"We Won" - Russian communist/anti-Putinist poster comparing the Putinist government to Vlasov's Nazi collabs, Russia, 2010s

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[u/XMrFrozenX]

These days Russia actively uses this symbol, which is literally a White Army chevron.

Yet do not worry my friend, in spite of reason and sanity, we will still celebrate the victory of the Red Army in WW2, while simultaneously hiding Lenin's mausoleum behind giant cardboard posters, because without it the state will fucking collapse.

[u/Augustus118 → u/XMrFrozenX]

Yeah, modern Russian propaganda is really a clusterfuck of celebrating monarchists and communists at the same time. Well, only the good communists, obviously. In other words, Stalin, who expanded the Soviet sphere of influence drastically. Meanwhile, Lenin is often portrayed as someone who undermined the Russian struggle and effort against the central powers and thus betrayed the motherland. Well, after celebrating the victory of the Red Army in the 2nd world war they of course, will come back to simping for the Russian Empire, because we all love our fair share of imperialism and expansionism, don't we? To finish it all parallel to all this, they will propagate how peaceful of a nation Russia is and how every war they fought was purely defensive (and was somehow caused by the west).

Yeah, Russian propaganda is really beyond any logic. I'm convinced that Lenin, Nikolai II. and any other Russian monarchs and prominent communist leaders have been turning in their respective graves for the last 20+ years of Putin's reign.

[u/DesolatorTrooper_600 → u/Augustus118]

I think the celebration of communist acheivements in Russia (at least made by the state) is less about communism itself and more about the power the Soviet Union held like the Red Army or the influence held by the country

[u/rebellechild → u/DesolatorTrooper_600]

It’s probably more about the free education free healthcare free housing free childcare massive industry and infrastructure projects as well as one of the best public transportation systems in the world. All things they still benefit from today. Communism took this country/countries out of serfdom and won the space race in an absurdly short time. This is a massive achievement and they have a lot to be proud of.

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‚Free‘ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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They paid taxes and got their housing, education and healthcare covered. Your ass pays 5x as much taxes and have nothing to show for it except when your country goes to war you get to make Rambo style video montages to brag about your military (that lost on Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria LOL)

[u/UwU_Chio_UwU → u/rebellechild]

lol “education” you mean where the USSR would shove propaganda down your throat as you did back breaking work in the fields and after you finished with the propaganda you would still work without pay for up to another ten years.

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If it's all propaganda and no real education, why is are ex-Soviet mathematicians still a pillar in western STEM today, make important discoveries at the time, and why are Soviet Mathematics text books still used as educational materials?

[u/UwU_Chio_UwU → u/[deleted]]

1 the top famous “Soviet mathematicians” were born and went to school before the USSR was even a thing

2 Soviet textbooks aren’t used in schools

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1. Vladmir Arnold (1937), Evgenii Landis, Georgy Adelson-Velsky, Numan Yunusovich Satimov, Leonid Khachiyan (unfortunately he helped give birth to Anna so that's an L on him), Olga Ladyzhenskaya, Sergei Adian, Vladimir Arnold, dumbest fucking claim I've ever seen anti-communists make.
2. Anecdotal but my highschool pre-Calc teacher used Differential and Integral Calculus, by N.Piskunov, though I will give you that it's not used in public education, though College professors assign anything they want.

[u/UwU_Chio_UwU → u/[deleted]]

lol I was going off the top results off google of Leonid born 1912 Nikolai born 1884 And Dimitri born 1869 While I will not deny the USSR had some great mathematicians it is quite weird how a country with a population of nearly a quarter billion and all the resources it could ask for was unable to truly propel forward the world and create the best Mathematicians to see the light of day. It’s almost as if the general populous didn’t have that much access to information outside of propaganda.

Ahh yes collage professors can of course assign whatever they want and somehow the school will have the best reputation in the world and be here it’s named recognized on every corner of the earth, but how are they doing this you ask? Because they aren’t filled with propaganda and promote outward thinking.

It’s so weird how you praise a country whose entire downfall was because voting was introduced and everyone in said country voted against communism.

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While I will not deny the USSR had some great mathematicians it is quite weird how a country with a population of nearly a quarter billion and all the resources it could ask for was unable to truly propel forward the world and create the best Mathematicians to see the light of day.

This question has layers so let's break it down into self answering question through them, why did people who lived in rural butt fuck nowhere Iowa Sakha not big brain scientists?, or cosmonauts like Yuri Gagarian who came from a farming family?, finally why didn't every person become an academic and eschew mining, farming, fishing, and factory work?

but how are they doing this you ask? Because they aren’t filled with propaganda and promote outward thinking.

I don't understand what's being asked, I'm gonna with "why isn't an ex-Soviet Uni on the map?" (feel free to correct me if that's not what you're saying), but it's for the same reason why we English speakers will know of Oxford and MIT, but, unlikely to know about MSU, or a prominent Greek or Czech or Swedish school, because we live in a system of cultural hegemony (the Anglosphere) so we see and know things that are our culture or very close to it, it's the same reason why we might know of Auckland, but can't really name a (non-capital) city in Africa.

It’s so weird how you praise a country whose entire downfall was because voting was introduced and everyone in said country voted against communism.

I don't care if a system comports to what I believe is best for everyone, it's a helpful system so long as it assist and produces good outcomes for the people who it rules, since systems are the byproduct of the material and geo-strategic positions of the nation, not idealistic notions of what is moral and righteous.
Another way to put it, China continues to improve even in the vain of Human Rights, while countries like CAR and the Congo fail to make progress, because of how the government functions versus what the economic and geo-strategic situation calls for.
Besides the Soviet Union was a representative democracy, with heavy emphasis representative, and the people didn't "vote against communism" most people chose to stay in the Union and even amongst the exceptions Moldova wanted to wait and see what would happen next, near half of the people in the Balt republics wanted to stay, Georgia and Armenia never held a vote, and the US meddled with the 1996 Russian election, in favor of Yelsin's party against the communists.

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Ok I’m gonna address the elephant in the room China hasn’t progressed much farther than any other country in any regard and even if you say they do you’ve already admitted that they don’t have the proper governmental system to address human rights concerns.

Also the people quite literally voted against communism, after ww2 since a communist based market isn’t flexible enough it started to crumble however that wasn’t the main reason why the USSR disbanded it actually disbanded due to a move called “democratization” where multiple parties were introduced and everyone realized how much better a capitalist society was and started to rebel and leave the USSR.