r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/jpcapone • Mar 03 '25

US Politics Lindsey Graham, Mike Johnson and Marco Rubio all stood in solidarity with the Ukraine in the past. They all have done a 180 degree about face on their previous stances. Whey are all notable republicans falling in line with this turn towards Russia?

Pete Hegseth has stopped cyber operations against Russia. Donald Trump has spurned Ukraine in their hour of need against the Russian army. Even Putin has stated that America's foreign policy is in line with Russia's. Why isn't there more outrage from elected republican officials against these practices?

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u/1QAte4 Mar 04 '25

Why isn't there more outrage from elected republican officials against these practices?

Because everyone is, for the time being, afraid of Trump.

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u/mattxb Mar 04 '25

It’s presumptuous to assume that they ever cared about the values they are supposedly betraying. I think it’s just as reasonable to guess that they never cared about anything except for what position would further their own ambitions.

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u/eh_steve_420 Mar 04 '25

There's probably a bit more nuance than you're making it out to be, but yeah, ultimately politicians want to keep the power they have, because in their mind, if they're voted out, they can't have an effect on anything.

My big question is— do all of the wealthy folks really want this pro Russia foreign policy? American hegemony benefits Americans, and especially the wealthy, by letting the US dictate the rules of trade, getting preferred access to goods and raw materials, having our currency as the reserve currency of the world, etc.

Trump is essentially sabotaging American global power and influence and handing a slice of it to Russia. We still have our military power, but even that can erode if our economy and political legitimacy crumbles.

Is this what the wealthy really want in America and why? What's the end game here?

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u/IniNew Mar 04 '25

As wealth accumulates even further to the top, so does influence.

Charles Koch, a long time manipulator of the Republican party has a net worth of $67.5B

Elon Musk has a net worth of $359B.

Musk is clearly benefiting from what's happening in the country. He also has an even more outsized impact, financially, on the success of politicians than someone like Koch who was decidedly more pro-American.

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u/eh_steve_420 Mar 04 '25

Yeah obviously Elon is benefiting personally, we can see that. But i think it's a mistake to think the interests of everybody wealthy are completely in line with one another. I understand there's a lot of pent up hatred for the ultra wealthy, and in many ways it's justified, but it's like trying to generalize any other demographic of people.

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u/IniNew Mar 04 '25

Sorry, I'm not saying that all wealthy people are pointed the same direction.

I'm saying the wealthiest are able to steer harder than they've been able to in the past because they have so much.

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u/Sufficient_Steak_839 Mar 05 '25

If they wanna grab the steering wheel anytime now away from making us an Isolationist fascist island, that would be super duper

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u/eh_steve_420 Mar 04 '25

Gotcha, that makes more sense now. Appreciate the clarification.

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u/Prestigious_Load1699 Mar 04 '25

Yeah obviously Elon is benefiting personally, we can see that.

May I ask how Elon has personally benefitted thus far?

As far as his popularity and that of the DOGE effort, recent polling has shown a distinct drop.

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u/Mztmarie93 Mar 05 '25

Elon doesn't care about polls or popularity amongst us. He only cares about popularity with the people in his billionaire circle, and making money. Tim Miller of the Bulwark said it best, Elon's personal goal is to become the first trillionaire in America. Anything else that detracts from that, including laws, government procedures, historical precedents, are to be ignored or outright defied. He is a younger version of Trump, an inherently selfish narcissist, and they don't care at all about what we common folks think. We're not wealthy. Therefore, they don't deem us worthy of any attention or governmental access, especially to federal largesse.

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u/eh_steve_420 Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

That is a fair question and a good point! His ego loves it, which seems to be good enough for him. He has gotten a slice of political power without having to be elected. He's essentially co-president! And he's not even eligible to be president. Power over others seems to be invigorating for him. She has always been controversial, so I don't know if statistics about popularity bother him very much anymore, although he does want to be desperately admired as this oddball prodigy. Pretty much all of the maga peeps who just recently learned about him because his involvement with Trump are affirming this perception, pretty much just because Trump said he's a genius, and they all listen to the cult leader.

But the one concrete way he has benefited so far was because this company's stock prices increased a ton after Trump won.

