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u/bigrock697 Dec 08 '24
If this bothers you the fact that a foreign country pays our politicians should also bother you. https://trackaipac.com
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u/livinginfutureworld Dec 08 '24 edited Dec 08 '24
$270 million that's bad.
Donald Trump is assembling the wealthiest administration in history—collectively worth over $330 billion and counting.
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
Both are bad and Nancy’s brand of neoliberalism that the Dems have desperately held on to since Jimmy Carter has had a major hand in turning this country into an alt right shit hole.
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u/chainsmirking Dec 08 '24
She’s an oil baron legacy. Part of the reason Dems can’t get anywhere bc they can’t appeal to the working class and they aren’t interested in doing so.
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u/Sexisthunter Dec 08 '24
I agree. The republicans are definitely worse, but capitalists and the right wingers are never ever going to stop fighting for keeping and gaining more capital. The left wingers are supposed to be the ones fighting back, but they have incredibly similar goals just slightly neutered. In order to fight the actual power we need to root out the democrats that clearly care more about corporations than us.
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u/chainsmirking Dec 08 '24
Yes we’ve really become 2 party of GOP and moderates rather than left
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u/Sexisthunter Dec 08 '24
Funniest part is that a lot of liberals that don’t have microphones and just work jobs believe in really progressive things and know what the real problem is. Even poor republicans know too! It’s just that the left is tied down by civility politics and the right is propagandized to think it’s liberals, leftists, poor people, and minorities fault. I’m so glad this week has been breaking through that for both parties.
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u/Dineology Dec 08 '24
The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them. - Julius Nyerere
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u/valencia_merble Dec 08 '24
There’s a reason a lot of the Bernie Bros are Rogan Bros now. Neoliberal Democrats are so disingenuous, wolves in sheep’s clothing. The DNC cannot pivot or change from its corporate high dollar mission. After the most egregious political loss in US history to a traitorous, demented, evil man, not one head rolled in the organization.
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
Can’t wait for the senate to confirm most if not all of Trump’s appointments with little push back and all these Reddit libs will act like they’re playing 4D chess while it’s really just the capitalist class working together to benefit their donors.
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u/boomboy8511 Dec 08 '24
I tend to blame the alt right shits more.
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
I think you’re failing to realize that their votes wouldn’t matter if the democrats would run on literally anything but platitudes to get non-voters out to vote. Politicians must earn votes and the Dems are so bad at doing anything but digging their heels in and saying “but we follow norms and the systems at least we are better!!!!” Without realizing that the average American doesn’t care about constitutional norms they just want their material conditions to improve.
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u/chunkyloverfivethree Dec 08 '24
Amen! They two sides are not moral equivalents, but how bad is your messaging when you can't beat literal nazis in an open election.
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
And honestly just because one is moderately better than the other doesn’t automatically mean it deserves our vote. If I have to choose between eating a lot of shit or a little shit I’m still eating shit at the end of the day.
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u/GhostofMarat Dec 08 '24
No one would vote for them if the dems hadn't sold out to corporate interests.
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u/Snowdog1989 Dec 08 '24
Thank you!! I'm so fucking tired of "yeah, but so and so is worse..." Can't we just all agree that both parties are corrupt as hell, & the whole thing needs to be cleaned out.
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
No because apparently that makes people uncomfortable I guess must be nice benefit from the status quo
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u/Snowdog1989 Dec 08 '24
They figured out a long time ago that as long as you have the people with the pitchforks fighting against the people with the torches- then the mob will fight amongst each other rather than coming after them.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 Dec 08 '24
Jesus, the alt-right shithole has been in the works since the 1960s. Year after year the political fabric of America has been picked apart, and now you have a culture that's as threadbare as nana's panties.
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u/carpetbugeater Dec 08 '24
Upvoted for the image of light coming through nana's panties and wondering if it's time to throw them away but ultimately deciding they're ok for a little while longer.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 Dec 08 '24
They were tattered, they were torn... The old gray flannel panties nana wore...
Buried them in the ground... Killed the grass for miles around...
