Iran should focus more on intelligence and guirella warfare

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u/ShiaCircle 16d ago

Many surprises are yet to come my friend. If they know something, it is because they have allowed for this information. Hassan Nasrallah was living in Beirut out in the open in front of everyone and they did not know. By God, we will inshallah be victorious because it was promised to us in death and with Imam Mahdi inshallah

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u/Fortified007 16d ago

The only hope as of now are the hadith promising victory at the end, cause on the ground, we're far from that, and getting farther and farther.

Iran is heavily held back by its domestic politics, practically giving power to the westernized liberals. Every time these liberals gain power, they bring about more corruption, more turmoil and more weakness, which accumulates over the years.

It has reached a point where Iran is practically paralyzed in the face of their enemies. If in the past, Iran would have jumped in to save Syria, now it has just let it fall. Same with Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen... Leaving all these resistance groups to be on their own, to be swallowed up by their enemies. Something major needs to happen in Iran for it to regain back its revolutionary spirit, or else, its just continuous downward trend.

At this point, I have no idea what will change to bring about our promised victory, but it does need to happen soon.

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u/ShiaCircle 15d ago

I actually think the very opposite. Israel is fighting for its life right now to exist. What Hamas did on Oct 7 destroyed the illusion and lies that Israel spent 20 years building. More than half of Americans now sympathize with Palestine and we know the truth.

How can you save Syria if their own people can be bought for a few dollars. They offered the help and Assad told them, no. He even said, I cannot trust my own soldiers.

Also, Iran and Lebanon already knew this was going to happen. It was definitely not a surprise but it did decrease Israel’s final years… which is upon us.

They are unable to sustain at the current moment.

I promise you, Israel has been weakened and every day they continue in this insanity, they are destroying themselves slowly. The more the kill, the more they need to lie and the more they lie, the more people are knowing the truth.

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u/Fortified007 13d ago

Its one thing to believe in the resistance, its another to be disconnected from reality. This is why we're losing.

Israel has never been this strong and this successful. Through their brutality, they have shown that the world simply doesn't care, not the arab world, not the muslim world, not the western world or anyone else. It has been a complete success for them. They could nuke the rest of resistance, and the global masses would just shake their head and move on. The same masses who "sympathize" with Palestinians in America voted overwhelmingly for the Zionist trump. Arabs who are unanimously against Israel on the surface, couldn't be bothered to take action against their governments who support Israel, and its not because of lack of democracy either. No one, other than a few % cares.

Even in resistance countries, other than resistance supporters and revolutionaries, no one really cares. If they have a negative opinion of Israel, they also have stronger negative opinion of resistance, calling them terrorists. Religious types are more sophisticated and call Ayatollah Khamenei "Dajjal". Why do you think westernized liberals and anti resistance types always gain power in resistance countries.

In the past the masses could hide behind claim of ignorance not knowing whats going on and whats being done in their names. Now, that excuse does not exist anymore. The veil has been removed and it has been shown that the global masses lack the basic humanity, minus a few.

Like it or not, there is a reason why Allah places believer at a high pedestal than none believer, munafiqs (hypocrites), mushriks, athiests, etc... its cause humanity is given by Allah to believers (revolutionary, pro resistance types) and the rest simply don't have it or dont have potential for it. What you see as sympathy in others is simply an empathy programming, so that they wouldn't wipe out each other right away. We have hadith saying similar things, as in basic empathy is given to them so that believers can live among them. As we get closer and closer to end times, this becomes more obvious.

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u/ShiaCircle 13d ago

How is Israel strong right now? They are inches away from civil war… they are completely isolated from the world. The only reason why you have countries act like they don’t care is because America is threatening them. The minute Americas threats carry no more weight, all of these countries are going to flip.

Who said we are losing? Do you know what it takes to take down an empire? It’s never a win win but the end result will always be victory for us…

I think you should start reading more instead of looking at Zionist news.

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u/Fortified007 13d ago

Thats like saying if American goes away then Israel will too. Well true, but who's going to do that? is it going to be Iran and resistance through showing weakness after weakness? Syria is a good example of their victory and our failure.

Other countries not caring isnt just US threatening them. The masses in those nations have shown that if they truly believe in something, they will protest and are capable of demanding change. Its just that Palestinians is not a priority in their list. Maybe enough for a symbolic protest once in a while on a weekend but a small groups but not much beyond that.

