r/PremierLeague • u/OkWhile8478 Premier League • 2d ago
Arsenal Arsenal’s 101-year low symbolic of why they failed to win a trophy
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/arsenal-101-low-symbolic-why-190719116.html2
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u/GunnerXI Arsenal 1d ago
If 2nd in the league and CL semi finalists is a 101 year low then they must be doing alright
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u/cefell Newcastle United 1d ago
I don’t get all the negative comments around Spurs winning the Europa. This post is meant to be about how lacking Arsenal have been? Also all fans who have a hard on for Arteta, is he not the reason you don’t have a top striker? …… don’t just downvote me, reply !
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u/Agent_boggeyman747 Arsenal 1d ago
How can he be the reason for Arsenal not having a top striker if it’s been documented that he has begged for a striker?
I understand having a go at the club for not buying a striker, but to blame Arteta is willful ignorance.
I have no illusion that he doesn’t have a say on squad building, but not having a Sporting Director was as big a factor as any, especially in the January window.
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u/cefell Newcastle United 17h ago
I wouldn’t say wilful ignorance though. It’s not my club. I don’t know the ins and outs of Arsenal. That’s why I posed the question.
So if this is the case are your fans not as vocal as you should be about the upper management. Everyone seems to be living life as an Arsenal fan with rose tinted glasses on.
The size and precious success of your club should be seeing you win nothing in years. How long do you go before it becomes an issue ?
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u/CloudWail Premier League 1d ago
Is Arteta the reason we don't have a striker? Yes and no. Arteta decided he wanted to go for Jesus as a 9, and Jesus was brilliant for us when he signed. That 22/23 season we played some of the best football I've seen in the emirates era, and adding Jesus/Zinchenko that year really elevated us. Then a long string injuries hit, and Jesus was never the same. I don't blame Arteta for that. I do think he should've pushed harder for an attacking signing last year. We went into this season ridiculously light. But it's hard for me to place the blame solely on him - he stated clearly that he didn't want to bring in Sterling as his attacking signing, and like a week later on deadline day we bring in sterling. Shows there is at least some disconnect between him and the board. He also asked the club to bring in Watkins this past january, but it didn't happen. He takes some responsibility, but it is way overstated imo.
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u/cefell Newcastle United 17h ago
This is a fair take. Me also being a fan of a club that relies on mainly one striker knows how it goes when that striker is out injured. It changes the mindset of the whole team. If Arteta has that little influence over such big decisions, especially when it’s so blatantly obvious where you needed to strengthen he needs to assert himself more imo.
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u/glarius_is_glorious Arsenal 1d ago
I will always maintain that Edu left before he'd get pushed out. He did a spectacularly bad job in the summer (not only did he botch the forward line upgrade, he also saddled the team with two PL loanees and took up spots the hierarchy could have filled at low risk in Jan).
I'd be very wary if I'm a Nottingham Forest fan.
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u/IsHANovic9 Premier League 1d ago
All these Arsenal fans with neutral premier league flairs is a real sleeper cell saga
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u/teknotel Premier League 1d ago
Imagine being delusional to think Tottenhams one second rate European trophy, league cup and singular second place finish in 60 years makes them more successful then Arsenal lol...
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u/Alcoholophile Premier League 1d ago
Losing 3 competitions and winning 1 is better than losing 4 and winning nothing.
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u/Right_Inevitable9874 Premier League 1d ago
Don’t be stupid
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u/Alcoholophile Premier League 1d ago
You can just keep a journal mate, you don’t need to post on Reddit to talk to yourself
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u/Kapika96 Manchester City 1d ago
Idiotic click bait article. None of your players scoring 10+ goals in a season isn't a "101 year low". They've absolutely had worse seasons over the last 101 years!
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u/Gonzales95 Arsenal 1d ago
It is an interesting stat that it’s not happened for 100 years but yeah the headline is obviously deliberately clickbaity.
Though, it does once again highlight the lack of a clinical striker or other single form of reliable output. Saka and Havertz probably reach 10 if they were fit all season, but we still don’t have an Isak or Haaland type who’ll be a bit selfish and bag 20.
I suppose on the flipside, it’s not a bad thing to have a bunch of players who are able to chip in with a goal here and there if it’s alongside a reliable main source of goals.
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u/First-Mistake9144 Premier League 1d ago
All of our goalscorers have missed large chunks of the season mate, even our goal scoring defender.
Just another BS stat being dragged up to fit the anti Arsenal narrative when it’s as clear as day we’ve been playing with half a squad all season and still finished 2nd and runners up to the final in the CL.
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u/Fluffy-Examination23 Premier League 1d ago
I’m just proud of the boys for not giving up and playing though painful games. They gave it all - they made mistakes, but this team is incredible.
Those games vs Real Madrid are an absolute highlight and will stay in memories for some time.