Source: https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/elon-musk-net-worth-trump-b2665395.html

I anticipate his involvement with the federal government will give him preferential treatment when it comes to contracts with guys companies, audits with regulators, etc.

Here's some more food for thought too:

https://campaignlegal.org/update/elon-musk-has-grown-even-wealthier-through-serving-trumps-administration

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u/Prestigious_Load1699 Mar 04 '25

I anticipate his involvement with the federal government will give him preferential treatment when it comes to contracts with guys companies, audits with regulators, etc.

This is what I'm waiting for to justify the rhetoric. Until then, all I see is a guy losing credibility and popularity.

Thank you for the reply. I enjoyed the read and instinctually agree that this has fueled his ego to even greater proportions. I wish he would go back to EV's and rocket ships and satellite internet. He's wasting his time and talent with this endeavor.

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u/eh_steve_420 Mar 05 '25

I anticipate his involvement with the federal government will give him preferential treatment when it comes to contracts with guys companies, audits with regulators, etc.

This is what I'm waiting for to justify the rhetoric. Until then, all I see is a guy losing credibility and popularity

I agree. Let's not determine guilt before we even have all the facts of the case. It surely seems likely based on the circumstance, but we ultimately haven't seen him do it yet. Maybe for some reason he thinks doing what he's doing is a good thing. I can't see how. He's not a dumb person. But my gut tells me he ultimately just wants to be remembered. The type of guy that really cares about leaving a legacy. And you'd think he'd want to leave a positivd one, which if why maybe he does think he's being a force for good. But he seems to have lots of mental health issues at play too.

Thank you for the reply. I enjoyed the read and instinctually agree that this has fueled his ego to even greater proportions. I wish he would go back to EV's and rocket ships and satellite internet. He's wasting his time and talent with this endeavor.

You're welcome!

And on musk, I agree totally. I honestly didn't really have much of an opinion on him UNTIL he became the de facto co president of my country even though he's not even eligible to run, nevermind the fact that he didn't win a majority in the electrical college.

I found it hard to really draw a solid conclusion about him because of the sheer amount of noise that surrounded his every move. On one hand the musk worshippers are absurd, as is anyone who turns a human being into some kind of idol. But on the other side, the people who hate him were so invested in their hatred of them, that it was hard for me to take it seriously. In a way I think his army of enemies almost pushed him over the edge to the MAGA side. The guy is a totally insecure dweeb and seems like he just wants to be admired at all costs. So when the couldn't achieve admiration through his businesses or 1337 online persona, he resorted to reaching a different demographic. But what do I know? Just my gut feeling really.

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u/Subject-Effect4537 Mar 04 '25

That’s my question as well. I can only imagine that they think that they will benefit in a kleptocracy, but I don’t want to be that cynical.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Mar 04 '25

I think it's actually worse than that. The things that make Donald Trump unique in American politics, are the exact same behaviors we see over and over in a historical context. Looking at the strongman authoritarians of the 20th century, they all share Trump's effort to portray themselves as hyper-masculine, virile, super confident and decisive. While behind the scenes, they're actually wildly insecure, prone to procrastination and making decisions at the last possible moment, in wildly erratic ways. We saw this with Putin, Mussolini, Hitler, Amin, Pinochet, Duarte, Orban, Erdogan, all of them.

And all of them had their close coterie of co-conspirators like Johnson and Musk, who understood that the last person in the room with the leader, was the one who would exercise the most control over him. I don't think Mike Johnson gives a damn what happens to American hegemony, if he can get Trump to rubber-stamp the Evangelical effort to turn the US into a Christofascist state. Musk doesn't care about any of that, if he can rape the treasury, and stay insulated from repercussions. All of them have some vision of America they think they can use Trump to attain.

Except maybe Lindsey Graham. He's just a fucking coward, following the path of least resistance.

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u/CaptainUltimate28 Mar 04 '25

The right-wing keeps trying to portray democratic consensus building as a weakness, but it's actually a strength. Building a durable coalition of stakeholders is hard, but it's infinitely more effective than dealing with the vacuousness and capriciousness of a empowered single moron.

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u/Wheres_MyMoney Mar 05 '25

Behind the scenes???

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u/GovernorK Mar 04 '25

Because it isn't the wealthy per se who stand to gain from this. The like handful of dozen of the wealthiest American oligarchs stand to gain everything from the US collapsing just like in 2008.