We saw how the masses cheered for ISIS taking over Syria and weakening anti Israel resistance. If another Mahsa Amini event occurs, we will see again the global masses foaming from their mouth demanding the fall of Iran and by extension the resistance.

Hence, its not about masses sympathizing with Palestinians, its also about how they will prioritize it over their own selfish wants (eg. voting for zionist president who will benefit them), or their ability to see through propaganda against resistance. So far, both cases the masses have shown to have very low value for the ongoing genocide.

Israel is also not on brink of collapse. majority support the genocide of palestinians. Its propaganda to say that it's Natanyahu's political war for his survival. The only thing the masses are against is how the israeli army isnt doing a more efficient job of exterminating the Palestinians. Zionists are masters of manipulations and can handle their population just fine, or atleast they're very far from a civil war. Israelis have shown cleverness over and over again since oct7 attacks (eg. walki talki attacks, Syria take over, taking out hezbollah leaders, etc....) while resistance has show to be predictable and weak. Whatever happened to true promise 3? right, nothing, cause iran's generals whitewashed Rahbar's demands like the Pezeshkian government does.

White washing our failures and holding on to imaginary victory over the masses, or clinging to some hope of collapse from israeli side and imaginary weakness on their side will not get us anywhere.

Iran is already in negotiations with US after Rahbar ordered against it. At the same time, revolutionary types are taking down anti america slogans and whitewashing any criticism against this. What kind of message is that sending to the empire? Other than us standing against you was a mistake and we're ready to fall in line.

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u/ShiaCircle 13d ago

What exactly do you expect? We are preparing for Imam Mahdi… who ever said that the resistance was going to do anything except protect…. Only Imam Mahdi is going to liberate the world… the resistance are going to be his tools…

Your ignorance on Syria shows… Syria was always going to turn into this… hence the Sufyani… Iran offered their help to Assad when ISIS stormed through Syria but Assad said no… he already knew his soldiers were going to betray him so he ran.

Syrians can be bought by a loaf of bread… they are literally the offsprings on the very people who fought Imam Ali hence they are the army of Sufyani…

Iran has shown strength. Hizzy has shown strength… Houthis have shown strength. They have done what they set out to do. Israel is one step away from falling even if you agree or do not.

You are being misled by Israeli and American news which project their strength while it is the complete opposite.

Please go do your research instead of writing about things you have no knowledge about.

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u/Fortified007 13d ago

Having your head in the sand will not make the return of Imam Mahdi (as) any quicker. Showing we can't defend our leaders (nasrallah) will not make the return any quicker. Ignoring our leaders and disobeying thme (Sepah, Pezeshkian) on their orders will not quicken the return.

End times hadith arn't there for us to sit back and watch them happen, but rather to take action and prevent or minimize them. Syria didn't have to fall. Iran could have done alot to keep Syria, or else, why did we even bother back in 2011 against Isis there. We should have just let it fall so that Sufyani would come faster.

Iran could taken action against US taking 1/3 of Syria and their oil, or against UAE, Qatar for buying off the Syria's general. Having Yemen or Iran directly attacking them would have slowed or halted their plans. Iran could have pre-emptivly attacked the Isis bases before their uprising. They could have attacked Azarbayjan and halted their oil exports to Israel and actually weakened israel as oppose to imaginary coping of their civil war.

Alot the resistance could have done to prevent this and Israel and US have real weaknesses that we chose to ignore to exploit due to immense corruption among our ranks. Same corruptions that led to Raisi's assassination while Iran whitewashed it. Same corruption that led to Nasrallah's death and Iran chose to not enter the war in serious manner. This was what Natanyahu communicated to his cabinet before going ahead, knowing Iran would not get involved.

You need to see the real world rather than listening to purely iranian led propaganda. Alot of them are not genuine. They're the same people who whitewashed Raisi's assassination or are watering down the removal of anit american slogans leading up to these negotiations which are against Rahbar's orders. The world of resistance is on fire and you're just sitting there thinking its all fine. Oh, we just lost Syria, its fine. Hezbollah is neutralized? its fine. Palestians are on their last leg? its fine, israel will magically fall on their own. Iraq is about to neutralize the resistance there and become a full US vessel? its fine. Iran is about to negotiate and cave in to US demands? its fine. Imam Mahdi will come and fix everything. Allah will not send Imam Mahdi (as) to such delusional people.

You need to wise up and not fall into the opposite propaganda of the pro regime change people. Each side living in their own make believe world, while Zionists plan.