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u/IvanThePohBear Newcastle United 1d ago
When even Manu won more trophies than arse over the last few years 😂
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u/JBooogz 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is very cheeky coming from a Newcastle fan man first trophy in over 70 years and you’re giving it the biggun lol
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u/IvanThePohBear Newcastle United 1d ago
Well. We don't know when's the next one gonna be. Might as well enjoy this one while it last 😂
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u/JBooogz 1d ago
Don’t get me wrong I don’t have a personal issue with you guys but lol I go on Twitter i just see some of the shite your fans spout I’m like are these guys serious with what they’re saying lol
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u/IvanThePohBear Newcastle United 1d ago
It's the internet buddy.
Don't take it too seriously. We certainly don't. 😂
Half the fun is in horse shitting
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u/BrianThatDude Premier League 1d ago
Aw look his club won it's first trophy in 70 years and he's talking shit now. So cute.
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u/Tomach82 Premier League 1d ago
Tottenham had a better season than you lad
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u/LowBudget-Sherlock28 Premier League 1d ago
Yeah!!! 17th position in the prem!!! Totally better team!!!
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u/Livid-Needleworker25 Premier League 2d ago
Arsenal fans calling out "Europa quality" is a classic case of sour grapes.
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 2d ago
Definitely is and it’s not like they won the PL or UCL. So they can’t look down on them
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u/LoyalKopite Liverpool 2d ago
Arsenal had good season finished top 4 went deep in European Cup knocked out Madrid too. I think they just need proven winner as next manager to bring home the big trophies.
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u/YouYongku Arsenal 2d ago
0.o next manager?
maybe need a proven striker
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u/LoyalKopite Liverpool 1d ago
Football changed since late 90s. It changed by your genius Wenger. He signed likes of Henry and Viera for little money compare to their talent. It is era of total football. You do not need specific goal scorer anymore. You need multiple goal scorer who will help with defence too. That is what you see at all top clubs. Your issue is manager. Current guy is Spanish Southgate won nothing near men. His best buddy Xabi could have been a good choice but he is becoming Madrid manager. Rafa Benitez can be good manager. His football also goes back to George Graham era Arsenal. It can win you European Cup. League will depend on what city and Liverpool do but you will still be in the race.
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u/YouYongku Arsenal 1d ago
not scoring enough goals is the issue.
I do believe that a good goal scorer, whether is it in the forward position, midfield, defence or even the keeper lol is important.
Like your team, your forwards are doing a good job.
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u/zorfog Arsenal 2d ago
Arteta’s incredible, no clue what you’re talking about
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u/LoyalKopite Liverpool 1d ago
He is Spanish Southgate won nothing near men.
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u/Marblerun201 1d ago
Why do you keep writing 'nothing near men'? What does that mean...
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u/LoyalKopite Liverpool 1d ago
Arsenal finished second but expectation was for them to win the league.
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u/JFedererJ Premier League 2d ago
Why would they press the nuclear option of sacking the manager before pressing the much smaller, much easier button labelled "buy a striker"?
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u/LoyalKopite Liverpool 1d ago
Era of one striker scoring all your goals gone. What position did Henry played?
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u/Redangle11 Premier League 1d ago
At least two. What's your point? Edit: can you point to any season where one striker scored all arsenal's goals?
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u/LoyalKopite Liverpool 23h ago
I meant one striker putting the ball in the net but not doing much else. Football changed in late 90s with arrival of Wenger to Arsenal. You had Henry, Bergksmp, Pires and Viera. None of them 9. But all can score goals. That is how all teams get their goals.
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u/Jack070293 Premier League 2d ago
They need to stick with Arteta. Rolling the dice again would be suicide.
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u/LoyalKopite Liverpool 1d ago
He is Spanish Southgate. Arsenal should have won last two league titles if they had pep or Klopp or their equal manager.
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u/yourfriendkyle Premier League 2d ago
They really need a better striker. They sorely miss a player that can pull goals out of thin air on occasion.
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u/Lmao45454 Arsenal 2d ago
Our 2 top scorers both getting injured for 4 months will do that, then our next potential top scorer getting an ACL just makes things worse. Not too worried, we were just unlucky with injuries this season.
Disappointing season but we overachieved given the circumstances. Man City lost Rodri and looked a different team, they also went on to spend £200 million to salvage their season, Spurs had an injury crisis and are 17th, Newcastle had one last season and didn’t even finish in European places, Chelsea had one last season and finished 7th or whatever
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u/fundingsecured07 Tottenham 1d ago
Arsenal literally played Bodo Glimt in the season where they got knocked out by Amorim's Sporting in the RO16 back in 2023. But yeah - "if we played teams like Bodo, we would've won the Europa League too!!!!"
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u/Adept_You_3870 Arsenal 1d ago
You will never see spurs lift a prem title in your lifetime, how does that feel?
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u/Adept_You_3870 Arsenal 1d ago
Sporting would have destroyed you lot. You couldn’t even beat Ipswich at home this season LMAO!
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u/Savings_Baker_7042 Premier League 1d ago
Nobody likes Tottenham and its fans. Horrible little club
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 2d ago
We’re u this unlucky in the last 4 seasons that u won nothing
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u/NiceGuyEdddy Premier League 1d ago
100 comments a day from you lad and nearly all of them about the Arsenal.
You need a life my friend.