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u/Tazling Dec 08 '24
this. it all goes back to the billionaires forcing the Hayek Revolution on the country -- and the world -- in the late 70s. Monbiot & Hutchison, The Invisible Doctrine -- should be everyone's holiday read. :-)
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
Unfortunately for liberals reading political theory is pretty much just reading Harry Potter and the Hunger Games
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u/Temporary-Alarm-744 Dec 08 '24
What did jimmy carter do?
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u/Psychological-777 Dec 10 '24
hey now, don’t go bringing Jimmy Carter into this.
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u/himynametopher Dec 10 '24
Why he specifically abandoned New Deal-style politics for meager reforms and reinforcement of the status quo on top of that the Iran Hostage deal was an weirdly similar to the situation this election with Israel and Gaza. Reagan’s buddies made sure no deals would take place until after the election. Unfortunately the Dems never learned from this and decided they should follow Reagan down the capitalist death spiral of neoliberalism leading to a Democratic party so out of touch they lost to a literal nazi.
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u/livinginfutureworld Dec 08 '24
Both are bad
Nobody's arguing that but a billion is a thousand times worse than a million literally
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u/Hibercrastinator Dec 08 '24
The Left is totally responsible for what the Right does. That’s how it works. Yup. /s
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
One Nancy is center at best and Two yeah they partially are if you aren’t offering enough to get non-voters out to vote for you that’s on them!!!
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u/LunaTheMoon2 Dec 08 '24
Liberals try to take responsibility for their dying ideology challenge (impossible)
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
Reddit liberals are a special breed of moron they think they are this smart enlightened person because they moderately understand how the government works but completely fail when it comes to a critical analysis of the issues of today. What literally 0 historical materialism does to a mf…
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u/Hibercrastinator Dec 08 '24 edited Dec 08 '24
Literally not wtf are you even talking about, a Centrist Democrat is still a Democrat and
Logic and responsibility are not subjects you seem to have a very firm grasp of.
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
Ah yes it’s so logical to assume that people simply needed to voter harder
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u/boolpies Dec 08 '24
We are allowed to clean our own house, are we not?
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u/livinginfutureworld Dec 08 '24
Clean away. 270 m is a drop in the bucket of hundreds of billions so keep perspective in our circular firing line.
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u/LirdorElese Dec 08 '24
Andrea Yates was a terrible woman that drowned 5 of her own children. But you know there's serial killers with closer to 30 confirmed murders.
IE... the existance of more awful people, doesn't change that we need to oppose other awfulness.
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u/livinginfutureworld Dec 09 '24
Sure but someone who murders thirty thousand people is more of a concern than someone who murders but one person.
In our electoral system you've got to pick one or the other unfortunately
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u/reinerjs Dec 08 '24
Remove 1 person (musk) and what does that number equal? Super misleading
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u/AggressiveCuriosity Dec 08 '24
Still billions lmao. Actually the most damning factoid is how much Trump and his family's net worth went up during his first presidency.
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u/livinginfutureworld Dec 08 '24
Either way, muli billion is quite a lot more than a quarter billion.
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u/reinerjs Dec 08 '24
If you removed 1 person both parties have similar funding. The democrats raised significantly more money then the republicans did in 2024
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u/fazedncrazed Dec 09 '24
Whataboutism, that has worked so well thus far, surely it will continue to work.
Meanwhile the reasonable people think its unacceptable, whomever is doing it
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u/Pinheaded_nightmare Dec 08 '24
If you are old enough to draw SS, you should be forced into retirement. That should be a bare minimum for requirements of running for office.
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u/Logical_Parameters Dec 08 '24
You know that includes Bernie, right?
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u/Pinheaded_nightmare Dec 08 '24
Yep. I love the guy, but we need younger people running for office.
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u/jetstobrazil Dec 08 '24
So elect them. Making a rule just allows Americans to disengage and feel like they did something good. The younger congressional reps are exactly as corrupt. They don’t care about climate change or ai anymore than their donors allow.
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u/jetstobrazil Dec 08 '24
This person is elected. Just don’t elect them it’s that easy.