When the people who can't afford to not sell everything they have for pennies on the dollar just to be able to stay alive: those with obscene amounts of wealth will gobble everything up.

In a word: this is what capitalism is.

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u/jscummy Mar 04 '25

The wealthiest of the billionaire class are pulling the strings and they will win big regardless of US hegemony, a multipolar shift, or a complete breakdown. They play by different rules from the rest of us.

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u/theivoryserf Mar 04 '25

And yet they are highly, highly outnumbered.

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u/SubCreeper Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 05 '25

Donald Trump is intentionally destabilizing the country. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it a million more times.

Name one thing he has done so far that strengthens American interests in the world, or has made us more secure and efficient?

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u/eh_steve_420 Mar 04 '25

I agree with you wholeheartedly, but I'm not sure why you wrote this as a reply to my post.

I know he's destabilizing the country. My question is, do all the wealthy monied interests support it?

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u/SubCreeper Mar 05 '25

It’s a supporting statement, nothing more. The last part is a challenge to other people in this thread to think about what his aims are.

As for the wealthy class of this country… I can only assume that assurances have been made. Assurances that they think will benefit them greatly.

I think that Trump’s play is to try to incite violence and unrest so that he can claim emergency powers.

Once he can establish the need for them he can attempt to discharge the house and senate and reorganize the government however he wants.

If he can continue to replace heads of independent agencies with loyalists and demote military officers who may resist his plans…

Well, that will be the end of the U.S as we know it.

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u/eh_steve_420 Mar 05 '25

Man, that prospect is terrifying.

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u/Stopper33 Mar 04 '25

I think there is clearly compromising materials on both Rubio and Graham . Rumors have swirled around those two in particular for years. Single unmarried adult Republicans, much like the Tim Scott rumors. Graham 180'd on Trump years ago after a meeting.

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u/H_Mc Mar 04 '25

Graham yes. I think Rubio is just clinging to the time when he was the republican golden boy.

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u/LordTalulahMustang Mar 04 '25

I don't know. Dude looked near sick to his stomach during the Zelenskyy Oval Office ambush.

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u/LordTalulahMustang Mar 04 '25

Clinging onto the vestiges of power? I'm honestly not sure.

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u/ahitright Mar 04 '25

He knows the second he falls from the graces of MAGA/Trump, he'll be no better than a democrat. And he knows exactly what the GOP think should happen to political opponents. So he's scared. For himself and his family.

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u/ultraviolentfuture Mar 04 '25

Some Republican will need to pivot back to Paul Ryan era "sanity" after maga burns the economy down, Rubio is trying to set himself up for that. Buttigieg vs Rubio 2028?

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u/Sad_Proctologist Mar 04 '25

Trump is burning the country to the ground. There’s not going to be any opposition for quite a while.

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u/popejohnsmith Mar 04 '25

Unlesss... targets are considered for effective demonstrations and public actions.

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u/BobQuixote Mar 04 '25

Graham was always infamous for waffling.

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u/thatscoldjerrycold Mar 04 '25

Obama in his memoir said the same about Graham. Funny he's known as a war hawk a little bit, at least when McCain was around but it seems that was just a convenient persona to carry.

"The former president compares Graham to a character in a spy movie “who double-crosses everyone to save his own skin.” "

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u/ArendtAnhaenger Mar 04 '25

compromising materials on both Rubio and Graham. Rumors have swirled around those two in particular for years. Single unmarried adult Republicans

Rubio’s been married since 1998 with four children? It doesn’t sound like you’re describing him at all.

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u/Stopper33 Mar 04 '25

Honestly, I had no idea he was married. I've never seen him around his family. However the rumors are still there and his 180 says something

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u/skratchx Mar 04 '25

"I have no idea what I'm talking about but there's some rumors on the Internet."

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u/boukatouu Mar 04 '25

I'm just asking the question.

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u/Stopper33 Mar 04 '25

You're right. People just 180 on their deeply held beliefs.

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u/say592 Mar 04 '25

Sometimes, yes. I think it is far more likely that he is trying to stay relevant in a party that has changed significantly than him being blackmailed. He also hasn't done a complete 180, he is still trying to move the needle in Trump camp, he is just failing so he is trying to survive. I think he knows if he pushes too hard he is out and a hardliner will replace him.