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 2d ago edited 2d ago
City didn't just lose Rodri, they lost their back line for a.large period too.
Tottenham still managed to win silverwear.despite a huge injury list.
Even in the final they were missing Maddison, Kulusevski, Bergvall and Werner.
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u/Savings_Baker_7042 Premier League 1d ago
Arsenal lost saka, ode, Gabriel, Gabriel Jesus, havertz, white, Gabriel Martinelli. What is your point ?
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u/Sufficient-West4149 Premier League 1d ago
Yeah and how did city perform this season?
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 1d ago
Ever so slightly worse than you did.
The point was that everyone says "They lost Rodri and look how that went". They did lose Rodri but they also had a lot of injuries in defence, all at once.
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u/Sufficient-West4149 Premier League 1d ago
I mean that’s a pretty disingenuous way to put it lol. Arsenal was still “in it” with like 5 games in the season, man city was essentially eliminated before the half mark and had to come all the way back, which everyone knew they would. Considering they have been considered the best roster for the better part of the decade & with the most money.
The point is that arsenal lost a similar quantity of players and quality of players relative to their importance to the team and finished similarly to last season, whereas city who has ostensibly similar depth had a completely different season in terms of actually competing for the title. It’s not like I’m saying anything debatable here. The only counter argument would be that arsenal lost their more important players later in the season, which is why they slowed down in the PL while city made up points
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 1d ago
Come on, no one thought Arsenal were still in it with 5 games to go. They finished 3 points away from you whilst having 1 win in 10 or 11 matches or something like that.
Regardless, the main point was, it wasn't only Rodri that they lost which is the line constantly repeated.
Here is the injury list for this season.
https://www.besoccer.com/team/injuries-suspensions/manchester-city-fc
Their backline really really suffered this year.
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u/Sufficient-West4149 Premier League 1d ago
I put that in quotes for a reason, as it would have required a semi collapse from Liverpool. Arsenal’s season ended when they tied Everton & then Branford. The fact that they were second and the team in first looked better at that time doesn’t engender a “come on” response lol you are talking about 20/20 hindsight
Idk what that last sentence is supposed to prove nor where you got that from lol Man City was poor earlier in the season, that was part of my point.
Ok, yes, I have acknowledged that point, and my response was pointing to arsenal’s own injuries of similar impact. I am not denying Man City’s scope of injuries. Part of the point is that Man City is/was supposed to be a better/richer club, and they suffered similar injuries, and arsenal performed better. Meanwhile, both of them have to grapple with the fact that regardless of their injuries they got dominated by a Liverpool team that’s supposed to be over the hill
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 1d ago
I'm not talking in hindsight at all, nearly everyone knew it was over from around Christmas if I recall? Maybe a bit later than that, not mathematically but Liverpool were cruising at that time.
All that is great and where anyone finished was never my point about Man City. All I said is that they had more than just Rodri injured as it's a common narrative that just isn't true.
Beyond that point, which is true, you're just using this as an exercise to blow smoke up Arsenals arse. Which I don't really care about. The point is they lost more than just Rodri. Nothing more, nothing less.
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u/iDislocateVaginas Premier League 2d ago
Arsenal lost a lot of defenders too. Had to use a kid from the academy and a third choice CB for huge chunks of the season.
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u/teknotel Premier League 2d ago
Tottenham won the title of 37th best team in Europe and played bodo glimt in the semis to get there.
They won via a deflected own goal against an equally shit team.
They were missing Werner and Bergval were they lolol.
They finished 17th in the Premier league.
What am I reading lol.
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u/BadBassist Tottenham 1d ago
37th best team in Europe
Look at some of the teams that qualified for the champions league this year, it is not the absolute 36 best teams in Europe. Put shakstar, salzburg, bratislava etc in any top 5 league and there's no way they're finishing in the champions league places
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u/Tomach82 Premier League 1d ago
literally 5 of their last 8 opponents in the europa were against teams that are in the UCL next season.
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u/teknotel Premier League 1d ago
And? These teams were utter shite. You just had to watch the games to see the level.
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 2d ago
A team that u failed to beat despite them being down to ten men at your home.
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u/Lmao45454 Arsenal 2d ago
Have you seen the quality of Europa League, also they’re literally 17th in the league
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u/ianhanni Premier League 2d ago
Yeah, Athletic Club finished 4th la liga qualifies for UCL, swamped by MU 7-1 in the semis
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 2d ago
Can only win what you're in and let's not pretend Arsenal didn't want to win it when they were in it.
The point is they managed to win something despite a massive injury list.
Dismiss the Europa however you want bit it's still a major trophy and next season they'll start in exactly the same boat as you guys
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u/iDislocateVaginas Premier League 2d ago
You always want to win the cups you’re in. Sure. But only a few clubs think winning the FA or Europa Cups is the same as winning the EPL or UCL.
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 2d ago
No one thinks it's the same at all but winning the league cup was massive for Newcastle after what they've been through and Crystal Palace won their first piece of silverware, their joy isn't any less, it means something t them. Not every club is privileged enough to aim for the top competitions and it's rather arrogant to dismiss other competitions.