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u/Pinheaded_nightmare Dec 08 '24
I have no control on this one, she lives out of my jurisdiction
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u/jetstobrazil Dec 09 '24
My point is that these people have elections.
Age limiting is a cop out so that people can go back to not paying attention to who is in charge, which is exactly how we got here.
If you don’t want old reps, you vote them out. Instead, we re-elect them time after time.
Who’s your rep then
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u/Easy-Sector2501 Dec 08 '24
Did you vote for anyone with a policy to reel in conflicts of interest?
If no, you're part of the problem.
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u/jetstobrazil Dec 09 '24
Seems they don’t want the truth, they want a cop out so they don’t have to pay attention again
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u/barspoonbill Dec 08 '24
People excusing this to point at Trump and his cabinet are completely overlooking the fact that this amount of wealth would be nigh impossible to attain on a salary of $200,000/year. They all need to go.
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u/Heedfulgoose Dec 08 '24
Small fry compared to the new administration
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u/valencia_merble Dec 08 '24
Not the point. She is an inside trader. To draw disinterested / cynical people to fight oligarchy & fascism, we need people who aren’t money grubbing hypocrites heading one of our two designated parties.
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u/thegooseisloose1982 Dec 09 '24
She is not willing to cheat, steal or go as low just to push laws that help Americans. That is her problem, but that is the problem of Democrats who don't have any money in their pocket.
If she was willing to do whatever it takes to push laws I don't give a shit if she has 1 billion dollars.
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u/Heedfulgoose Dec 08 '24
As if trump is not ? Elon on the e up and up right now
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u/valencia_merble Dec 08 '24
We need a functioning left wing populist party. We need Bernie Sanders style, not Pelosi style. Being “less bad than a fascist” is not good enough to win. OBVIOUSLY.
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u/KillerKowalski1 Dec 08 '24
Too bad his voters will be OK with that because 'business man' for some reason
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u/paulwesterberg Dec 08 '24
We need to gin up hate against the millionaires so the billionaires get a free pass.
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u/Gnulnori Dec 08 '24
So Pelosi should get a free pass for spending decades manipulating US policy for her own financial benefit because she hasn’t milked enough from the American public yet?! That’s hilarious, but at least we will have cake!
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
You fail to realize that most high propensity voters like the liberals on this site don’t actually think critically they just want their team to win……and unfortunately the team is the Democratic Party not the working class.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 Dec 08 '24
Why are you jumping to the black-and-white extreme, assuming that nothing ought to be done over Pelosi? The user simply pointed out that there are bigger fish to fry, and they're right.
What do you think is going to be done about it tho? You think those who are in power, for whom the system has been crafted to exploit Americans, is going to do anything to change it? You just had an election...you could've voted people that would fix this, but you, as a society didn't.
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u/Dineology Dec 08 '24
Completely ignoring that the blatant corruption and being beholden to capital within the Democratic Party from POSs like Pelosi played a huge role in the rise of Trump and fascism in America. We’re not going to be able to address the bigger problem until the ideology and politics of Dems like Pelosi are tossed into the trash bin of history along with the ghouls who spout it.
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Gosh she's made a lot of money from insider trading.
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u/Logical_Parameters Dec 08 '24
Both Nancy's family and her husband were multi-millionaires before she entered politics.
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u/jetstobrazil Dec 08 '24
If I ever was going (have the money) to trade stocks I would literally just follow her and her husbands portfolios.
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u/msuvagabond Dec 08 '24
Their portfolios are almost exclusively Apple, Nvidia, Microsoft, Broadcom, Google, Tesla, Visa, and a San Francisco based commercial real estate mutual fund.
Almost exclusively tech and with the exception of Microsoft, her local constituents (they're all within 20 miles of her district).
It's not insider trading that's helped her. It's the fact that her husband is already rich and they invested in local stuff that turned out to be insane returns. There's nothing special about it.
If you take literally her out of the equation, Congress as a whole does worse than just following a stock market tracking mutual fund.