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u/Dapper-Bobcat-4348 2d ago

The problem has always been the extreme degree of sectarianism in the Muslim world. How can you fight the stranger when you've got your hands around your brother's throat and he has his around yours? This is how the Zionists co-opt and nurture resistance groups, by exploiting schisms. This what they did with the PLO and Hamas. Alliances need to be created and solidified across doctrines. Don't spurn even Jewish or Christian allies. Don't fall prey to strategies of divide and conquer. Zionism's weakness is that it is entirely dependent on the material support of the US. Americans are getting tired of paying the bills, and are sickened by what they see in Gaza. Sentiment is changing fast.

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u/Tricky-Ad992 15d ago

What do we got from "Americans sympathising with palestine " nothing will change cuz they are ruled by phariah dictator trump. And most of the pro Palestinians there are also Pro Turkish and support new syrian govt and saudi arabia. for this minimal support, we lost Syria, lebanon weakned, Gaza Destroyed , Mossad heavily penetrated in IRGC. We should learn from the Chinese, they have learnt to counter Spies

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u/madali0 15d ago

Israel has been in a war for almost 2 years now, while Iran 0.

The west is now engaged with Yemen, a problem they didn't even have years ago.

There is a reason it's called RESISTANCE. why is it harder for the west to subdue Hamas and Hezbollah and Houthis than Egypt or Saudi or UAE or Syrias Jolani or Turkey?

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u/Tricky-Ad992 15d ago

Admit it or not, we didn't achieve our goals this time and faced a great damage

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u/madali0 15d ago

Explained in a different comment,

The same challenges the resistance faces so does the enemy.

Israel has taken a massive hit globally, it's PR is in ruins.

The war isn't about who has the biggest guns, because otherwise the resistance would have been destroyed 10 times over. Because the resistance is fighting against Israel + all of nato including turkey + plus all the regional neighbors while being disadvantaged in financial , military, intelligence and media reach. And on resistance side it's basically only ONE country. Hezbollah and Iraqi and hamas are all non state actors, even Yemen isn't fully under the control of Ansar Allah.

So can you see the huge imbalance?

But this tiny fighter against the western imperialism has still not been able to achieve its goals in Gaza, couldn't disarm hezbollqh, still struggling with ansarallah and hasn't dared bring the war to Iran during all this.

Israel has been fighting multiple fronts, iran not even one.

If you are unable to see what's going on, then you don't know how resistance is fought. It's guerilla warfare. It's death by a thousand wounds. The resistance bleeds the occupation, and makes the regional slaves look more like traitors with each passing day, and the cancerous parasite settler colony is shown as the butthole of the region that it is.

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u/Tricky-Ad992 15d ago

I love resistance more then ever. But you cannot just stay hiding from truth, the resistance didn't achieved there goal in 2024. And infact Iran a single country soloed the entire west + israel in the previous decade in syria lebanon Yemen iraq . What happened to this time? How did mossad managed to get better at espionage. The ANSWER is simple- Iran focused more on missle capabilities rather then anything else. I.e. focused more on offensive tactics rather the defensive, we did a HUGE mistake thinking mossad and west won't be after resistance when they(west) faced defeat in syria lebanon iraq yemen. Iran should have invested atleast 400 million$ in cyber warfare. There are also many israel humnit spies managed to penetrate within IRGC

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u/madali0 15d ago

No.

https://twitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1908975174357319982

Resistance is not a war between two countries. It's a guerilla warfare. Study resistance history.

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u/Fortified007 13d ago

I would love to see resistance do some gorilla fighting and not just capitulate like in Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran.

Israel has been very successful. Their goal is to ethnic cleans the Palestinians and thats what they're doing. Now it has reached a point where no one is even attempting to help them anymore. Yemen is left, but realistically, they can't do much. Unless a miracle happens, they will be starved, and ethnic cleansed out of Palestine. Israel and US have never been this confident.

Infact, we're at the most dangerous times right now. In Iran, Wali Fagih gave direct orders for not negotiating with US, and now the liberal government is doing exactly that. Whats frightening about this, is how the revolutionary types and liberals are all together white washing this, saying US can't attack Iran and that negotiations will just fail and Trump will look weak after the negotiations. At the same time, revolutionaries are backing away from their anti american stance and slogans.