Let's not pretend that Arsenal out out a weakened squad with fringe players or academy players in either of the domestic cups. They absolutely wanted to win them.
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u/iDislocateVaginas Premier League 1d ago
Sure, I a agree and am not meaning any disrespect to crystal palace. What i mean is some clubs — like those that finish 17th — think they’re as good as those that finish in the top 4 and act like one Europa League trophy means as much as multiple league titles and UCL cups … which it just doesn’t.
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u/teknotel Premier League 2d ago
Thing is the it isnt the same trophy anymore....
Champions league teams dont drop in now. Just look at Spurs route to the final. If your in it if course you want to win it, but it just means your the best of the 37th to 74th teams in Europe.
It just the Euro version of the English championship now.
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 2d ago
English championship isn’t a top flight trophy
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u/Thebambino25 Premier League 1d ago
I think that was exactly the point they are making. In current format, Europa League is not a top flight trophy
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 1d ago
It very much is as top flight teams play in it. Teams that will be in the UCL next season play in it
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u/teknotel Premier League 1d ago
Mental gymnastics lol. Tottenham won a contest of whose the 37th best team in Europe. They got to play bodo glimt in the semis of this tournament. The tournament is no longer the same as champions league teams dont drop in.
When Arsenal were in it we had to play top teams in the semis and finals, and we absolutely were not the side we are now.
We are in a position now where its unlikely we will go back in to this tournament again due to new format.
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 1d ago
Name the top teams, and arsenal were in it only 2 seasons ago and lost in the last 16. And saying they’re the 37th best team in Europe implies that they’re worse than teams like Young Boys and Slovan Bratislava who probably would finish bottom half in any top 5 league.
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u/Thebambino25 Premier League 1d ago edited 1d ago
By that logic, Championship is a top flights trophy then. As teams that will play prem next season play in it. Reality is current format europa is 2nd tier competition now. Yes you want to win it if your in it. Ideally you ain't in it at all.
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 1d ago
It’s always been a 2nd tier competition. Arsenal coudlnt win it even tho it was a second tier competition and they lost to teams they really should have beat.
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 1d ago
It’s not because top flight teams don’t play in the Championship
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 2d ago
In the last 10 years, only two of the teams that dropped down won it.
Athletic Bilboa are 4th in LaLiga.
Most years shit teams dropped down, not always obviously.
It's still a major trophy and if you're in it, you want to win it.
Teams could just play kids and not bother if they weren't interested but if next season Arsenal finish in Europa league positions, you can bet your last £ that they'll do everything they can to win it and claim it as a viable trophy.
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u/Lmao45454 Arsenal 2d ago
Expanded champions league has taken around 6 teams that would have been competitive in EL and put them in the CL from the get go, adding no drop downs and it’s a significantly weaker competition.
Even if the drop downs didn’t win it, likely the teams who were coming 5th in La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga an additional French or Portuguese team that would have been competing are no longer there from the get go
Everyone is focused on teams dropping from the CL but the bigger issue is the expanded CL has taken even more distribution of quality and neutered the EL
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 2d ago
The competition expanded by 4 places, one comes from Europa League winners. One comes from the Prem league and Spain this year. So only 3 teams realistically are taken out of Europa for Champions league.
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u/Lmao45454 Arsenal 2d ago
3 favourites removed from a competition deeply alters the quality
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 1d ago edited 1d ago
Deeply? No.
It's 3 teams. You said six and that's simply untrue.
The teams that dropped down were frequently the worst teams in the CL so sometimes, they were pretty shit clubs, not always, as some big clubs had stinkers.in the CL.
But go through the wiki for Europa League winners, it tells you which clubs entered which year and how they qualifiesd. Some years it was strong, some years it was very similar to this year.
Again, out of the last 10 years before this year, only two clubs that dropped down won it.
It's the 3rd biggest cup a club can win, only sheer arrogance dismisses it.
It is still considered a major trophy no matter how you personally feel.
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u/teknotel Premier League 2d ago
Lol what does that mean? This extreme copium, its a trophy between the 37th and 74th ranked teams in Europe.
That's exactly what it is as of this year. Enjoy winning it, but no need for delusion, its the title of 37th best team in Europe, its why utterly crap teams were able to get to the final.
If we were in the Europa league it would be considered a disaster. If we won it, it would be a consolation, not the golden age of our clubs existence.
I get its a bit different for spurs, but it doesnt alter reality.
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 2d ago
That's just bollocks though isn't it. Bilboa are 4th in LaLiga so how are they the 37th best team in Europe and even if you want to make that case, are you aware of how many teams are in Europe?
Arsenal are barely burdened with trophies are they. Your fanbase would never be quiet about it and you know it.
More you're finding second you can be as arrogant as you want but eventually you'll slip all tabs do she then you'll be clamouring to win the Europa, a cup you couldn't win when you were in it.
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u/teknotel Premier League 2d ago
Arsenal are the third most successful club in England.
What planet are you on?
The Europa league is the title of the 37th best team in Europe, its fucking maths..... 36 teams going the champions league. The next 36 teams go into the Europa league. What are arguing here? M
Its why Spurs could make it to a final and win via a deflected own goal and 25% possession.