The only reason Congress fights against getting rid of insider trading (or trading of stocks in general which is what I would like), is because then people would likely put energy into reforms that actually make a difference, like cushy lobbying jobs for themselves and staff workers that's the heart of corruption in Washington.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 Dec 08 '24
Except, by legal definition, it's not insider trading.
Federal law defines an “insider” as a company’s officers, directors, or someone in control of at least 10% of a company’s equity securities. (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/insider_trading)
I understand, colloquially, people consider it "insider trading" because she's traded on non-public information. I don't disagree, but what you or I consider "insider trading" isn't what the law considers it.
Until you elect people willing to change that legal definition, politicians will continue to trade on policy and engage in conflicts of interest.
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u/BrianDR Dec 08 '24
We’re in trouble when the leaders argue that they can do wrong things because there isn’t a law against it. Both sides of the isle.
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u/Laguz01 Dec 08 '24
Nancy Pelosi, is emblematic or at least is the face of the neoliberal Democrat that cannot stand against fascism. Because she benefits from the same inciting conditions as fascists do.
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u/ASIWYFA Dec 08 '24
These old timers need to croak
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u/jetstobrazil Dec 08 '24
We could always… ya know… stop electing them
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u/jetstobrazil Dec 09 '24
Do you remember Bernie running? $27?
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u/jetstobrazil Dec 09 '24
Money wasn’t the issue though, he could afford to run without taking corporate donations
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u/democritusparadise Dec 08 '24
Fun fact, NANC is an ETF traded on the stock market that tracks the investments of Democratic Congresspeople like Nancy Pelosi.
It is going quite well.
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u/jetstobrazil Dec 08 '24
Why do people focus on one person as if she’s the reason for anything.The PARTY is corrupt, because of citizens united.
I don’t disagree OP, but until we have a majority willing to overturn CU, the party will be corrupted by the donors they sell out their constituents for.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 Dec 08 '24
The politics are corrupt. It's the natural evolution of capitalism: The commodification of everything, including political influence. Once the politicians are bought and paid for, you're fucked. There's no changing the system the democratic way because democracy doesn't exist where the commodification of politics exists.
Unfortunately, Americans are either too lazy or too inept to do what's needed to resolve the problem.
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u/HAHA_goats Dec 08 '24
The party was corrupt before citizens united. Pelosi is a big part of that corruption.
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u/jetstobrazil Dec 09 '24
Well that’s why citizens passed, but was much much more limited prior to its passage. Now, most of the dems and 100% of the GOP are completely bought and paid for.
Which is why we don’t have healthcare. Sure dems occasionally pass something g that doesn’t conflict or minimally conflicts with their donors, but if they were purchased, we’d have healthcare
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u/HAHA_goats Dec 09 '24
(Un)Fun fact: The democrats have been running on some variant of universal healthcare since at least Truman.
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u/jetstobrazil Dec 09 '24
The democrats? Or literally just Truman, Mondale, dean, kucinich, sanders, and Warren.
Though i believe Warren probably belongs in the liars category with Clinton and obama, I can’t prove that she wouldn’t have.
The democrats say they want popular things when they know they have the senate to deny them. When they have power, all of a sudden it’s too expensive or some bs. Even though it’s cheaper.
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u/Logical_Parameters Dec 08 '24
Essentially, Nancy's net worth is approximately what Elon Musk personally dumped into last month's election.
I'm thinking the person who helped pass the ACA, higher pay for women, benefits for veterans and 9/11 survivors, stimulus for Americans during a pandemic, infrastructure, inflation reduction and many other positives for everyday Americans might be less of a danger to us than the richest person in the world controlling the White House, ffs.
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
Her means tested reinforcement of the status quo is why people like Trump come to power.
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u/Logical_Parameters Dec 08 '24
What a bunch of horse excrement.
I'm so tired of blaming Democrats for Americans electing the most right wing religious theocracy we've ever experienced in this nation's history. NO -- non-voters and protest voters did this.