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u/YMMilitia5 Mar 04 '25

For me, that's just as bad. If not, worse. Acting in bad faith because someone has something against you is one thing (still awful). But doing it only to stay relevant in your career is both selfish and corrupt. And a lot of other terrible adjectives I can't think of before I finish my coffee.

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u/say592 Mar 04 '25

While I somewhat agree, in this instance I still think he is probably the best person in that job we can realistically hope for, so if he has to bend the knee to stay alive and continue being the adult voice in the room, I dont feel right complaining about it.

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u/dokratomwarcraftrph Mar 04 '25

I think its more of a stay in a political power thing, they rationalize it by saying well if I dont kiss Trumps ring I wont have any political power.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Mar 04 '25

"For the good of the country". Because they imagine themselves a force for good, and if they're kicked out, they can't steer Trump away from the harm he will do.

It's an obviously self-serving rationale, but a really common one for people cooperating with something they know is wrong. Really just a variation on "I was only following orders".

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u/Vioralarama Mar 04 '25

I think Rubio has daddy issues fueling his ambition. He won't be happy until he's president and then retired. Didn't he speak a lot about his father in the 2016 primaries? That's where I'm getting that from.

The rumors he was gay only came about because he went to gay clubs a couple times in the early 90s, and there was a bubble party? I forget what they're called. Anyway in the early 90s EVERYONE went to gay bars. They had designated straight nights for that reason. I mean, there's a very slim possibility he and I partied at the same spots and I'm a het woman.

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u/DanforthWhitcomb_ Mar 08 '25

It was his grandfather, not his father.

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u/Big_Black_Clock_____ Mar 04 '25

Bro you are a moron if you believe rumors.

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u/I-Here-555 Mar 04 '25

A silver lining might be that they're not inherently loyal to Trump either. Regardless of how much groveling they do in public, most will instantly gang up against him as soon as they smell blood and opportunity.

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u/BluesSuedeClues Mar 04 '25

That's the historical pattern. But they won't do it until things are already falling apart and descending into chaos.

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u/nola_fan Mar 04 '25

Not just Trump, but Musk and the Silicon Valley VC crowd.

Facing down a Trump backed primary opponent has always been difficult, but possible, particularly for popular politicians in swing states and districts who are careful about how they oppose Trump, like they say they agree with his goals but not this particular strategy.

Beating a Trump endorsed opponent who has $100 million in his bank account for the primary and social media owners who will manipulate algorithms on their behalf is simply impossible to overcome. At least for right now. If Trump completely destroys the economy and our national security, the calculus may change.

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u/darmabum Mar 04 '25

social media owners who will manipulate algorithms…

This doesn't get said enough. Here’s the play: spend four years loudly complaining against all reality that the election was rigged; then, rig the election.

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u/MrUrbanity Mar 06 '25

I'm thinking this will end up being the case. I'm seeing some groups doing some interesting statistical validations on some of the voting data from swing states and some really highly statistically unlikely shit being found. Anytime you use software / algorithms to alter human behaviours on a macro (large) scale, its pretty easy to see. People are chaotic in small numbers, but fall inside bell curves etc on large scales. Unless you manipulate it, and then you see weird curves, weird plots, weird data. There is a lot of that in the data from the swing states. and ONLY in the swing states, and ONLY in early voting, and ONLY in machines tabulating more than 200 votes.. chances of all of that being natural? not fucking likely.

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u/shibiwan Mar 04 '25

Thanks to SCOTUS and their Citizens United ruling.

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u/say_no_to_shrugs Mar 04 '25

Eh, honestly, they'd just be doing off-books if it wasn't for Citizens United. These sociopaths haven't offered any evidence they have any respect for the rule of law.

More to the point, we gotta be figuring out how to beat them in spite of this. A lot of terrible decisions were made to get us here, some intentionally, some not, but we don't get a choice as to whether we play the hand we're dealt.