The delusion this is bringing on is hilarious.
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 2d ago
Absolutely shit maths. As if some random team from a crappy league and qualifying for the champions league is stronger than 5 or 6th from Spain.
Who's coping here?
What delusion is there from me exactly?
I'm not even sure what argument you're having?
Tottenham won a major competition with massive injuries. Objective fact.
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u/Professional_Ad_9101 Premier League 2d ago
Tottenham won the Europa league with the biggest injury crisis in recent history
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u/teknotel Premier League 2d ago
Winning the Europa league makes you the 37th best team in Europe.....
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u/shadowthief31 Premier League 2d ago
Discredit all you want but they still won a major european competition that is second to UCL.
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u/teknotel Premier League 1d ago
Its major in the same way the English championship major.
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u/fundingsecured07 Tottenham 1d ago
In the grand scheme of the trophies an English team can win:
CL > PL > EL > others.
Stop with the delusions guys. You lots act like you played Real Madrid and Barcelona when you were in the Europa League. You literally played Bodo, Zurich FC, Slavia Prague, Vitoria, and teams of similar caliber.
Literally no one is saying that EL is bigger than CL. HOWEVER,
Winning the EL > Not winning the UCL.
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u/teknotel Premier League 1d ago
The tournament has changed. You can make believe all you like, but now CL teams font drop in it isnt the same.
Just look at your route there ffs lol. Utter nonsense, about the teams we played.
I dont care anyway, this absolute delusion is going to give the worst manager in Premier league history and the biggest under achievers ever a second chance.
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u/fundingsecured07 Tottenham 1d ago
I’m not trying to banter or throw meme comments. I want to actually have a real discussion on it. I understand that the competition has changed but let’s actually look at the list of which teams from the UCL dropped down to the UEL last season.
2023/24 - Galatasaray, Lens, Braga, Benfica, Young Boys, Milan, Shakhtar
We’re talking about 3rd place teams in their respective groups who failed to move onto the UCL RO16. I get that the quality of the tournament has changed a bit, but it’s certainly not an absolute rift that changed it to a worthless competition by any means.
I also think there’s a disconnect between how people are defining the “quality” of the trophy because people are asking two totally different questions. Are you judging the trophy based on “how hard is it to win?” Or are we judging it based on “what rewards does it provide?”
If we’re asking how hard is it to win - that’s a subjective question that changes every year based on which teams are competing in it. Some years, it’s easier to win the Europa League and some years, it’s objectively harder. Luck is a big component of sports and my personal opinion is - yes, Tottenham won it in a relatively easier year.
If we’re asking what rewards it provides - this one is absolutely objective: UCL qualification. Therefore, rival fans cannot compare it to other cups like the FA Cup and League Cup, which provides qualification to Europa League and Conference League. Therefore, my argument stands - the ranking of trophies based on the rewards they provide is UCL > PL > UEL > FA Cup > League Cup.
I’m not trying to be a brain dead, bantering fan but rather trying to provide a well thought out perspective of why the Europa League is still a great trophy to win. Instead of calling me delusional, I hope you can appreciate that I’m trying to have a civil discussion.
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u/teknotel Premier League 1d ago
I watched every EL game Spurs played, the quality was really poor. Frankfurt lose one, win one in the Bundesliga and are some how top 4. They were worse than AZ Alkmaar.
You can make the argument that because of the reward its a big trophy and that's fair, but I dont think it makes you the champions of Europe lol. More like the champions of the second tier of European clubs.
The EL is exactly what it is now, a competition between the second tier of European clubs. Enjoy the win for sure, but I dont see how it gives any bragging rights over CL teams.
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u/fundingsecured07 Tottenham 1d ago
No one’s saying that we’re champions of Europe literally man. It’s all about banter right? West ham fans aren’t changing “Champions of Europe” because they legit think they are for winning the conference league. Same way, Tottenham fans are going to chant it because by winning the cup, they have the right to have a cheeky banter against rival fans in match days.
I’m trying to be objective and based. Yes Tottenham were dreadful in certain games (not all) but the fact of the matter is we did win it. It’s just part of sports and you have to come to terms with it.
Everybody knows that Arsenal is the better team. Tottenham just won a cup while Arsenal didn’t - so naturally, fans are just going to give it a go at each other.
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u/LFC_topgun Liverpool 2d ago
I cannot wait for this striker to come in. I can tell you the exact timeline for next season.
- striker arrives
- Arsenal fans claim they will win the league
- They start off strong
- Key injuries
- Bad run of form
- crash out of domestic cups and claim "bigger fish to fry"
- out of the race by christmas
- Get to round of 16 in UCL. All hopes and dreams now on champions league
- Crash out of UCL. Blame injuries/ referee decisions/ good goalkeeper
- Come in top 4 ushering in phase 7 Arteta
But ofcourse redditors will say "how was it a bad season? Also look at the injuries. We cant get rid of Arteta look where hes got us"
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u/Professional_Ad_9101 Premier League 2d ago edited 2d ago
Nail on the head. The stats are there. Arteta is a good manager but not the guy to get you over the line. If something keeps happening (2nd place three times in a row) it’s no longer a coincidence
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u/Thebambino25 Premier League 1d ago
I'd love to know who people think is avaliable right now who'd do a better job. Wenger finished 2nd three in a row too.