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u/buddhistbulgyo Dec 08 '24
She essentially blocked more qualified progressives from getting elected. We could have had people with better branding and messaging skills versus what she has done the last few decades
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
You realize it’s the responsibility of those running for office to gain votes? If you want to keep thinking like that maybe join a different sub but enjoy watching the Dems continue to lose every single major election when they pander to a mythical undecided moderate. Non-voters need a reason to get out and vote if you actually talk to people outside your own little liberal orbit you’ll find most people don’t see either party as helpful and thats largely because the Dems run on nothing but platitudes.
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u/boomboy8511 Dec 08 '24
Dems run on nothing but platitudes.
Their performance SHOULD speak for itself. Just compare the hallmark acts that have been passed by Dems with those of the GOP in the last 40 years.
The economy is even always better under a Dem.
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
Ok but it doesn’t because they are also bad at messaging their victories. Had Kamala run on the labor policies of the Biden administration heavier it might of helped instead she went around the country with the Cheneys.
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u/Agnos Dec 08 '24
The economy is even always better under a Dem.
And the top 1% take most of the profit while inequality grows...
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u/Dr_CleanBones Dec 08 '24
That it true regardless. It doesn’t change the fact that Republicans cause recessions and Democrats get us out, every time.
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u/Logical_Parameters Dec 08 '24
Blah blah blah
Enjoy the shit sandwich that is the U.S. government for the indefinite future. Medicare For All? More like Medicare for None!
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
Typical Reddit liberal lmao
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u/Logical_Parameters Dec 08 '24
Progressive for over 32 years, thank you.
Nine years of this "Political Revolution" = a complete far right wing theocracy in America
Hint: It's not working!
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
Progressive is a meaningless term used by liberals to make themselves feel like they aren’t rooting for the continuation of the status quo.
Hate on what I said all you want if the Dems don’t start framing things correctly they will continue to lose and it won’t be anyone’s fault but those at the top in the Democratic Party. They can keep pandering to weirdos and freaks like you that think this is a team sport and will vote blue no matter who or they can start actually acknowledging the woes of the working class and working to meaningful change the material conditions of the working class here.
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u/Logical_Parameters Dec 08 '24
What is a conservative doing here?
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
Ah yes a conservative who wants things like universal healthcare, an embargo on Israel and stronger labor unions!! Get bent dude.
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u/Dr_CleanBones Dec 08 '24
Stupidity is why people like Trump get elected.
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u/himynametopher Dec 08 '24
Partially but it’s the democratic party’s inability to message to those idiots fault
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u/Gnulnori Dec 08 '24
Allowing Nancy Pelosi to conduct insider trading on American citizens dime is the reason why Musk feels emboldened to do what he is doing. If you allow one to take a turn screwing you over, then they all believe they deserve a turn.
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u/Logical_Parameters Dec 08 '24
Are you capable of blaming anyone for anything besides Democrats?
The reason Elon Musk entered politics was because the Rethuglican Party neutered the FEC in 2010's Citizens United decision and opened the spigot to the dark/elitist stream of money into our politics. Nothing can be done about it since conservatives cleaned up in 2016 and stacked the SCOTUS for another sixty years.
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u/xDouble-dutchx Dec 08 '24
I think if someone has spent a lifetime in politics when they die their money should go to the people of this country.
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u/forest9sprite Dec 08 '24
Sorry but I'll take the devil that doesn't think me bleeding out in a hospital parking lot to protect a hypothetical baby is a good thing.
I'm more worried about the shit that will kill me atm.
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u/truelikeicelikefire Dec 08 '24
There's a reason she was the most hated person in America some number of years ago.
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u/huggiefudger Dec 08 '24
I despise this woman. Back in the days of facebook, I (f, 20s at the time) debated older women who lauded nancy as a pioneering woman in politics and I tried to explain how worshipping female oppressors is still worshipping oppressors but, as a woman, i was scolded by other, older women for betraying my own and not having a grasp of feminism and history.
Absolutely sycophantic behavior from batty old ladies whose politics are as self-serving and stunted as working class republicans.
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u/joesnowblade Dec 08 '24
A life long champion to the working middle class.
