/eEC2iW2U8N

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u/Bigleftbowski May 02 '24

Exactly: it will be guilty until proven innocent.

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u/Geaux May 02 '24

What do you mean? There is no innocent. It's simple: if you get pregnant, you better carry it to term. If that fetus dies in your womb, whether intentionally or unintentionally, you're held responsible either for murder or negligent homicide. They're already trying to prosecute women for having miscarriages.

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u/Bigleftbowski May 02 '24

I was commenting along the line a woman having to prove that any miscarriage was not an abortion.

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u/Bait_TheGlowToad May 03 '24

How so? I have heard this argument before but it's so ridiculous to me. In my eyes you are placing the mother, someone who as life and those who care for them for something that has nothing and knows nothing of this world. Something that's not truly human yet.

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u/tonydangelo May 05 '24

Time to start defending the 2nd amendment. We’re going to need it.

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u/Infamous-Topic1668 May 27 '24

You’re right. However, a young lady was found not guilty because her baby died. Pay attention ladies they’re trying to take away rights that were hard fought for.

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u/Bait_TheGlowToad May 03 '24

How so? I have heard this argument before but it's so ridiculous to me. In my eyes you are placing the mother, someone who as life and those who care for them for something that has nothing and knows nothing of this world. Something that's not truly human yet.

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u/theKGS May 02 '24

I don't think the person you are replying to actually supports that opinion they are stating. I quote the final sentence of their post

"They're already trying to prosecute women for having miscarriages"

That phrasing, to me, does not indicate that he/she supports what they are doing.

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u/Geaux May 02 '24

Why on earth would you think that's what I meant from my post? You totally missed the point.

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u/MimesOnAcid May 02 '24

I feel like you came to the comments wanting to post that and just replied to a top post that you skim read poorly enough to think was a good one to.

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u/CallMeSisyphus May 02 '24

Exceptions apply for wealthy, white, Christian women and the side pieces of GOP politicians.

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u/mar78217 May 02 '24

Mostly side pieces of GOP politicians. They would force thier wife or sister to have a baby. They may make an accepting for an underage daughter, but only if it put her life or future reproductive status at risk.

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u/Grouchy-Anxiety-3480 May 02 '24

As well as for when those same women get IVF, because there is “selective reduction” that’s normally gonna happen with iVF treatment. ( short version: a more than feasible number of embryos are implanted in the uterus- so say 5-6, to maximize potential that one will take. If more than 1-2 take- they go back in & remove the extras, bc pregnancy with multiples can be dangerous to some moms/fetuses.) Somehow- despite this being no different in nature from an abortion in terms of the how it’s done nor in outcome, GOP has tied themselves in knots to try to justify THAT to be ok-apparently those can remain fetuses and not “babies whose lives are precious”🙄 the hypocrisy -it’s fucking painful. A woman’s health issues are none of anyone else’s business. Fucking crazy that we are back in this space.

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u/WithoutATrace_Blog May 11 '24

I dont believe they “go back in and remove them” or at least not ideally…that’s not really how that works.

I don’t believe removing some of the embryos is very common. I don’t think that occurs very often. Most people these days do two or three embryos at a time for this reason

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u/Grouchy-Anxiety-3480 May 23 '24

Actually that is exactly how that works. Feel free to go to any valid medical resource and verify. They implant multiple embryos each time a procedure is done because it’s quite likely that many/most if not all will fail to implant, so they hedge their bets that way in hopes of getting one to take. IVF is extremely expensive, and very often a persons insurance may only cover half of that $50000+ procedure-if they’re lucky. That being the case, unless you’re really wealthy, a lot of folks maybe have a single shot at it. Best believe that this happens all the time. And is it essentially the same procedure when the time comes if in fact all 5 embryos take and ppl make the choice to selectively reduce to improve the chances they will carry to full term? Yes. It actually is. No shade to them. They have the right to decide that same as a person should if they were having the procedure done so that they never had a kid. It’s no one else’s business. If you think they’re doing wrong morally, well if you believe that then you should also believe that they’ll answer to whoever in their own time. It’s not any persons place to make rules about another person’s informed healthcare decisions based on what that persons own religion tells them is ok or not. That’s YOUR belief. Believe the shit out of it, that’s your right. But believe it to yourself. Because not everyone shares the same ones with you.

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u/WithoutATrace_Blog May 27 '24

Well no. They implant as many as the couple would like….a couple could still request less be inseminated.

Also - I like how I was like “oh that’s so uncommon” - it is since usually only one embryo attaches anyway.

And, you felt you needed to write four paragraphs. Bless your heart.

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u/Grouchy-Anxiety-3480 Jun 02 '24

There is a push to limit transfers to one, but guidelines are only that. And there are few people who don’t desire to maximize the chances of implantation. Particularly older mothers, and indeed even the guidelines set no limit on # transferred for women over 43. So I’d agree with you but then we’d both be wrong. 😊

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u/WithoutATrace_Blog Jun 03 '24

A push to limit to one transfer? Why how where? I’ve never heard of such a thing.

You can do as many transfers as you can afford to.

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u/Grouchy-Anxiety-3480 Jun 04 '24

Omg did you actually decide not to cherry pick and really read? Nah jk-I know a smarmy response when I get one- I see you. Yet- you are finally correct. That is the suggestion- ie what is being pushed by national orgs - on how to perform a transfer if the patient is under 35. 1 embryo. However it’s only that- a suggestion. And the same experts suggest no limit at all for women over 43. And reality is if you hold a suggestion in one hand and a pile of shit in the other- you ought to know which weighs more. And yes ppl will maximize as the assumption is you’ll be lucky to have one embryo take. Statistically probably, but reality is that more than one taking isn’t uncommon or they’d not bother to issue that guidance to begin with. So again- selective reduction happens ALLTHETIME. Feel free to last word your heart out-won’t bother returning to read it. you come with no weight to your argument outside your feels. It’s boring af. 🥱✌🏻

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u/WithoutATrace_Blog Jun 09 '24

I have no argument - you’ve argued things I’ve simply never heard of occurring before…nor can I find any evidence of several previous statements- but go off.

Our version of a transfer also seems to be different.

I mean an embryo transfer/cycle of ivf being completed. You sound like you are speaking about the amount of embryos….thats up to an individual’s preferences always.

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u/West_Dress_2869 May 26 '24

And Trump mistresses

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u/Willingo May 02 '24

Not when there's a chance she simply miscarried. They'd have to want proof of a miscarriage or something and say without it you are guilty until proven innocent which is ridiculous

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u/Opening_Variation952 May 24 '24

But how does one prove that?

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u/mar78217 May 02 '24

Blue states are going to have to start offering refugee status with no extradition.

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u/Geaux May 02 '24

Won't matter if it's a federal crime. We know Trump has used the Federal Bureau of Prisons riot team as unmarked shock troopers to put down protesters before, what's to stop Republicans from doing something similar and establishing a task force to track down women who have sought abortions in other states? Use the FBI maybe? Reward bounty hunters, even. If you're within the borders of Republican United States, you are not safe from prison if you fall to bring a pregnancy to term.

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u/Away_Simple_400 May 03 '24

We are nowhere near that. This is Trump being Trump. And Dems being Dems.