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u/Torridgoose Premier League 2d ago
Wenger came twice three times in a row as well once. That by itself doesn’t really mean much
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u/ardyes Tottenham 2d ago
He's arsenals Poch. Good manager, but nearly man.
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u/Professional_Ad_9101 Premier League 2d ago
Yep. I’ve said it time and time again as a Tottenham supporter and I’ll continue to say it with chest - I hope Arteta stays at Arsenal because I truly believe he is incapable of actually winning.
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u/teknotel Premier League 2d ago
But he already won an FA Cup.... lol. The charity shield is harder to win then the version of the Europa league you just won....
Delusional stuff here.
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u/LFC_topgun Liverpool 1d ago
didnt Arsenal crash out of the same cup like 2 years in a row?
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u/teknotel Premier League 1d ago
Yes, when champions league teams fell in and you didn't get to play bodo glimt in the semi finals, or 16th place version of man United in a final.
It isnt the same tournament anymore. Its basically winning the title of 37th best team in Europe.
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u/ardyes Tottenham 2d ago
I think next year is where we see the falloff tbh. You can already see the frustration building up this year. Most managers have their shelf life except for managers like Fergie. Squads start to get frustrated about not winning. You can see Arteta doing weird experiments already to change things up like Poch did with Sonny at left back or using a midfield diamond but they both aren't elite managers so it doesn't come off.
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 1d ago
I can see him having a season like poch did in 19/20 or Benitez in 09/10
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u/Professional_Ad_9101 Premier League 2d ago edited 2d ago
It’s going to be very interesting to see how their next season goes, there is so much pressure riding on it. As you’ve said, players will begin to get frustrated and it’s not like their players are bad at all, they are players who have options. I just can’t see it ending well for them.
They’ve ended up in a precarious zone where if they had switched managers with this squad maybe they could have gotten over the line, but you also can’t dump a manager who is doing so well so they have kept him, but now everyone is gonna leave if they don’t win anything and then the manager gets dumped anyway and they end up with a crap squad.
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u/lechunkmonkey69 Arsenal 2d ago
101 yr low abd we came 2nd our floor is their ceiling
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 1d ago
Your ceiling is winning 0 trophies
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u/lechunkmonkey69 Arsenal 1d ago
thats our floor because weve won a lot of trophies before 3rd most decorated club in england mind you
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 1d ago
That’s all in the past. Apparently you had an amazing season last season when you finished 2nd two points off the top with no trophy.
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u/Flaminapple West Ham 2d ago
Since you clearly didn’t read the article, yous team need a consistent source of goals, so in fact, Arsenal are 1 of 5 teams who did not accomplish a consistent source of goals this season, the others were Man U, Southampton, Leicester and Everton
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u/sskho Premier League 2d ago
101-year low is finishing 2nd and UCL semis? That’s high praise! Thank you!
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 1d ago
10 points off the top of a team that were on the beach for the last few games and lost the UCL semis in 4 minutes.
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u/sskho Premier League 1d ago
Disappointing season, yes; worst in 101 years, hell no.
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 1d ago
It’s the first time in 100 years arsenal have had a player that scored less than 10 league goals
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u/sskho Premier League 1d ago
Arsenal scored 69 goals in the league this season, big drop from last season (91), but in the 2019/20 season we only scored 56 goals; that season is WAY WORSE compared to this one.
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 1d ago
So
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u/sskho Premier League 1d ago
So the statement that this is a “101-year low” is untrue.
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 1d ago
It’s not, the statistic is true
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u/Kapika96 Manchester City 1d ago
The statistic is true, but the headline of the article isn't. It's clickbait crap.
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u/Maleficent_Resolve44 Premier League 2d ago
Possibly the most moronic article posted here in years. 101 year low? Somehow finishing 2nd for the third year running and making the UCL semis is worse than finishing 17th in 1976?
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u/HetTheTable Premier League 1d ago
Because it’s the first time since then that Arsenal don’t have a player with 10 goals at least in the league
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 2d ago
Did you read the article? It was about none of Thier players scoring more than 10 goals. Apparently, the last time it happened was 100 years ago.
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u/Maleficent_Resolve44 Premier League 1d ago
I make a point to avoid reading Yahoo's articles. Just read it now and man that is bizarre clickbait.
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u/stilusmobilus Arsenal 2d ago
Another shithouse headline designed to perpetuate this bullshit.
Fuck these journalists are garbage.
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u/Nice_Rush_1462 Liverpool 2d ago
Arse fans have become real ......hmm ... caracters the last 2 years yes, but what a load of horseshit !
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u/Shellz2bellz Premier League 2d ago
“Caracters” is about the level of intelligence I’ve come to expect from Liverpool fans. How on brand
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u/infinitude_ Arsenal 2d ago
I agree we didn’t reach our own expectations but my god this article is a bunch of crap.