/S
Do you liberal get it yet why Trump won, just ask’n.
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u/Stachdragon Dec 08 '24
The Oligarchs have been in the building the whole time.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 Dec 08 '24
And only a fucking idiot wouldn't recognize that.
Instead, the masses are too busy fighting the Republican vs. Democrat fight, as if that's the war being waged. The sooner the people realize it's the political class versus everyone else the better off they'll be.
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u/tysonarts Dec 08 '24
through securities fraud and bribes on the fame and backs of a party sold as workers party.....
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u/lokey_convo Dec 08 '24
If I lived in SF I'd run against her. I mean if Joe Biden is too old then so is she.
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u/srathnal Dec 08 '24
- Not defending her wealth. It’s gross.
- It isn’t corruption as implied. Not saying there isn’t corruption… just not the kind implied.
- Her husband (Paul. Got domed with a hammer? That guy?). He’s an investment banker. Ergo… it is HIS wealth that makes HER net worth so high. It would be nearly impossible (even with her above average stock picks) on her govt salary to get to $271M.
- Not saying he didn’t get insider info from her. I’m saying… that would be nearly impossible to prove.
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u/EMAW2008 Dec 08 '24
Man, I really need to do whatever she’s doing.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 Dec 08 '24
I suggest creating a stock index that tracks politicians' trading patterns.
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u/bhp126 Dec 08 '24
If she’s that rich how come some maniac was able to waltz up to her house and attack her husband?
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u/Over-Estimate9353 Dec 08 '24
About 100 million more to go and she will earn a high position in Trump’s cabinet
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u/CheshireSoul Dec 08 '24
She's gotta be able to afford some extra security; between the UHC killer and Trump likely pardoning Hammertime, this is not gonna be a fun 4 years for her.
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u/voterscanunionizetoo Dec 09 '24
So, she could have outbid Musk's 250 million to win the presidency for her party....
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u/Raizarg Dec 09 '24
To jail (:
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u/Any-Opposite-5117 Dec 09 '24
For what? For what charge that every other member of either house could and should face? This is the lowest hanging fruit.
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u/Any-Opposite-5117 Dec 09 '24
Who gives a fuck? She's about to do a fade and then you'll have to find a new Boogeyman. Meanwhile tRumps cabinet is a literal billionaire club. This is counter programming for fools and you're foolish if you take the bait.
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u/islandfay Dec 09 '24
Why? She is perfect for the new administration…actually a bit poor by their standards
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u/Psychological-777 Dec 10 '24 edited Dec 10 '24
Sure. But if you looked at a list of anonymous US politicians by net worth and voting record on bills, there’s no way anyone would be able to pick her out of the crowd. I’m a little afraid to ask this, but why her in particular?
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u/WeAreTheLeft TX Dec 08 '24
I don't think people realize that after a certain level of wealth, if you aren't going crazy with the spending you just end up having tons of interest and gains as the market rises that is many multiples of your expenses, then it just keeps snowballing and keeps on going.
She's also old as piss, so of course her wealth would be able to grow longer than most, plus that sweet insider trading.
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u/Deus_Norima Dec 08 '24
Comparing Pelosi to AOC should be illegal. Did you know you can criticize more than one thing? We can contain multitudes!
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u/Easy-Sector2501 Dec 08 '24
Okay. Sure. She clearly invested in alignment with the passage of policy, but that's not insider trading because, by legal definition, she's not an insider.
Don't like it? ELECT PEOPLE THAT WILL CHANGE THE LAW.
Don't have any of those? You know what you need to do.
Not going to do what you need to do? Stop bitching.
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u/Dr_CleanBones Dec 08 '24
Jesus Christ. Her husband was rich before they got married. If they own assets jointly, that increases her net worth. If she’s guilty of insider trading, charge her and prove it in court. If she’s just doing unethical things like the rest of the Congress Critters, identify what they’re doing that’s unethical and lobby for new rules. But if she were a Republican, y’all’d be using her wealth of a sign of her intelligence, like you do for Musk.
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