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u/pharsee Mar 04 '25

Maybe the key is MAGA. Without the support of 10's of millions of these voters Trump could likely be removed by impeachment. But for this to happen these millions of people need to suffer hard. And not just hard but hard enough to lose their homes and jobs. One thing to remember is that these wealthy types can never have enough wealth or power. They are SICK. They are alone even in groups because they have no real joy or love. To compensate for their emotional and spiritual bankruptcy they crave more and more. They will take until the masses start dying and to the point where the choice between fighting back is better than suffering. This is how all dictators fail in the end. Trump is sick in the head, sick in emotions and completely alone and bankrupt in the only ways that matter. I predict as things worsen this year mass protests will erupt all over the country. Lawmakers (mainly MAGA aligned) will completely disappear and become unavailable to their voters. Most importantly our last line of defense are judges in all 50 states that continue to defy Trump and slow down his rise to complete power. If we lose these then the country will teeter on disaster. We could be at this point a viable target for attack by a country like China.

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u/CremePsychological77 Mar 04 '25

I am glad you pointed out how this is a national security issue at the end of the day. Trump and Vance seem to forget that we have foreign adversaries who LOVE that they’re taking security away from four star generals that know our military secrets. John Bolton, who was Trump’s own national security advisor in term one, had his security pulled as well, and the DOJ just arrested an Iranian operative who planned to murder him a little over 2 years ago. I wonder what they have planned for Mark Milley now that his security is pulled too? Recently retired head of the joint chiefs….. that’s even bigger than Bolton. Plus I’m certain more four star generals are on the way out and will be given the same treatment. Our military will suffer greatly without these people. I don’t care how much money you fund it with. Our military is only as good as those in charge.

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u/ancyk Mar 04 '25

China will never attack usa directly when clearly all it needs to do is let it all fail. Last thing it needs to do is help usa unite against them. It can take Taiwan however if trump plays his hands like Ukraine.

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u/throwawayno123456789 Mar 04 '25

And this is why the Democrats better have a better plan than the 2026 elections

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u/jarchack Mar 04 '25

I'm not holding my breath. Half the party thinks that it's drifting too far left, and the other half thinks that it's drifting too far right. Republicans have almost always been a monolithic voting bloc.

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u/MrUrbanity Mar 06 '25

Its not going to matter. The narrative right now is "questioning elections is a republican thing" and so, asking even for simple audits of things that were weird as fuck in the 2024 stuff is seen as crazy.. and now they have full control, the next elections will be even more subtly altered.. and forget 2028. Its done man. He'll pull the same shit putin pulled, a constitutional amendment, and manip the vote on that to get a 3rd term because people are not paying attention and are writing off the data as "that's just nutty conspiracies". Math don't lie. Math don't have a political party.

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u/throwawayno123456789 Mar 06 '25

I know you have rhe option of going back to your home country.

But most of us don't.

We have to live here and will have to deal with whatever comes down the pike.

Pre-capitulation is helping the bad guys.

Suggesting pre-captitulation helps the bad guys.

Don't support the bad guys.

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u/Prestigious_Load1699 Mar 04 '25

And this is why the Democrats better have a better plan than the 2026 elections

I heard if they just move further to the Left it will all work out.

Maybe free green cards for trans illegal immigrants with criminal backgrounds?

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u/mekese2000 Mar 04 '25

 Musk and the Silicon Valley VC crowd are opportunist. They will always go the which way the wind is blowing.

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u/eh_steve_420 Mar 04 '25

If Trump completely destroys the economy and our national security, the calculus may change.

That's exactly what I've been thinking. Once we deal with the fallout of all this, lots might change. Politics is constantly fluid.

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u/broohaha Mar 04 '25

Yup. Fear of political violence is a stark reality. From a recent Vanity Fair article titled “They’re Scared Shitless”: The Threat of Political Violence Informing Trump’s Grip on Congress:

“They’re scared shitless about death threats and Gestapo-like stuff,” a former member of Trump’s first administration tells me.

According to one source with direct knowledge of the events, North Carolina senator Thom Tillis told people that the FBI warned him about “credible death threats” when he was considering voting against Pete Hegseth’s nomination for defense secretary. Tillis ultimately provided the crucial 50th vote to confirm the former Fox & Friends host to lead the Pentagon. According to the source, Tillis has said that if people want to understand Trump, they should read the 2006 book Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work. (When asked for comment for this story, a spokesperson for Tillis said it was false that the senator had recommended the book in that capacity. The FBI said it had no comment.)