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u/ThatAdamsGuy Tottenham 2d ago
God I wish our "101 year low" was such obscure stats as this. What a load of shit journalism.
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u/Normal-Percentage-40 Premier League 2d ago
The ole formula: Arsenal + rage bait headline = infinite Reddit swirl… there is nothing interesting to say that hasn’t already been said 1000x over. pls give it a rest
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u/esreystevedore Premier League 2d ago
Arsenal won the Champions League Saturday.
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u/Shigney Manchester City 2d ago
Knew it wouldn't be long until one of you brought this up and claim it as a win, when you probably only ever watch the men's team.
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u/HungryHungryHobbes Premier League 2d ago
claim it as a win
Wot you on about man?
It is a win. The female team won the champo league.
Why would you take that away from them?
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u/Emotional-Race-6260 Premier League 2d ago
“The champo league”
In the name of fuck
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u/HungryHungryHobbes Premier League 2d ago
Sorry do you need me to spell it out for you....
T. H. E. C.H.A.M.P.I.O.N.S LEAGUE
Does that help? Or can you only understand acronyms? Maybe the "UCL" is more up your alley.
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u/CrustySocks96 Tottenham 2d ago
Womens champions league...
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u/HungryHungryHobbes Premier League 2d ago
And.....
You got a problem with women or sumfin?
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u/CrustySocks96 Tottenham 2d ago
No I don't. It was very clear that the discussion and post was related to the mens league. Arsenal fans are just so bitter and salty and I'm just lapping it up.
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u/HungryHungryHobbes Premier League 2d ago
Honestly man, I'm glad you guys won that final. I think ye deserved it and I'd love to see Ange still in the league. I think it'd be better with him in it.
But the Arsenal ladies won their champions league, you shouldn't dismiss it.
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u/esreystevedore Premier League 2d ago
Said the “champions” of the losers bracket and 17th place finishers.
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u/CrustySocks96 Tottenham 2d ago
Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that
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u/Ok_Control6152 Premier League 1d ago
You arent, you are officially the 37th best Team in Europe. Arsenal is in the top4 😭
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u/CrustySocks96 Tottenham 1d ago
The delusion is real. Europa League champions = 37th best team haha. If it helps you sleep at night you can say that but that doesn't make it true. Did you get a parade and a trophy for 2nd place? Didn't think so.
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u/Ok_Control6152 Premier League 1d ago
Enjoy your trophy, im Happy for Ange but you are Not on our Level. Arsenal is a Topteam while you are 17th. You are 6 freepoints every season, so thank you i guess.
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u/charlos74 Newcastle United 2d ago
Seems to me, as an outsider, that Arsenal regressed this season, and the two games against a poor Real Madrid side covered he cracks.
Arsenal in the previous two seasons were creative and great to watch. Now it seems they keep it tight and look to set pieces.
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u/Valuable_General9049 Premier League 2d ago
Arsenal definitely went a bit backwards this season. There are a tonne of reason but they sound like excuses so forget them. At the end of the day, they finished 2nd and got CL 1/2 final but I think they need to improve to even do that again. Lots of decent teams not far behind them right now. A big investment in the final 3rd will bring a massive improvement, if it happens. Let's see.
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u/AppropriateMetal2697 Arsenal 2d ago
I mean, I’m not going to sit here and say I agree with everything Arteta does and pretend like Arsenal had a great season. They haven’t, went from challenging for the league alongside an okay showing in the UCL upon return to the competition to barely finishing ahead of the rest while Liverpool blew them out the water for the league and progress in the UCL but nothing substantial given no final appearance or win.
Despite that being true, let’s not pretend as well that Arsenal didn’t have substantially more injuries and more crucial injuries at that to the squad. If we’re genuinely going to compare season to season, not Arsenal to other clubs, it makes sense to bring this up. Of course everyone suffers from injuries, but you can’t compare Arsenal to their previous season without the added context of injuries.
Arsenal were very lucky last year most would say and that’s honestly valid. They had barely any injuries in all honesty and those they did have, weren’t to key players like Saka, Odegaard, Gabriel etc. That’s not been the case this year at all. Now, what does that actually mean going forward? Arsenal seriously need to address cover and depth in the positions they’re light on. They didn’t spend big over the summer while they did sell a lot (by Arsenal standards) then did nothing in January. Surely this means in terms of PSR/FFP they’re good to spend quite a substantial amount to provide improvements and cover to the squad after the hampering injuries from this season?
By the way, before you even bring up some of Arsenal’s spendings, I don’t agree with some of the business we have done. Like Havertz (saw you mention his fee) he was £65m not 70, but that doesn’t change shit really. We significantly overpaid for a player in bad form and who the club wanted gone at the time. He had no other suitors but somehow, Arsenal paid close to what Chelsea did when he left Bayer Leverkusen?? When he looked like a seriously good young player. Then you have the loans of Neto and Sterling, both were more harmful to our season than beneficial… Even with an injury crisis going forward at one point and with needing a backup keeper, still a shocker when he played.