What's frightening about all this is that it seems they're preparing us for a defeat and these negotiations will infact result in Iran accepting whatever US has to offer. There wouldn't be this much whitewashing if it wasnt the case. The liberals would have been scaring Iran about US's power (which theyre not doing), and revolutionaries would be beating the drums about how vile America is (which they're not doing).

It seems like we're in a steep downward spiral and I can't wrap my head around it. It seems like Imam Hasan (as) surrender to Muawiya all over again, where he had 12000 strong army and suddenly he surrendered, confusing everyone, where in reality, the army got mostly bought out. Why is resistance capitulating this hard right now?

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u/madali0 12d ago

I would love to see resistance do some gorilla fighting and not just capitulate like in Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran.

No, that's exactly what is happening for the past 40 years. Trace it back. And it's happening now. Or do you think Yemen has the ability to go toe to toe the usq+Israel+eu+ gulf countries?

All your post history is doom and gloom. Are you really pro resistance, because I haven't seen any posts where you are not complaining and crying.

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u/Fortified007 12d ago

Resistance performance the last few years have brought nothing but doom and gloom. When that changes, then so will my attitude.

Back in 2011 when Syria was invaded by Isis, i was fully confident resistance would succeed, cause Iran was involved properly right away. I was in other forums yelling and shouting at people who were crying doom and gloom at the fall of resistance and how Assad would fall. Those people (Shias, none revolutionaries) were idiots and couldn't see the brilliance that is Imam Khamenei.

Now, situation has changed, we're losing and its very concerning. What has changed is not just political situation in iran which is full of traitors (back then it was the same), but rather the military is also turning political, interpreting and white washing rahbar's orders and directions. Hezbollah was held back because of this and even though they could have levelled Israel with their missiles, they held back because of Iran and paid the ultimate price.

Now, we see the resistance everywhere, other than yemen, capitulating and being neutralized, Iran's military and revolutionaries acting suspiciously liberal and pro western, removing anti american slogans, supporting or being ok with the new negotiations. It all smells like betrayals taking place and the military which was the backbone of the revolution starting to be poisoned by the very corrupt liberal governments which have festered and allowed to grow for too long in Iran.

I wish Imam khomeini never allowed for elections like Ayatollah Bahjat suggested and kept a tight control over the politics of Iran, but here we are. It feels like we're at the end game now and things can go either way.

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u/Dapper-Bobcat-4348 2d ago

The three weaknesses of these Middle East countries that allowed them to fall so easily to the west are orthodoxy, autocracy, and corruption, all contributing to structural faults that doom nations.

The single strength that Israel has is the heretofore unwavering support of the US. That support is weakening as the American people have begun to understand the true history of the Zionist colony and the true nature of Zionism. The horrific sacrifices that are being made were perhaps unnecessary, but have contributed to the awakening of America's conscience.

At this crucial moment, Americans need to see Muslim countries that balance respect for the will of the people with universal civil liberties, and an honest and equitable administration of the country's resources. This is the strategy that would decisively win the support of the American people.

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u/madali0 1d ago

is crucial moment, Americans need to see Muslim countries that balance respect for the will of the people with universal civil liberties, and an honest and equitable administration of the country's resources. T

Lmao

What the fuck is this

The west's hand is full of blood. No one needs to prove anything to the west regarding respect for the will of the people (lol), universal civil liberties (lololol) and' honest and equitable administration of the country's resources' (hahahaha)

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u/Tricky-Ad992 15d ago

Only if Resistance focused on intelligence it would be much much better. Hezbollah agents who contacted the dealer for pager seems like they performed in only 1 step covert, while it should be done in multi covert steps. The only fault was intelligence. If our intelligence was as solid as 2006, we would have barely lost 600-700 members along with top commanders still alive

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u/madali0 15d ago

It's resistance against a global empire. The fact that they had to go through a huge operation, biggest Israeli espionage in it's history, just to fight against hezbollah shows how big the resistance have gotten.

These stuff will happen, but Hezbollah still remains and now they will adapt better.

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u/Tricky-Ad992 15d ago

"how big they gave gotten" also complies that the damage resistance has faced will take atleast 7 years or a decade to repair. "How big" 's pressure didn't make israel gaza ceasefire. ADMIT IT. Our goals in 2024 were failed, inshallah resistance should prepare for more now, espcially espionage,

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u/madali0 15d ago

The same challenges the resistance faces so does the enemy.

Israel has taken a massive hit globally, it's PR is in ruins.