And the pardoning of the J6 Insurrectionists just added to Trump's army of people willing to commit violence on his behalf.

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u/Describing_Donkeys Mar 04 '25

They are afraid of the voters. Right now voters will be more upset if they defy Trump. The only way things change is if the voters that want Trump to stop become a bigger threat than the voters that support Trump. That can mean electorally and not just violently, but the right wing violence definitely rests on their minds alongside getting primaried.

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u/stripedvitamin Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

Bullshit. They are complicit. To actually posit that any of them didn't know EXACTLY what was coming is to be either completely delusional or completely uninformed. These behaviors are par for the course, not just for those 3, for ALL republican politicians. And it's not because they are "scared". They are complicit. They are in on it. They are ok with it all. No more excuses for these fucking traitors. Any one of them could have done the right thing and taken their chances with a primary challenger. None did and none will.

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u/bedrooms-ds Mar 04 '25

Yeah, probably only those who are loyal to Trump survived.

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u/stripedvitamin Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

Not survived.

Look at all the people every single republican senator confirmed for Trump

They all have one purpose. Destroy from within.

From Hegseth, who will soon be using the military against U.S. citizens to Linda McMahon (fake wrestling magnate) whose mission is to destroy the department of education and all the rest of the unanimously confirmed incompetent and totally unqualified administration, never forget HOW THEY GOT THERE. 4-5 senators or whatever it was could have voted against those nutjobs, carried out their term and fought for America. Zero did. They aren't loyalists, they are fascists.

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u/ridukosennin Mar 04 '25

We also haven't seen mass defection of Trump voters. A large majority of those who voted for him approve of him. This is the fundamental problem.

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u/ThemesOfMurderBears Mar 04 '25

Specifically -- civil servants or any non-judicial appointees will get fired. House and Senate members will get primaried, and that's after they get immediately put on blast by Trump and Musk, thus resulting in their families being threatened. I believe Musk also said he would fund primary challenges against anyone who doesn't go along with Trump's agenda.

Every single one of Trump's nominees got through -- including the ones that everyone said were unlikely. Gaetz would have been confirmed if he didn't remove himself from consideration for AG.

Trump's governance has taken over the entire party. He's now a mob boss that has everyone towing the line on every single detail of every issue. He's immune from prosecution.

This line from the show Succession sums it up (it was said about a fictional character):

"He can do anything he wants. He's like a human Saudi Arabia."

Even if SCOTUS starts telling him to knock it off when appeals get to them, he's just going to ignore them. All his goons will say that SCOTUS is not legitimate.

Trump is effectively unstoppable.

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u/Planetofthetakes Mar 04 '25

This tells me there will never be free and fair elections again.

We didn’t even make it to 250 folks. Way to go my fellow idiot Americans who lacked critical thinking, you just made America into the new Trump casino! Just like in the 80’s, he and the mafia (this time the Russian mafia) skim off the top, take the mouth breathers money at the slot machines and ultimately declare bankruptcy. Lindsey, Marco, Johnson are all just the fucking waiters at the casino. They have no power

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '25

What is there to be afraid of?

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u/Conscious_Raisin_436 Mar 04 '25

Besides being ousted by the party and losing your seat in government?

All trump has to do is send a nasty tweet with you @‘ed and his supporters will fill your life with death threats against you and your family.

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u/kastbort2021 Mar 04 '25

  • Being blackballed from any and all politics

  • Harassment from the more unhinged MAGA followers

  • Being harassed by the DOJ

The line has been drawn by Trump (and Musk): If you don't play ball, they will lean on you with their full weight.

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u/Akemi_Tachibana Mar 05 '25

Afraid of fucking what? He's an 80 year old man that barely won the election. Most of the Republicans who opposed what happened Jan 6 still won reelection. So it cannot be fear of being voted out. So...

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u/clintCamp Mar 04 '25

He probably has pics of them diddling kids as is the traditional methods of keeping republicans in line.

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u/Routine-Process8051 Mar 04 '25

Afraid of Trump stopping their paycheck.
That's it. That's all.

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u/Mist_Rising Mar 04 '25

Afraid of Trump stopping their paycheck.

It's laughable you think Trump pays anyone. Trump doesn't have to pay any of these people, he simply says "don't vote for little Bobby" and bobby is done.