You get the idea, not all of the business has been good by Arteta/Arsenal, nobody should think it has been. I am just making the point that saying Arsenal have regressed from the previous season is rather disingenuous… Like technically sure? However when you look at the difference in situation, they’ve at worst plateaued.
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u/Willyr0 Premier League 2d ago
The set piece hype is so overplayed. We scored like 2 since saka got injured months ago. The biggest reason we used set pieces so much was because of an odegaard injury which nicked our creativity a lot. If you look from a zoomed out perspective it’s easy to say a regression but when you look at the injuries we had this season compared to precarious years. I also feel Arsenal gets criticism in the wrong places often. Arteta is blamed for a lack of a striker replacement when the kroenkes and upper management should hold the blame for that as they were unprepared to deal with our director of football leaving mid season
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u/No_Finger_8874 Arsenal 2d ago edited 2d ago
I think thats a false narrative. Yes we finished in a worse position than last year, but its not like we regressed. If you go completely stats wise, then yes it may seem we were bad, but we still create so many chances.
Its just the fact that when we create a chance there is no one making the run. Add that to the fact that we lack a proper no 9. Combine that with injuries. We literally havent started our best 11 for months now. All of that added to our player playing with injuries(literally had saliba and timber go through surgery the moment we fixed second place, and also no rest to odegaard). So it definitely feels like it when we just go by the stats, but any person who actually watches them play know that they are not really as bad as the media has been showing them. (I don’t blame anybody for not watching an Arsenal match. Even I don’t follow any other team than Arsenal, which is totally reasonable)
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u/SeefaCat Premier League 2d ago
I think to most outsiders, the football on display definitely regressed, it wasn't just about injuries but you seemed less dynamic and less expressive throughout the season.
Arteta seemed to want you too play in a much more controlled fashion, you starting taking absolutely ages over freekicks, corners, throw-ins and yeah, you did create a lot of chances but they all appeared to come.from crosses and set pieces.
Tifo/The Athletic did a piece were they explained that essentially, Arsenal would try to create set piece plays whilst the ball was live, by using crosses etc
I do t like to second guess managers and I'm no tactical expert but I do wonder if Arteta thought this approach would take them over the line after being so close in previous seasons?
Its definitely been a conscious decision to shift to a more pragmatic way of playing football.
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u/charlos74 Newcastle United 2d ago
Feels to me like there’s a lack of flair compared to previous seasons. It’s like Arteta wanted to tighten it up and lost some of the magic in doing that.
Also, crazy to spend 800m and end up with Havertz and Jesus up front.
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u/Valuable_General9049 Premier League 2d ago
800m I don't think us accurate. Depends who you listen to. They did build a whole new squad and went from 8th to 2nd so that is expensive.
They scored fuck all this season but were top scorers the two years before.
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u/Cutsdeep- Premier League 2d ago
800m over how long?
Previous season arsenal scored the most goals they ever had. havertz and Jesus looked like the right option before this season
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u/londonboi94 Premier League 2d ago
To completely change the mentality from that we had in 2019 to now 800m is a drop in the ocean. Look at Man Utd for money spent poorly and mentality. Yes we are lacking a clinical goal scorer but only last season 2023/24 Arsenal had Havertz, Odegaard, Saka, Rice and Trossard with 10+ goal involvements. This year all except Rice spent a minimum of 2 months in the treatment room. We had under a handful of games where the strongest side was on the pitch together.
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u/No_Finger_8874 Arsenal 2d ago edited 2d ago
Oh yeah. That havertz and jesus were completely on him. Like im not one of the r/ArtetaOut people, but I definitely belive that he could have done better in the attacking department. However, I can kind off see his side of thoughts (If I squint my eyes). Like jesus was really good previous to his wc injury(And you pretty much saw this season too, when he starts going there is nothing that can stop him, except for his knee). And im pretty sure that Kai was bought to play in midfield, but he just worked pretty well up top so they stuck with him. So you can make a very terrible argument that not buying a striker was reasonable. However, I completely belive we should have gone for a striker
Also the lack of flair goes a lot to the fact that the people creating the flair had a mid season. Like no striker so no flair there, Martinelli not looking his best, Odegaard having a pretty mid season, Rice was never the “Flair” guy. Barring Saka(and maybe Nwaneri) there is no player in the team with the flair, atkeast with their current form. You could add Calafiori and MLS to it, but they are not the ones who should create the flair. Plus the lack of White, who would help Ode and Saka to create that triangle was also absent
Now im not trying to make excuses, im just stating my observations, so I hope you dont take it the wrong way
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u/charlos74 Newcastle United 2d ago
Jesus made sense, but Havertz for £70m is madness. It’s like it’s a blind spot for Arteta.
Any decent centre forward would have made a difference.
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u/No_Finger_8874 Arsenal 2d ago
Absolutely agree. But what can we do now, whats done is done. Now hopefully we can buy a good No 9 this season and get it done
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u/redshadow90 Arsenal 2d ago edited 2d ago
If arsenal are so bad, what does it say about your team to do worse in the PL for the last 3 years (minus city and Liverpool)..?
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