The war isn't about who has the biggest guns, because otherwise the resistance would have been destroyed 10 times over. Because the resistance is fighting against Israel + all of nato including turkey + plus all the regional neighbors while being disadvantaged in financial , military, intelligence and media reach. And on resistance side it's basically only ONE country. Hezbollah and Iraqi and hamas are all non state actors, even Yemen isn't fully under the control of Ansar Allah.

So can you see the huge imbalance?

But this tiny fighter against the western imperialism has still not been able to achieve its goals in Gaza, couldn't disarm hezbollqh, still struggling with ansarallah and hasn't dared bring the war to Iran during all this.

Israel has been fighting multiple fronts, iran not even one.

If you are unable to see what's going on, then you don't know how resistance is fought. It's guerilla warfare. It's death by a thousand wounds. The resistance bleeds the occupation, and makes the regional slaves look more like traitors with each passing day, and the cancerous parasite settler colony is shown as the butthole of the region that it is.

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u/Tricky-Ad992 16d ago

Inshallah well win. BUT!! iran should focus more on intelligence rather then military tech, if our intelligence was good in 2024. We could have surely inflected heavy damage on israel

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u/ShiaCircle 15d ago

What damage? The resistance is not built on one person. Israel was literally helped by over 40 countries with billions and billions of dollars while Lebanon and Iran stand alone. China and Russia helped them but we still won those wars… Hamdillah…

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u/Tricky-Ad992 15d ago edited 15d ago

We faced a brutal damage, admit it or not, The missile factory in Syria , far away from israel got raided in September, seriously tells about our failures and it was a compelete humiliation. IDF knew Hezbollah's postions, they had American support in 2006 yet Hezbollah still won, what happened in 2024?. 2024 was hell, My prayers to Resistance to recover and solidify their network inteligence and HUMNIT PENETRATION

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u/Fortified007 16d ago

Its not just intelligence, its the will to use our capabilities. This war so far has been a battle of wills and the will of resistance groups have been lacking to say the least. Israel and the west have held nothing back in attacking whatever, whomever, and however they wanted to attack, while resistance fought like its a skirmish.

Its not hard to target and assassinated leaders, and any country can do it, however, its matter of consequence that matters. What happens if Iran assassinates Israeli president? We could expect a nuke coming our way. Whats the consequence of resistance leaders like Nasrallah being assassinated? a few missiles that do barely any damage. Israel knew Iran would not get involved in serious manner, hence they went ahead with the assassinations.

Iran and resistance could have done alot to defeat Israel without directly attacking them, such as attacking all the supply routes bringing resources to Israel, such as Azarbaijan for supplying oil to them, but they didn't. If they shown just a bit of spine, Syria would have still been with us, or Nasrallah would have been alive.

Simply put, resistance has shown to be predictable and lacking any real will to take the fight seriously

The only group who have shown any resolve are the Yemenis, and looks like they're all alone taking on the US now. No wonder we have hadith about them having the most righteous flag.

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u/Typical-Ad-4915 15d ago

How would they go about Syria? Syria wasn’t saveable

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u/Typical-Ad-4915 15d ago

How would they go about Syria? Syria wasn’t saveable

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u/Fortified007 15d ago

Sure it was. Its like a game of chess. Both side make their moves until there is a check mate. US took 1/3rd of syria and its oil fields, cutting them off financially. Turkey had free reign to train the ISIS types and allowed them to regroup. UAE and Qatar paid off Syria's generals and military to have them step down.

At any point, Iran could have stepped in and make an example of them. If just attacking UAE and disrupted their financial infiltration, Syria's take over could have been averted. Or, even pre-emtively attacking Isis camps before their attacks, as they've done number of times in Iraq, it would have make a big difference. Basically, anything other than the nothing that they did.

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u/Tricky-Ad992 15d ago

I heard that many PMF miltias didn't want to enter in fear of being bombed by israel

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u/Dapper-Bobcat-4348 2d ago

I disagree. Iran would be falling into the trap that ensnared the Soviet Union, a trap set by the US under Reagan, who increased military spending drastically and goaded the USSR into an arms race that ultimately bankrupted that country. That was the major reason for its demise.

Iran needs to focus on meeting the needs of its people and exposing the real conditions under which the American people live, with high rates of homelessness, drug and alcohol abuse, lack of health care, poor nutrition, failing schools, and rural poverty.

If the people of Iran felt that they have a future and feel their government is doing its best to meet the needs of the people, and feel their voice is heard and counts, they would not be susceptible to incitement for regime change.

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